Onana has not worked out. We need a new keeper.

Something seriously wrong with our scouting.

We spend big money and get a pile of shit. Liverpool spend the same and get Alisson.
 
Is Onana going to be most expensive Goal keeper ever? CL group stage is a lot of money and he singlehandedly ruined our chance, well not exactly but close.
At least 4 goals and 1 redcard were his faults. If we had drawn GS at home we would've had fat chance to advance still.
United scored 12 goals in group , 5th in the whole competition yet we last place. ffs
 
Seriously, Onana need to be dropped and only return when his form improve. What happened to the ETH that stripped Maguire captaincy and benched him. Kicked Ronaldo out of the club. Forced Sancho to train solo. Made the team run 21km.

As of now, Onana, Antony and Rashford keeps getting game even though their performance are embarrassing.

At least try Bayindir?
 
We need to buy a decent backup. One that will keep him on his toes.

It's a huge problem that Bayindir is our backup too. His error-rate will be bigger than current Onana, so we're lost for options.
 
Everyone with eyes knew what we were getting into when we bought this guy, same with Mount.

The only exception to this is ETH and United’s crap scouting department.
 
What I wouldn't give to have someone as reliable as Edwin Van Der Sar right now. Not this fraud who was heralded as the coming of Christ due to his outstanding footwork and passing ability.

They forgot to mention he was as stiff as a board and couldn't save basic shots on a regular basis.

As previous posters said, DDG needed to be replaced but the fact that we signed this clown is all on Ten Hag, if he lasts the season without the sack he should never have a say in future transfers.
 
gajender said:
Get real don't be so fecking naive and gullible had there been any contract signed by De Gea, he would have sued United and won and rightly so .
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A contract is only valid when all involved sign it. If de Gea had signed it before the CEO (or whoever at United does this for player contracts) did, there is nothing he could sue United about.
 
I'm really not sure why people keep blaming this one on "scouting". Onana was not this bad at shot stopping at Inter. He was, in fact, statistically one of the best shot stoppers in the Champions League last season.

Frankly, what's going on right now just has to be a confidence thing for me. It does not make any fecking sense that he has just magically become this bad since joining us.
 
Reflecting on this, I remember the days of our bad keepers and struggling to replace legendary keepers. It was a nightmare.

Taibi, Bosnich, and Barthez… Onana looks worse than them all. Dodgy technique, terrible decision making, and I really see very little in him playing it from the back. At least 3 times last night he kicked straight out to touch like it was a rugby game!

I’d prefer a limited shot stopping keeper at this point, that made very few mistakes, rather than the situation we currently have.

This is all on ETH, another example of his shocking recruitment and stubbornness to face up to his errors by dropping Onana. In fact, between this, Mount and Anthony, ETH should be gone.
 
Mmm-Qatarian said:
I'm really not sure why people keep blaming this one on "scouting". Onana was not this bad at shot stopping at Inter. He was, in fact, statistically one of the best shot stoppers in the Champions League last season.

Frankly, what's going on right now just has to be a confidence thing for me. It does not make any fecking sense that he has just magically become this bad since joining us.
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Inter are one of the best teams in Italy, if not the best organized. He played behind a super solid and well drilled defense - this makes a huge difference. He is currently playing behind the chuckle brothers. Varane is probably half to be on the bench as he’s not associated with it!

I suspect that Inter and indeed Ajax’s organizational competence masked a lot of Onana’s weaknesses.
 
Unfortunately Onana has the biggest flaw a keeper can have - being unreliable. I have no confidence in him making any save and surely his teammates feel the same way. The saves he does make are often pushed out into danger areas too, or he palms shots away he should be holding. Makes him very erratic.

De Gea made errors but he did everything he could to push saves to the sides, away from attackers. His kicking was criticised but what I’ve seen from Onana is not better, and in fact at least once a game Onana will give the ball directly to an opponent in the final third.
 
RedRocket9908 said:
Instead of putting all the blame for tbe goals on Onana for all the goals we need to be asking why the wall had a massive hole in it on the first one that allowed the ball through, why Martial flicked his head toward the ball on the 2nd like he was going to head it away but didnt bother to actually jump to it, and where were the defence on the 3rd one when we somehow ended up with Mainoo being the furthest player back trying to put a challenge in.

If the players in front on Onana had have done their jobs properly tonight none of those goals would have been scored.
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He definitely makes mistakes for the first 2. Even if the wall did poorly and it looks like Martial may head it, Onana misjudges the flight of the ball on both and that's on him.

I can only assume people blaming the 3rd on him are part of that weird group who seem to blame every goal we concede on him.
 
The barthez comparisons aren’t going away are they. His errors used to send us out of Europe as well.
 
