Everything is fine, don't get your panties in a twist. It's a rebirth season and we have done incredible already. Only getting better.
Our form since the restart...WWWWWWWDLWWWWDWDWWWWL…WDWW (also the calm down thread)
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We have a really comfortable lead in the top 4. I’d rotate in the league.
There is no excuse for the second half but it looked like a team suffering mental fatigue to me. We’ve just won three big games in knockout competitions after a really busy fixture list.
This strangely was our least important game by some margin. We have a comfortable gap in the top 4 and just need to get back to business.
ETH is going to have to work on these big away games as we’ve not really been all that competitive. Arsenal, City and Liverpool away have seen had concede 16 goals is it? That’s kind of crazy.
That comfortable lead could dissipate in the space of a week.
Top 4 is 100% the priority now. We cannot be playing Europa League next year.
fully agree
Shit performance and result. It’s so bad I can’t take it seriously.
It shows Liverpool are still a very dangerous team on their day and we aren’t as good as we thought we were.
My biggest concern is goal difference being battered - let’s hope that isn’t crucial by the end of the season - and the way players lost their heads. I really thought we’d made great strides in improving mentality this season. At 3-0 I actually still believed we would mount a comeback and maybe sneak a draw
Were the players naive enough to think they could just rock up to Anfield and the Scouse would just roll over for them?
We got everything wrong today. Players and ten Hag owe fans a massive performance on Thursday.
It shows Liverpool are still a very dangerous team on their day and we aren’t as good as we thought we were.
My biggest concern is goal difference being battered - let’s hope that isn’t crucial by the end of the season - and the way players lost their heads. I really thought we’d made great strides in improving mentality this season. At 3-0 I actually still believed we would mount a comeback and maybe sneak a draw
Were the players naive enough to think they could just rock up to Anfield and the Scouse would just roll over for them? We got everything wrong today. Players and ten Hag owe fans a massive performance on Thursday.
If you are only going to be passionate about football when we win, what is even the point of being a fan in the first place? Winning only feels good if you have to feel how god awful it is to lose on occasion. Yesterday was the worst loss in the PL era.
I expect the same crowd that says "its just 3 points" to have the same animated reaction the day we batter a rival 5-0 at Old Trafford. "Its just 3 points guys, calm down"
I expect the same crowd that says "its just 3 points" to have the same animated reaction the day we batter a rival 5-0 at Old Trafford. "Its just 3 points guys, calm down"
Do all you idiotic stat mongers realise that before yesterday we have been the most in form team in Europe this year?
FFS
FFS
Buddy show me my posts where I've been on ETH's case since day one.
I'll save you some time. You can't. They don't exist. I'm a fan of the guy. Really like him. You're making stuff up.
But I can see what I can see. Not that much has changed. I'm sure he'll get it right but its nowhere near yet.
I don’t really think the majority of negative posts about yesterday are disputing the great run of results and improved performances in recent months. But it’s futile to pretend that yesterday doesn’t really matter. It was as bad as it has ever got in the history of this club. I would say it is the worst because the last time we got beaten this badly was in the 1930s where there were a lot of high-scoring games and 7-0 now is worse than 7-0 then.
But yes, I do agree that we’ve been doing great until yesterday. On the other hand, I can’t say I’m not worried that our good form will be difficult to recapture. Only a few days to wait and find out.
But yes, I do agree that we’ve been doing great until yesterday. On the other hand, I can’t say I’m not worried that our good form will be difficult to recapture. Only a few days to wait and find out.
Maybe I mixed you with someone. Apologies.
But to say not much has changed is simply put wrong.
The result is embarrassing but it can happen in the first season of a new manager. Klopp had a tough first season in the league, Arteta’s first three seasons were really tough in the league and even Guardiola finished third in the league in his first season with a better squad than we have.
Ten Hag worked wonders with a team we all thought was really shit. Nobody expected us to be this close before the season. We won a prize, now make sure we finish top 4 and maybe win another prize with the FA cup or Europa League.
The players looked exhausted in the second half. When you win you get energie and adrenaline, you won’t feel how tired you are. But if everything goes wrong the energy just slips away and everything collapses.
The first half was fine. We let Liverpool play the first 20 minutes and stayed calm. They had around 7 shots but none on goal. After 25 minutes we got better and actually created the better chances, more shots on goal and were more dangerous in our counters. It was a shame they scored just before half time. The second half was total collapse and just ridiculous.
Now re-group and get back to winning again.
Ten Hag worked wonders with a team we all thought was really shit. Nobody expected us to be this close before the season. We won a prize, now make sure we finish top 4 and maybe win another prize with the FA cup or Europa League.
