Other Wingers?

prtk0811 said:
I'd love maharez , but feel we will still need a work horse winger who's decent for balance.
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Surely we should be after the opposite? We lack a luxury player who can give you that moment of magic at any time in the game. Martial is closest, but not consistent enough. Mahrez, in my opinion, would give us that. We have Lingard and Rashford to give us balance.
 
ottosec said:
Mahrez is a talented player, but I don't think he's hard working enough for Mourinho's taste. Also, maybe I'm wrong, but we seem to be after a left winger?
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We do, strangely enough, especially if Jose is looking to play a 4231, with Mkhitaryan down the middle.

Left wing:

Rashford
Martial

Attacking midfield:

Mkhitaryan
Mata

Right wing:

New Winger
Lingard
 
Anyone know anything about Gelson Martins?

I saw LPool linked with him a few weeks ago but seems quiet.
 
There are good to excellent wingers \ wide forwards available, we have some ourselves, key to any of these players advancing in a more attacking way and chipping in with more goals is giving them more freedom by signing a top defensive midfielder so they don't have to track back half the length of the pitch if they feel confident they have the security behind them, seeing the likes of Mhiki and Martial in our own corner flag time after time trying to defend is not great viewing, it's not where they should be operating most of the time, no probs defending a lead late on everyone should chip in, but not as a default.
 
Kostur said:
A position he seems to never have played?

Where does this 'good work rate/defensive contribution' stuff come from, apart from Mourinho apparently looking for a 'defensive winger'?
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Niether Victor Moses or Alonso or ox played there before conte and Wenger put them there. Surely he'll be a good fit as a left wingback too as well as winger.

Good work rate, defensive contribution comes from the fact that its always important to double up on wingers and overlapping full backs which is a important area when it comes to big games and the fact that mourinho focussed on counter attacks hence plays much more direct and vertical against possession based total football sides who have so much space in behind so then the work rate comes in handy for offensive transition as well as being positionally astute defensively.

Kinda like when lingard made a last ditch tackle in city preseason game.
 
Walters_19_MuFc said:
Surely we should be after the opposite? We lack a luxury player who can give you that moment of magic at any time in the game. Martial is closest, but not consistent enough. Mahrez, in my opinion, would give us that. We have Lingard and Rashford to give us balance.
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I meant we need both ideally as lingard is not good in attacking third and in the box and Mata is too slow to be a winger . We need more options who is more complete than what we have.

And perisic on opposite side for balance.
 
reddevilz007 said:
Marco Asensio is the latest being linked to us, and arsenal
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We only had a chance there before he was signed by Madrid. Would have been a fantastic signing. It's too late, there's no chance Madrid are going to sell, they know what they have with him.

Walters_19_MuFc said:
It seems that Perisic is our only wing option. I say this because Mourinho said we may have to settle with three players instead of four, and I feel Jose is in need of another midfielder more than a winger.

Winger options:

Dembele
Insigne
Mertens
Coman
Bale (if Madrid get Mbappe)
Di Maria
Lucas
Carrasco
Lemar
Mahrez

Surely we could get one of these, as it seems Inter aren't willing to budge on Perisic.

Personally, I would get Mahrez.

Granted he didn't have the greatest of seasons last season, he is still a top player.

Not your typical Jose winger, i.e. quick, strong, hard working, but he's still very effective on the counter. He was fantastic the season Leicester won the league, who played on the counter. Give him room and he's deadly. Think he'd do a great job at United. Really don't know why we're not looking at him.

4231

Lukaku
Rashford Mkhitaryan Mahrez
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If I'm not mistaken, Monaco have slapped quite a huge price tag on Lemar. I would like us to get him regardless, but I don't think it's realistic this summer. Lucas could be our best bet from that list.

giorno said:
I don't get it btw. If United have the money, and Mou really wants Perisic, why haggle? Sure inter's price might be high for the player, but it's still £50M. Peanuts for united in this market. Just pay it and get it over with.

