Onana has not worked out. We need a new keeper.

RedRocket9908 said:
What is wumning about that post, everything is correct?

The 2 Galatasaray players werent in the wall as they arnt legally allowed in the wall and were in fact illegally positioned as they have to be at least a metre from the wall and wernt.

The fact is the players in the wall should not have left a gap like that.

The fact that Onana has made more saves than any other keeper in the Premier League bar 1 tells you all you need to know about our defence's inability to actually defend.
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The goalkeeper sets the wall. Full stop. Not the manager, not the defenders, ref or the opposition players. The goalkeeper. Two Galatasaray players inside the wall should've been obvious to him as a major problem.

Plus opposition players inside the wall do one thing. Make a big gap by moving away. How is he not ready to at least dive if that happened? Were the defenders supposed to hold their hands and stop them moving?

And to say that Martial made an attempt for the ball and so it makes sense that Onana chucked the ball into the net is just laughable. I gave you the benefit of the doubt and assumed you were just trolling, but I guess you really believe this stuff.
 
Maybe move him into defence or midfield and put Maguire in goal his enormous head can block most shots
 
PoTMS said:
Where's the stats to back up he's been good with his feet at United? His distribution - at least from the eye test - has been average if not awful. Just when you think you can't get a worse signing that Antony or Sancho, this guy turns up.
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To be fair there was one example last night where he sold the presser a shoulder then went the other way and produced a Scholes-type pass to the other wing. Right on the money

aside from that he was shit all round
 
gajender said:
Controversial opinion he will be fine long term may not look like it at the moment but he will get his bearing right soon enough .
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Disagree. I feel like the mistakes he makes are because he massively lacks concentration and has poor decision making.

De Gea for example, I would put down as brain farts but I feel like unfortunately in Onana’s case it’s just part of his game.

I could be wrong though, I never saw him play for Ajax or Inter so I’m making judgements based on one of the worst starts I’ve seen from a goalkeeper at a new club.
 
golden_blunder said:
To be fair there was one example last night where he sold the presser a shoulder then went the other way and produced a Scholes-type pass to the other wing. Right on the money

aside from that he was shit all round
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His passing generally gets better the further away from our goal he is.
 
All the DDG fans out there:

Goalkeeper with Most Clean Sheets in EPL this season:

Andre Onana
 
samlee86 said:
All the DDG fans out there:

Goalkeeper with Most Clean Sheets in EPL this season:

Andre Onana
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Yes but we work our asses off every year to get top 4 (as a title challenge is not realistic yet) and then he goes and blows the CL group for us so its not great really, regardless of what he has done in the league (in which the primary focus again is to get CL for next year)
 
samlee86 said:
All the DDG fans out there:

Goalkeeper with Most Clean Sheets in EPL this season:

Andre Onana*
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*and Nick Pope and Sam Johnstone.

EDIT - as an aside David Raya would probably have more, or at least the same as Onana (who has 5) as he has 4 and Ramsdale has 2.
 
Wednesday at Stoke said:
I can’t even understand what he was doing for the second goal. I half wished Martial had got a touch on it to make it an own goal because, the alternative is simply too bizarre to contemplate. It looks like he’s scooping the ball into his own goal.

Only explanation I can come up with is that he’s in deep debt and being forced to throw champions league games by the mob.
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Don't start with any conspiracy theories. The flat earth mob will jump all over it.
 
Woodzy said:
Disagree. I feel like the mistakes he makes are because he massively lacks concentration and has poor decision making.

De Gea for example, I would put down as brain farts but I feel like unfortunately in Onana’s case it’s just part of his game.

I could be wrong though, I never saw him play for Ajax or Inter so I’m making judgements based on one of the worst starts I’ve seen from a goalkeeper at a new club.
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It's worse than that. I think he's fundamentally a poor keeper. His shot stopping technique is shocking.
 
Last season De Gea conceeded 19 goals in his first 13 league games, this season Onana has conceeded only 16 in his first 13 league games.