The players looked exhausted in the second half. When you win you get energie and adrenaline, you won’t feel how tired you are. But if everything goes wrong the energy just slips away and everything collapses.
The first half was fine. We let Liverpool play the first 20 minutes and stayed calm. They had around 7 shots but none on goal. After 25 minutes we got better and actually created the better chances, more shots on goal and were more dangerous in our counters. It was a shame they scored just before half time. The second half was total collapse and just ridiculous.
Now re-group and get back to winning again.
But that's also why we have made historical comebacks. Many teams when it's 3-0 down try to mitigate the loss and not concede any more. It was the same on 1-6 vs city. Or the 5-0 vs Newcastle. Even the 8-2 of Barca vs bayern or Brazil vs Germany or Liverpool vs soton or vs Real. Big teams go till the end no matter the cost. It can end with an embarrassing defeat. But not trying like we did last year is even worse. Liverpool had 8 shots on target and 7 of them ended in the net which is mad. But this attitude gives you wins most of the times even though you will get a hammering every now and then.
Having slept on it, I wake up and I am not even angry about the result. It was a freakish result whichever way we look at it, even just on stats alone, Liverpool convert less than 20% of the shots they take, yesterday, what was it, 9 clear chances and 7 goals ? Pretty much everything we gifted them in the second half, they converted. Easy to say now but that game could be played 100 times over and they would never get that many goals.
First half upto the goal I would argue we were just about the better team, having one ruled out for offside and one the Rashford chance. Some of Liverpool's defending was erratic. You had Carragher waxing lyrical about Fred's pressing and how LFC couldn't handle it. One mistake down the right hand side and they score from a decent finish by Gakpo, who upto that point looked a bit overawed by the occasion.
Second half was just a complete collapse with the goals conceded right off the training ground. It was Schoolboy defending from the whole team. Also think some of the players got caught up in the occasion rather than the game?
Maybe there is some mental fatigue in the team, but every thing about this game suggests it's a one off. I don't think any sane Utd or Liverpool fan would have called either team to win by two clear goals or more going into it. Remember this is the same Liverpool team that got absolutely played off the park by arguably a poor Real Madrid side only a few weeks ago. This is the same Utd team that has just knocked Barca out of Europe who sit above that Real Madrid side in La Liga.
It will be interesting to see ETH next few team selections going into the International break
First half upto the goal I would argue we were just about the better team, having one ruled out for offside and one the Rashford chance. Some of Liverpool's defending was erratic. You had Carragher waxing lyrical about Fred's pressing and how LFC couldn't handle it. One mistake down the right hand side and they score from a decent finish by Gakpo, who upto that point looked a bit overawed by the occasion.
Second half was just a complete collapse with the goals conceded right off the training ground. It was Schoolboy defending from the whole team. Also think some of the players got caught up in the occasion rather than the game?
Maybe there is some mental fatigue in the team, but every thing about this game suggests it's a one off. I don't think any sane Utd or Liverpool fan would have called either team to win by two clear goals or more going into it. Remember this is the same Liverpool team that got absolutely played off the park by arguably a poor Real Madrid side only a few weeks ago. This is the same Utd team that has just knocked Barca out of Europe who sit above that Real Madrid side in La Liga.
It will be interesting to see ETH next few team selections going into the International break
It's the manner in which the game went. They gave up, this side has never given up. Fatigue maybe played a factor. I had a feeling we would lose, not like that though.
1 thing from this squad is they respond , and it's needed on Thursday. And Sunday in league . Top 4 is still very much in our hands . Top players need a reset and go again.
1 thing from this squad is they respond , and it's needed on Thursday. And Sunday in league . Top 4 is still very much in our hands . Top players need a reset and go again.
That alone is a big difference - plus they were just insanely lucky with many of their goals. We were crap but it could easily have been 3-4 to nil.
It completely depends on how we respond and where we end up at the end of the season. An isolated battering in an otherwise very good season ultimately doesn't really matter much. I am honestly not that worried about our form after this, I think ETH and the team have shown this season that they can overcome setbacks.
It's obvious that people are not complaining about us losing the game, but the manner in which we lost. No fan wants their team to be humiliated by our closest rival, when we have been doing better than them this season.
Yes, it's only one game, but it's more than reasonable to be concerned based on what we saw yesterday, and what it will mean for the confidence of the team. It's a real wake-up for both ETH and the fans.
