Chelsea are fourth, while Spurs definitely thought they are underperforming and that's why they sacked Poch.Are Spurs and Chelsea worse than Sheffield United?
Sheffield United is actually a legit good team. And we are playing in EPL, a league which has always prided itself on any team being able to beat any other. If you want a league where top 3 or 4 are always beating everybody else, please feel free to watch Ligue 1, Serie A, or Bundesliga.Is it worse than Sheffield United?
Any excuse to suck up to Ole.
But he has become and he should be judged on what he is doing now.Plus Klopp had already won the Bundesliga with a Dortmund side he had built whilst playing incredible football. Ole hasn't proven anything to become Manchester United manager.
Jesus, any excuse to excuse Ole from the blame. Great, I think we deserve to be where we are since mediocrity is now acceptable at this club and by the fans.Sheffield United is actually a legit good team. And we are playing in EPL, a league which has always prided itself on any team being able to beat any other. If you want a league where top 3 or 4 are always beating everybody else, please feel free to watch Ligue 1, Serie A, or Bundesliga.
From Woodward's perspective:
1. He finally got a perennial yes-man who is just happy to keep his job that he is massively under-qualified for and will never say anything against the board.
2. The yes-man is a PR machine and has an incredibly zealous following who will defend him through the fires and the flames using all sorts of mental gymnastics and push the critics back.
3. The yes-man is on a lower salary than what most big name managers would demand from the club (although with that said he's still one of the highest paid managers in the world)
He's probably laughing at all this with the Glazers on their way to the bank.
But he has become and he should be judged on what he is doing now.
This place collectively, and rightly so, lost their shite when Moyes said that Liverpool are favorites at OT and that we should aspire to be like City. However now here we are, who will gobble up this nonsense by Ole of using a whole season as a practice session. Hopefully Woodward is not as thick as some of the posters on here and sees through the charade.
That's the main concern. Ole doesn't seem to have the acumen to improve footballers through training. In fact some of them seem to have gone backwards under him while others seem to have just stagnated.Also Ole has referenced Liverpool a couple of times too which haven't got past me. On results and evidence alone Ole is worse than Moyes and should be sacked. The only question I have is whether they should sack him now or after the January window.
If he doesn't have a successful January window then ultimately I don't believe he understands his own limitations and he's not the right man for us. His lack of coaching and tactical skills means he needs self managing top class footballers.
You could give Ole Mbappe and Lewandowski but I don't feel there would be a massive upturn in results or performances. That was my worry with Moyes also. Too many parralels.
I think it's the other way around. Moronic Ed has tolled him his job is safe because he himself stuffed up in the transfer market and left Ole in the lurch. Didn't Transfer Guru Ed stay home instead of going to Asia to sort out transfers? We all know how that turned out. One transfer a month Ed. Ole hasn't only got to try and fix results and playing style with this under achieving squad. He has to deal with Bumbling Ed. I'm willing to give him more time. Very interested to see what the guru comes up with next month.I have a horrible feeling that Ed has promised him his job is safe no matter the performances/Results as Ole has completely sold him on this ‘future’ plan even though he’s not capable of delivering us to a promising future.
This is spot on unfortunately
Easy to say that now but I don’t remember that being the story we were sold when he got the job.
Sheffield United is actually a legit good team. And we are playing in EPL, a league which has always prided itself on any team being able to beat any other. If you want a league where top 3 or 4 are always beating everybody else, please feel free to watch Ligue 1, Serie A, or Bundesliga.
Don't bother replying to him. He is blindly following Ole and doesn't seem any logical discussion will make him change his mind.Take Watford then. Or fecking Newcastle. Or Aston Villa. Or any other shit team we lost points to this seaon
When we win, Ole gets the praise and when we lose, it’s the players.Don't bother replying to him. He is blindly following Ole and doesn't seem any logical discussion will make him change his mind.
Point is we have become a club who are easily handled by teams who are underdogs themselves.