Onana also has 5 clean sheets from his first 13 league games which is the same as De Gea last season and only one less than we got in the first 13 games of De Geas first season.
 
RedRocket9908 said:
Last season De Gea conceeded 19 goals in his first 13 league games, this season Onana has conceeded only 16 in his first 13 league games.

Onana also has 5 clean sheets from his first 13 league games which is the same as De Gea last season and only one less than we got in the first 13 games of De Geas first season.
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Your point being?
 
RedRocket9908 said:
The point being despite people are calling Onana useless and saying we should have kept De Gea Onana is actually performing better than De Gea did over the same number of games last season.
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So Onana is useless and worst version of De Gea was not worth keeping. Good to know.
 
RedRocket9908 said:
No Onana isnt useless and this agenda against him that seems to have been going on all season is ridiculous
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It's the Caf mate, where people only go to childish extremes and common sense isn't allowed.

He just had a great year with Inter with brilliant CL campaign, but we are to ignore all that and just say he is useless, a clown, an amateur, worst signing ever and all the other greatest hits from the clown fiesta camp.

Instead of saying, ok, he had lots of terrible games, but he showed before that he is a great keeper with great passing range, just started his United career so let's wait a bit and see how he gets on in the long run. But no, Caf would sell and buy players based on game by game metrics, the new generation of fans that thinks real life is a FIFA video game. :wenger:
 
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RedRocket9908 said:
On the first one he couldnt have known that the wall would open up a huge gap for Ziyech to shoot through so what was he supoosed to do, if the wall did its job that goal is never scored therefore the wall is at least equally at fault if not fully.

On the 2nd one Martial put him off by flicking his head like he was going to head it clear but didnt actually jump, that should have been an eaay headed clearance by Martial so he is at fault there and also why was it Martial in there anyway.

On the 3rd goal the entire back 4 went missing and left poir Kobbie Mainoo to have to try to defend it on his own.

Im sure if you go back and look through the mistakes Onana has made the majority will be shots that he only had to face because the defense didnt do there jobs right in the first place, any keeper would struggle with a back 4 that goes missing and doesnt do its job properly.
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OK.. he's misunderstood genius..
 
RedRocket9908 said:
No Onana isnt useless and this agenda against him that seems to have been going on all season is ridiculous
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Agenda is one of the most easily thrown words on this forum. His performances in CL has directly affected our performance in CL. He has made a mess. And he is getting rightly criticized. Many appreciated him when he went to the media after his blunders cost us the match. But he kept repeating the same ones. Most of them basic goalkeeping mistakes.

Him being slightly better than the worst version of De Gea is hardly encouraging. He is not a youth player who is expected to come good in a year or two. He is expected to perform now and he is failing at it.
 
RedRocket9908 said:
On the first one he couldnt have known that the wall would open up a huge gap for Ziyech to shoot through so what was he supoosed to do, if the wall did its job that goal is never scored therefore the wall is at least equally at fault if not fully.

On the 2nd one Martial put him off by flicking his head like he was going to head it clear but didnt actually jump, that should have been an eaay headed clearance by Martial so he is at fault there and also why was it Martial in there anyway.

On the 3rd goal the entire back 4 went missing and left poir Kobbie Mainoo to have to try to defend it on his own.

Im sure if you go back and look through the mistakes Onana has made the majority will be shots that he only had to face because the defense didnt do there jobs right in the first place, any keeper would struggle with a back 4 that goes missing and doesnt do its job properly.
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The GK sets up his wall, if he saw 2 Galata players in there he should have screamed at our players to extend the wall or at the referee that it is not allowed anymore to infiltrate a wall.
His job was to protect his side of the goal, which he didn't.

The second goal was comical, the ball went straight at him and he managed to deflect it into the net with his hand.

3rd goal wasn't a mistake.

I'm sure that Leroy Sane's power shot from Munich was impossible to stop also or the pass which lead to the goal VS Galata at home, or the goal VS Brentford.
He did 1 heroic by saving the pen against Coppenhagen and about 5 dreadful mistakes so for me he is at -4.