Only reason i can make sense of united unwillingness to pay that fee is they're looking at other options
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Yeah, that's exactly the reasoning why I don't think we are as interested as it has been reported. There's really no point in haggling any longer. Either we pay up or we don't. It wouldn't be buying for the sake of buying, if he is truly that important to Mourinho and considering the fees that are being paid, I don't think United would set a precedent that would backfire in the future.
 
tomaldinho1 said:
Similar to a Nani type player? I know F all about him but he looks very direct + Arsenal apparently now readying a large bid for him
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No 17 year old Ronaldo or that forgotten ex arsenal ex Roma forward who's name I forgot, but still the one who's very raw and makes bad decisions in important moments.
 
bucky said:
We only had a chance there before he was signed by Madrid. Would have been a fantastic signing. It's too late, there's no chance Madrid are going to sell, they know what they have with him.
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Now has a 500m euros release clause.
 
VanGaalyTime said:
There are so many out there that have strong potential. For example (and just mainly to introduce a new name to many of you), Niclas Eliasson. This is a guy who is making waves in Sweden. He's 21, plays left wing, is two footed and would be available for about 5-10m. 7 assists from 9 appearance at left wing. I know it's the Swedish league, but he looks a find to me.
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Looks like a real talent. Will be interesting to see if he progress the right way.
 
bucky said:
If I'm not mistaken, Monaco have slapped quite a huge price tag on Lemar. I would like us to get him regardless, but I don't think it's realistic this summer. Lucas could be our best bet from that list.
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Wouldn't be the name on everyone's lips, but he could really suit the counter attack style Mourinho is implementing. With Lukaku deadly in and around the penalty area, and Lucas liking to keep the width and whip crosses in, it could prove to be a good signing.
 
Walters_19_MuFc said:
Wouldn't be the name on everyone's lips, but he could really suit the counter attack style Mourinho is implementing. With Lukaku deadly in and around the penalty area, and Lucas liking to keep the width and whip crosses in, it could prove to be a good signing.
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To be presice what is mourinho implemanting is not totally clear at this moment. We seem to be changing our play style and ball circulation style according to opponents we are facing.
 
Acquire Me said:
Looks like a real talent. Will be interesting to see if he progress the right way.
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Thanks for the reply! Yeah, this is sort of what I mean when I tell people there are so many out there. Surely this guy would be better as a squad option that Ashley Young for our left-back, left-wing area? 21 and he's probably available for less than 5m.
 
Walters_19_MuFc said:
Wouldn't be the name on everyone's lips, but he could really suit the counter attack style Mourinho is implementing. With Lukaku deadly in and around the penalty area, and Lucas liking to keep the width and whip crosses in, it could prove to be a good signing.
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He's also willing to work relatively hard defensively.
 
prtk0811 said:
I still feel disappointed we dint go all out after sadio mane.
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i got ripped last season for saying Mane was a better signing then Mkhitaryan.... think last season defiantly proved me right.

on which winger we should buy? honesty think we need to leave it be for this summer winger wise, their are no decent ones on the market we will just spent an insane about of money on a player who isn't really better then what we already have.
 
Nytram Shakes said:
i got ripped last season for saying Mane was a better signing then Mkhitaryan.... think last season defiantly proved me right.

on which winger we should buy? honesty think we need to leave it be for this summer winger wise, their are no decent ones on the market we will just spent an insane about of money on a player who isn't really better then what we already have.
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Very different players though to be fair, Mkhi is awesome at 10 but mediocre out wide IMO + Mane vice versa.

I agree on the second point though - I would like us to get a RW with pace though, even it is someone for the future rather than now. Bertrand Traore at Ajax is meant to have good potential (appreciate the last starlet we signed from the Eredivisie wasn't all that though)
 
If (big if) we are going to sign a top attacking player. Who would you prefer between Bale, Sanchez and Griezmann?
 
bucky said:
He's also willing to work relatively hard defensively.
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Ye. We were linked with him a few months back.

tomaldinho1 said:
Very different players though to be fair, Mkhi is awesome at 10 but mediocre out wide IMO + Mane vice versa.

I agree on the second point though - I would like us to get a RW with pace though, even it is someone for the future rather than now. Bertrand Traore at Ajax is meant to have good potential (appreciate the last starlet we signed from the Eredivisie wasn't all that though)
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Don't agree.

Mane is awesome at both. Destroyed City, Chelsea and Liveprool as a CAM, and has done the same on the wing.

Mkhi, on the other hand, can be good as a 10, but doesn't show it enough. As a winger, it hasn't seemed to happen for him.
 
Fer said:
If (big if) we are going to sign a top attacking player. Who would you prefer between Bale, Sanchez and Griezmann?
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Sanchez

Griezmann is a goalscorer, but won't dribble past 3/4 players and score you a goal like Sanchez would.