Yes, it's only one game, but it's more than reasonable to be concerned based on what we saw yesterday, and what it will mean for the confidence of the team. It's a real wake-up for both ETH and the fans.
I hope that the saying “you’re only as good as your last game” doesn’t hold much water
ye do realise that the scousers are reading all the 'i'm so pissed off' comments and breaking their holes laughing at you, right? they've all finished taking their morning heroin and reading all your salty comments before they head out and rob supermarkets for the day.
ye shouldn't be giving them the satisfaction.
ye shouldn't be giving them the satisfaction.
Losing to Saudi Arabia is enough humiliation for Argentina; it doesn't need to be a hammering. One team is full of highly paid professionals and the other are pretty much amateur level.
It is pretty much as bad as it gets.
I would say losing to a conference/league 2 side is worse than being thrashed 7-0 by Liverpool.
The third goal was the killer. Despite the ridiculous 2nd goal I think we still felt confident we could get back into it and we were on the attack with everyone forward pushing
Getting caught like that so quickly for the 3rd just saw us completely lose our minds and desperation set in
What followed was a shambles and keane was right in that you need your senior players in times like that to settle everyone down. It's disappointing that Bruno, Varane, Casemiro all fell into the same traps
I'm not massively concerned going forward but gutted it was that mob and why did it have to be 7 ffs just shut up shop at 4, take your medicine and get the feck out of there
7-0 ffs guys
Getting caught like that so quickly for the 3rd just saw us completely lose our minds and desperation set in
What followed was a shambles and keane was right in that you need your senior players in times like that to settle everyone down. It's disappointing that Bruno, Varane, Casemiro all fell into the same traps
I'm not massively concerned going forward but gutted it was that mob and why did it have to be 7 ffs just shut up shop at 4, take your medicine and get the feck out of there
7-0 ffs guys
This thread would make sense if we’d lost 1-0. It’s the second half that needs explaining, how do you ship 6 goals in one half? That’s definitely cause for concern, and Ten Hag will have to make sure it doesn’t bleed into future results.
A lot of people don't understand that results against smaller sides are far more important than against the big teams. In the end, they make up the majority.
Our major issue in seasons since Ferguson retired has been failing to take sufficient points against the lower opposition. We seem to be very good at it in this one, though, which is a massive improvement. Some people won't accept that as improvement and just look at the 'big games'.
Our points haul against the top teams hasn't even been bad. 13 points out of 24 is decent.
Our major issue in seasons since Ferguson retired has been failing to take sufficient points against the lower opposition. We seem to be very good at it in this one, though, which is a massive improvement. Some people won't accept that as improvement and just look at the 'big games'.
Our points haul against the top teams hasn't even been bad. 13 points out of 24 is decent.
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Its a shit feeling losing 7-0 to your biggest rivals. These things shouldn't happen.
In the past decade, we've been battered, when we all felt the club was going nowhere. Yesterday we got battered, but it doenst change the fact that we are headed in the right direction.
I trust the manager to make sure nothing close to this happens again.
In the past decade, we've been battered, when we all felt the club was going nowhere. Yesterday we got battered, but it doenst change the fact that we are headed in the right direction.
I trust the manager to make sure nothing close to this happens again.
I expected a bad result, obviously not that bad, but a loss. Not a tragedy if you'd ask me, it was obviously an accident.
Did you watch the game? At least 3 of the goals were one-in-a-million flukes - they only had 8 shots and 7 were goals! Our first half performance was fine and we were very unlucky to go in at half time 1-0 down. We have played so many games this season that in a sense it was no surprise to see the wheels come off at some point. The challenge now is to pick things up and move forward.
It's odd to read you being so desperate to stick the boot in on ETH after a few months in charge given that you were still preaching 'patience' with OGS after 2 and a half years of mediocrity.
Simple response to all of this....ask a Liverpool fan if they'd swap our seasons to-date. The honest one's would say 'yes'.
I don't know about anybody else on here, but if somebody said to me before the season started that "you'll get top 4 comfortably, win the EFL and compete solidly for the other 2 trophies - the only downside is that in one of the league games you'll lose 7-0 at Anfield", I'm fairly sure I would have accepted that.
Every season has highs and lows. We've been on a crescendo for a while now and were bound to have a dip, especially given that this squad is not massively different from last year's.
Let's just hope EtH screws their heads back on properly and they're ready to go quickly and effectively against Betis.
Every season has highs and lows. We've been on a crescendo for a while now and were bound to have a dip, especially given that this squad is not massively different from last year's.
Let's just hope EtH screws their heads back on properly and they're ready to go quickly and effectively against Betis.