Mmm-Qatarian said:
I'm really not sure why people keep blaming this one on "scouting". Onana was not this bad at shot stopping at Inter. He was, in fact, statistically one of the best shot stoppers in the Champions League last season.

Frankly, what's going on right now just has to be a confidence thing for me. It does not make any fecking sense that he has just magically become this bad since joining us.
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They all do though. He's not the first player to come here and be worse. The thing is, Onana is a strong character, he's far more confident than most goalkeepers out there. His career shows as much. If even he struggles with coming here, then the pressure players feel when playing here is far higher than most of us realise - and probably a significant reason why players who come here often fail.

Onana's goalkeeping technique has always been unorthodox, but he's failing at even the basics here.
 
You maybe need a settling-in period, a certain body of work, until you can really judge a goalkeeper. But we're not far away from reaching that point. There was reason for hope I thought after a string of good to strong performances lately, but this just puts him right back where he was.

I guess the African Cup of Nations after Christmas provides an autopilot option for reviewing the alternatives. If Bayindir plays well perhaps Onana will find it hard to get his place back.
 
Yakuza_devils said:
DDG Apologists?! We will be much better off if DDG is still here, period. We will be comfortably qualify for next round of CL. We will also be higher at PL position.

Mind you, I agree that letting DDG go was the right decision considering that he was on very high wages but we did a major blunder here by significantly weaken our position.
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He shat the bed in fa final and europa just last year, mate.
Normally, a person would play like his life depend on it. His last chance to get last big fat contract but "nu uh. Im DeGOD, gimme that contract whilst i look at rival scoring winning goal"

Jebus, if he was playing for RM and smashing the group rn. I would be on my knee to apology but hes fecking jobless, for a good reason.
 
leeroyTX said:
Seemed like it was true. He has been playing well after the bad start. But I don't know how you recover from today. That gets in your head. A keeper with the yips gets you killed. It puts the back line in the mindset that they cannot give up a shot...and that is no way to defend.
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Pintu said:
it was justified… He’s been doing great lately. They jinxed him.
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Yes it's true that he had been playing well recently, felt like he had got over the early bloopers and this was even backed up by the stats, but this performance is definitely 'two steps back'

 
Rood said:
Yes it's true that he had been playing well recently, felt like he had got over the early bloopers and this was even backed up by the stats, but this performance is definitely 'two steps back'

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Agreed. That stat is a real surprise - I would not have thought so.
 
wolvored said:
Its his first season for us cut him some slack. Think about Schmeichel and De Gea their first seasons. They were erratic as well.
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This being his first season doesn't deter his shot stopping ability, he just isn't that good as a shot stopper, or with the ball at his feet.

Also, when it was de Gea first season, he was weak and got targeted by teams with crosses and bulky strikers, completely different scenarios.
 
Letting De Gea go and signing Onana were two different actions, the former was still necessary, the latter is looking like the wrong follow up. I hope Onana can turn this around because he's here now, and find consistency, but maybe the Portuguese lad was the one to go for?
 
justsomebloke said:
Agreed. That stat is a real surprise - I would not have thought so.
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I knew he was doing well, but yes a surprise to me to read he's the best PL keeper on shotstopping. I have no done the maths to check if it's actually correct though.

His major errors have all come in the CL TBF.
 
RedinIndia said:
Something seriously wrong with our scouting.

We spend big money and get a pile of shit. Liverpool spend the same and get Alisson.
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That’s absolute bollocks.

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Alisson Becker has officially joined Liverpool from Roma in a deal that makes him the world's most expensive goalkeeper.

Sky Sports News understands that Liverpool have paid £67m for the 25-year-old, who has signed a "long-term" contract at Anfield.


https://www.skysports.com/amp/footb...son-from-roma-in-record-deal-for-a-goalkeeper
 
Rood said:
I knew he was doing well, but yes a surprise to me to read he's the best PL keeper on shotstopping. I have no done the maths to check if it's actually correct though.

His major errors have all come in the CL TBF.
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We're letting in plenty of shots. He may not be making many superhuman saves, but he has been making many expected goal bound saves. Quite many are even shots from inside our box.

Nothing is surprised about the stats. However, stats is not telling the whole story about the technical aspect of the save (where the ball get pushed? how effortless the catch?)
 
He made a positional mistake on Zyech's first goal, but it's also down to how he didn't putted one or two players behind Icardi. Think it's an absolute naive decision from him.

Second goal he conceded, his reflex on the line is not De Gea's so all on him.

The third, he could have closed down a little bit more his angle, come a meter or two into the box to attack the ball, but it was a magnificent strike and a biggg hole in midfield.