Bale is too injury prone, unfortunately, otherwise he would be my first choice.
 
Walters_19_MuFc said:
Ye. We were linked with him a few months back.



Don't agree.

Mane is awesome at both. Destroyed City, Chelsea and Liveprool as a CAM, and has done the same on the wing.

Mkhi, on the other hand, can be good as a 10, but doesn't show it enough. As a winger, it hasn't seemed to happen for him.
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Are you talking about his time at Soton re mentioning Liverpool? Confused.

I don't remember those games well enough to know where he started, although I would assume it was wide right and he rotated with the front three.

I've never seen him start and stick to CAM but could be wrong - Whoscored also backs this up, he started all PL games as AMR according to them.
 
tomaldinho1 said:
Are you talking about his time at Soton re mentioning Liverpool? Confused.

I don't remember those games well enough to know where he started, although I would assume it was wide right and he rotated with the front three.

I've never seen him start and stick to CAM but could be wrong - Whoscored also backs this up, he started all PL games as AMR according to them.
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Yes. He hasn't played as a CAM for Liverpool.

He definitely started as a CAM for Soton' under Koeman before.
 
prtk0811 said:
He brings Balance with work rate width and defensive contribution as well as a good wingback fit for 352 system
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This 3-5-2 thing really needs to stop especially seeing as Perisic has NEVER played that role and keeps getting mentioned to do the job for us because he's a "workhorse" winger rather than a stardust winger, we are clearly going to play 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3 which are the formations we're best suited for tactically and player performance wise.
 
davidmichael said:
This 3-5-2 thing really needs to stop especiall y seeing as Perisic has NEVER played that role and keeps getting mentioned to do the job for us because he's a "workhorse" winger rather than a stardust winger, we are clearly going to play 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3 which are the formations we're best suited for tactically and player performance wise.
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The 352 thing will not stop. Conte has won the title with a wing back system to the EPL successfully and were incredibly hard to beat and wenger had copied that model as well which improved arsenal in late stages where we also lost to them because of the lack of balance in the system that day. Clearly Mkh and mata were struggling to have any impact vs arsenal from wide areas. Perisic has never played wing back but he has all the attributes to play that role. same like victor moses never played wingback before conte put him there.

Against certain systems and philosophies you need to find a better balance in your system and the team to match that balance and outperform the other team because the other team always have an competitve advantage on the pitch if the quality between the two teams are more or less the same and the balance is in the favour of the opposition team.

In certain games against certain teams its a very effective system which helps in Defensive control in wide areas and dominate the packed midfeild in the midfeild 3 , it does not mean that it will the the teams main system.

Also for the majority of last season we also played a 4141 system with two wide wingers so there also perisic fits the system. We are a very flexible team and can play different systems according to the need and various systems other teams play in the epl and in europe.
 
Fer said:
If (big if) we are going to sign a top attacking player. Who would you prefer between Bale, Sanchez and Griezmann?
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Bale. Injuries are a doubt but ignoring that he is the type of player we need out of those 3. Then Sanchez then Griezmann in that order.
 
There are many good wingers out there, but it looks to me that we are looking for a classical winger, that can stay wide and cross and there are not many of those around.
 
Saw Gelson Martins in some Portugal match not too long ago and I was impressed, ridiculous pace and very decent trickery.

@Sly , @Peyroteo - could he cut the mustard at United and improve his decision making?
 
SwansonsTache said:
Saw Gelson Martins in some Portugal match not too long ago and I was impressed, ridiculous pace and very decent trickery.

@Sly , @Peyroteo - could he cut the mustard at United and improve his decision making?
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He's like 17 year old Cristiano Ronaldo or gervinho but makes bad decisions and is still very raw.
 
Walters_19_MuFc said:
Surely we should be after the opposite? We lack a luxury player who can give you that moment of magic at any time in the game. Martial is closest, but not consistent enough. Mahrez, in my opinion, would give us that. We have Lingard and Rashford to give us balance.
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I personally wonder if Mahrez isn't a one season wonder. Obviously this coming season will tell us all about his real level as Leicester being truly shit can explain his poor performances.
I honestly don't think he can make the step up. Leicester fans berate him because he is so lazy off the ball, Mourinho will probably never consider him just for that.
 
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