Not anywhere have I mentioned ETH in any thread after this game. I do what I usually do when things go bad, I put all the fault on the players. They are the ones on the pitch executing the managers plan, not the guy in the suit.
I watched Dalot try to stop the ball from going in the net... standing inside the net. I watched Bruno act like a frustrated teenager not fit to wear the captains armband on the day. Antony had his worst performance, probably in his entire career.
Following football for me isnt interesting if we are simply going to ignore results like yesterday only to start caring hard when we suddenly win again. The two are not mutually exclusive. You can have the appropriate outrage for the shameful display yesterday, while at the same time being happy about what has happened before yesterday, and hopeful for the rest of the season. No one are getting a pass for yesterday though. Inexclusable.
Was writing my post below just as this was uploaded. Completely and wholeheartedly agree, and basically the same sentiment as mine.
I think we were due a humbling a some point. I honestly think once Liverpool scored the first, the players just shut down mentally. Even in the great run we've had post world cup, I do think there have been signs of vulnerability in this United side, whether that be mental or technical.
However, this is part of the process. Ten Hag ideas are far from being fulfilled and this team is still so early in their development cycle. There's still so many players that will either leave or become fringe players to fit players who better fit Ten Hag's ideas.
So considering we've 3rd in the table, won the EFL cup and still in two other cup competitions is a validation for us as fans to believe Ten Hag is the right man to bring us back to winning ways but also that the squad is far from being competitive at the elite level under him. Hopefully once the Glazer sale is finalized, we can focus on bringing in the right players and keep growing next season.
However, this is part of the process. Ten Hag ideas are far from being fulfilled and this team is still so early in their development cycle. There's still so many players that will either leave or become fringe players to fit players who better fit Ten Hag's ideas.
So considering we've 3rd in the table, won the EFL cup and still in two other cup competitions is a validation for us as fans to believe Ten Hag is the right man to bring us back to winning ways but also that the squad is far from being competitive at the elite level under him. Hopefully once the Glazer sale is finalized, we can focus on bringing in the right players and keep growing next season.
Slept on it and im still spitting acid. Our joint worst loss in our entire history...against our biggest rivals.
If this galvanizes us then great, but if it begins the fall then perhaps these players cannot be redeemed from the past few seasons
If this galvanizes us then great, but if it begins the fall then perhaps these players cannot be redeemed from the past few seasons
They only had 8 shots on goal but 18 in total.
Also, the user you responded never addressed Ten Hag and all his posts were clearly aimed at the players.
I agree it isn't a disaster on the greater scheme of things
But it can't be underplayed that we've lost 7-0 to Liverpool. Even Gillingham or Scunthorpe would have struggled to lose 7-0 to Liverpool. It's an absolute trouncing.
I'd want to see United going on a winning streak in response to that. It needs to light a fire.
But it can't be underplayed that we've lost 7-0 to Liverpool. Even Gillingham or Scunthorpe would have struggled to lose 7-0 to Liverpool. It's an absolute trouncing.
I'd want to see United going on a winning streak in response to that. It needs to light a fire.
Doubtful, they’ve smashed us 7-0, look likely to get top four anyway and the carling cup is being made out to be some big trophy that it’s not. It’s good for us to have won to end a drought and get some silverware but it’s still just a second rate trophy.
So trick question would you rather win the league or finish 3rd and get the three cups. I would rather win the league but I understand that others may have different opinion and would rather get the cups.
Not to be rude to you as I know you are trying to be positive which I love.
The day after a 7-0 loss to Liverpool is literally as much of a time to "get your panties in a twist" as could possibly happen as a Man Utd fan.
We have had an excellent season compared to what was expected and yes ultimately we will be fine and Ten Hag is the man to get us there but any drastic opinions you hear today are totally fair.
We weren't in for the title given our first two games and a whole host of other factors (our gruelling schedule, the Queen dying, Casemiro missing key games etc etc) so I'm not that bothered. A comfortable 3rd place finish is excellent progress given where we were last season.
3 cups in EtH's debut season? That'd be an excellent return and the perfect springboard for next season.
We've played 21 games since the World Cup finished, winning 16, drawing 3 and losing 2.
We're in third place and just won the League cup.
Every game has it's own story and that was yesterday's FREAK RESULT story.
ETH and his helpers have to now work on the mentality of our players as they crumbled after the second goal.
We move on to the next game.
We're in third place and just won the League cup.
Every game has it's own story and that was yesterday's FREAK RESULT story.
ETH and his helpers have to now work on the mentality of our players as they crumbled after the second goal.
We move on to the next game.