Nevertheless, my main point on him is that we can't properly use his distribution yet as AWB, Dalot, Maguire, Lindelof, Amrabat, Mc Tominay are not confortable to receive... That's really difficult
 
ti vu said:
We're letting in plenty of shots. He may not be making many superhuman saves, but he has been making many expected goal bound saves. Quite many are even shots from inside our box.

Nothing is surprised about the stats. However, stats is not telling the whole story about the technical aspect of the save (where the ball get pushed? how effortless the catch?)
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Well I knew he was doing well past couple of months, but I was surprised to read that he is apparently the BEST keeper in the whole PL based on his saves Vs xG

Of course fine details of the quality of those saves is a different question - stats and metrics for keepers is a relatively new and developing area
 
stefan92 said:
A contract is only valid when all involved sign it. If de Gea had signed it before the CEO (or whoever at United does this for player contracts) did, there is nothing he could sue United about.
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My understanding is maybe it's wrong but If you get to a stage where all the terms are agreed and Club is offering a valid contract document containing all legal terms and stipulations then it would have been signed off by the club or it would come with a caveat if it's signed by so and so date by player then club also has to honour it and sign it .

Otherwise what's the point of players agents if they can't even do something basic like that .
 
gajender said:
My understanding is maybe it's wrong but If you get to a stage where all the terms are agreed and Club is offering a valid contract document containing all legal terms and stipulations then it would have been signed off by the club or it would come with a caveat if it's signed by so and so date by player then club also has to honour it and sign it .

Otherwise what's the point of players agents if they can't even do something basic like that .
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I agree it would be weird to give a contract to a potential employee that wasn't signed by the company before and never experienced it myself in my professional life. But would such a thing surprise me at United? No.
 
Mmm-Qatarian said:
I'm really not sure why people keep blaming this one on "scouting". Onana was not this bad at shot stopping at Inter. He was, in fact, statistically one of the best shot stoppers in the Champions League last season.

Frankly, what's going on right now just has to be a confidence thing for me. It does not make any fecking sense that he has just magically become this bad since joining us.
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Them change the GK trainers. It cannot be that our keepers are out of form for so long!
 
I'm still firmly in the Onana camp - he's had an awful time of it in the Champs League. Not sure why, but I don't think he's helped with an inconsistent backline and inconsistent midfield.

The season is what it is in terms of injuries, luck, VAR etc. We need to take the rough with the smooth and just get into the top 4 come May.
 
stefan92 said:
I agree it would be weird to give a contract to a potential employee that wasn't signed by the company before and never experienced it myself in my professional life. But would such a thing surprise me at United? No.
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That's could very well be true but what the heck De Gea's agent was doing in all this , I think it's more of face saving excercise from De Gea's camp nothing more.
 
Controversial opinion he will be fine long term may not look like it at the moment but he will get his bearing right soon enough .
 
Rood said:
Well I knew he was doing well past couple of months, but I was surprised to read that he is apparently the BEST keeper in the whole PL based on his saves Vs xG

Of course fine details of the quality of those saves is a different question - stats and metrics for keepers is a relatively new and developing area
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xGA relies on volume of shot closer to goals with lesser blockers.

From this stats Man City GKs is underperforming because they conceded together 13 goals when their xGA is 12.04!! Similarly is Arsenal, Newcastle, Liverpool who are ranked team with lowest xGA.

We're ranked 8th with highest xGA meaning we allowed plenty of shots, and shots nearer to goals, with less blockers. The Brentford goal was not that high in term of xGA value, yet it was a goal due to Onana GK error. This wouldn't really showing in bad light in this type of stats because Everton chances like the one Mainoo cleared off the line has bigger xGA value and the goal was prevented for example.

https://understat.com/league/EPL
 
UnitedSofa said:
That’s absolute bollocks.

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Alisson Becker has officially joined Liverpool from Roma in a deal that makes him the world's most expensive goalkeeper.

Sky Sports News understands that Liverpool have paid £67m for the 25-year-old, who has signed a "long-term" contract at Anfield.


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We would have still ended up breaking the transfer record if Inter had asked for 70m. That's how much of shambles we are.

And it isn't as if Onana came as a bargain deal.
 
ti vu said:
xGA relies on volume of shot closer to goals with lesser blockers.

From this stats Man City GKs is underperforming because they conceded together 13 goals when their xGA is 12.04!! Similarly is Arsenal, Newcastle, Liverpool who are ranked team with lowest xGA.

We're ranked 8th with highest xGA meaning we allowed plenty of shots, and shots nearer to goals, with less blockers. The Brentford goal was not that high in term of xGA value, yet it was a goal due to Onana GK error. This wouldn't really showing in bad light in this type of stats because Everton chances like the one Mainoo cleared off the line has bigger xGA value and the goal was prevented for example.

https://understat.com/league/EPL
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Ye interesting at least - what do you mean by 'less blockers'? Less than what?
 
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