The guy oozes calamity, even when he saves something, I don't know but his goalkeeping style just doesn't feel right.
 
His technique is obviously unusual but I'm not sure that's the issue. Ajax apparently offer their young keepers coaching in that style because they did tests and he could dive quicker that way. I think he's just average and the fact we face so many shots in every game highlights it more often.
 
mu4c_20le said:
That stats look much better when cherrypicked. Their PSxG in the league were similar, but De Gea never conceded 14 goals in 5 CL games. That's the difference.
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De Gea had a defence and midfield in front of him though and Onana is pretty much playing without one thats the difference, in 2020/21 De Gea with a defence and midfield in front of him managed to let in 10 goals as we were knocked out in the group stage.
 
RedRocket9908 said:
De Gea had a defence and midfield in front of him though and Onana is pretty much playing without one thats the difference, in 2020/21 De Gea with a defence and midfield in front of him managed to let in 10 goals as we were knocked out in the group stage.
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And the 6 players in front of Onana are foosball figures.

Edit: 6 out of Maguire, Lindelof, Varane, AWB, Reguilon, Shaw, Dalot, Casemiro, Eriksen, McT, Amrabat, Mainoo?
 
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IRN-BRUno said:
His technique is obviously unusual but I'm not sure that's the issue. Ajax apparently offer their young keepers coaching in that style because they did tests and he could dive quicker that way. I think he's just average and the fact we face so many shots in every game highlights it more often.
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This is correct. He has been carried hard by having great defences in front of him despite being shocking fundamentally. In united he's facing shots more often which has exposed him.

Shocking signing
 
gaffs said:
Jury out? Not even been given a chance.

Ten Hag didnt give him a go in the League Cup. He is scared that if Bayindir looks good, they he has another big money lemon sitting on his bench.
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I say that because the fans at his last club weren’t exactly praising him. So until we see him play the jury is out.
 
Lads, please stop comparing DDG's first season to Onana's first season. This is ridiculous. Onana is 27, should be two steps away from being the finished article.
 
RedRocket9908 said:
De Gea had a defence and midfield in front of him though and Onana is pretty much playing without one thats the difference, in 2020/21 De Gea with a defence and midfield in front of him managed to let in 10 goals as we were knocked out in the group stage.
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You know 2 of the 10 conceded goals belongs to Henderson, right?

I am wondering whether you're truly Man United fan now. Because it's easy to recall that game and Henderson appearance. After all, that result against the inexperienced weakest in the group team with already 2 defeat was the key to us crashing out of CL after winning the first two 2 games.

Edit: 8 from De Gea included: an unfortunate own goal by Martial from a corner kick; 6 shots inside the box when opposition were all unmarked. You can blamed DDG for not making himself big against Neymar and Justin Kluivert goals, or not be able to "properly" save the well taken free kick consolation goal because he saw it late; but those are nowhere comparable to the howler like Bayern first goal, and 2 freekicks.
 
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RedRocket9908 said:
The point being despite people are calling Onana useless and saying we should have kept De Gea Onana is actually performing better than De Gea did over the same number of games last season.
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These kind of stats mean nothing.

Clean sheet records are just as much about the outfield team as they are the goalkeeper - perhaps even more so.

Onana has made so many howlers already.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
That's a new one. Manager too scared to play a player, in case he's good.
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Any other manager would have at least seen what Bayindir could do by giving him some game time, especially in light of the AFCON coming up.

But Ten Hag is personally invested in Onana doing well, given he chose to go back and signing another one of his old boys.

Look back at what Fergie did to Jim Leighton. Poor FA Cup final in 90 and dropped him. Leighton's mistakes were arguably far less than Onana's. And remember, Fergie signed Leighton from Aberdeen, so there is a parallel there.

Ten Hag won't do that because of the fact he has signed so many duds, as well as alienating and excluding others, he needs Onana to come good.
 
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