Liverpool have Wjinaldum, Henderson and Fabinho in midfield. Not one name in that can be called world class, but as a trio together they are doing a fantastic job. Yet people on here will be saying we don't win games against lower teams because our players are not good enough. The same players who played Man City off the park. Basically when things go well, it's because of Ole's tactics and when they don't, it's because the players are poor and need to be replaced.
That's basically it. And when we lose and to teams like Watford, the Ole followers simply come up saying he will need 2 more transfer windows to set this right. How can a team, who can go to City and basically bulldoze them, suddenly become so awful. I get that we cannot counter attack against teams who sit back but then our transitions against the top teams are much quicker than against the likes of Watford, where we needed like a million years to get the ball to our forwards, who then fecked it up time and again.When we win, Ole gets the praise and when we lose, it’s the players.
Well, he actually has had 2 windows, given one while he was interim manager. The biggest issue is the vast inconsistency from the team, OGS may not be responsible for some individual errors but he is responsible for who starts and his also formations and substitutions. This is where he has been failing as a manager. I know that a large group will counter that he has played the youth, but why is he not starting Greenwood, Garner & Gomes against the worse team in the league if he is building for next year.He's had one transfer window. One. Should we be performing better? Yes. Should he be performing to the level some of our delusional fans expect? No. How can you lot learn so little from the last 5 years of mediocrity? It's burgeoning on petulant ignorance at this point.
In the same breath the same posters will be telling us how incredibly shit all our players are, how the Percy penny strings leading our club won't invest, and yet inexplicably choose to believe they are three mutually exclusive problems.
Can't wait to sack Ole and 6 months down the link hear the same poorly conceived ideas floating around again.
When we win, Ole gets the praise and when we lose, it’s the players.
Why has he given up?
Scott McTominay is average. Daniel James is average. They are ok, but let's be realistic, they are not going to help us get back to the top.
I don't think it takes balls to persist with kids. Not when there is no pressure on the club to succeed. Ole says it's fine losing, it's a long term plan, everyone buys it, sounds like a cushty job to me.
Also, the kids are being developed with what culture? The loser mentality? Team full of losers with no experienced winners is really going to help them reach their full potential isn't it?
Since when do you breed success, inside an environment with no high standards and expectations being set?
We've got a coaching team who don't know what it's like to win anything, coaching a group of young players who don't know what it's like to win anything. That sounds like a flawed plan to me. Like the blind leading the blind to be exact.
Fortunately (or unfortunately), the manager should take overall accountability for the results. Good & bad.When we lose Ole gets the blame. When we win it’s the players.
Also Ole has referenced Liverpool a couple of times too which haven't got past me. On results and evidence alone Ole is worse than Moyes and should be sacked. The only question I have is whether they should sack him now or after the January window.
If he doesn't have a successful January window then ultimately I don't believe he understands his own limitations and he's not the right man for us. His lack of coaching and tactical skills means he needs self managing top class footballers.
You could give Ole Mbappe and Lewandowski but I don't feel there would be a massive upturn in results or performances. That was my worry with Moyes also. Too many parralels.
Oh really? It’s the complete opposite. Any win especially against good team- Ole is being praised non stop for his tactical masterclass even though we play the exact same negative boring football like we do against all the other teams. Main difference is that good teams come to us attacking and leave the space for us to exploit. When we lose it’s because of shite players even though anyone can see the tactical approach for the games against crap teams is horrible and will never ever work. Useless manager is dragging us towards relegation.When we lose Ole gets the blame. When we win it’s the players.
Are we talking the same "Poch" who didn't manage to win anything during his tenure at Spurs? Same Poch who got sacked from the team everybody thought he would retire from, because he was doing even worse than us, with a much better squad? That is the Poch you think is going to come in and magically make us great? Wake up.
Another proof that a parallel universe does exist.When we lose Ole gets the blame. When we win it’s the players.
I agree. The buck stops with Ole. The pertinent questions are:Fortunately (or unfortunately), the manager should take overall accountability for the results. Good & bad.
Oh he’s referenced THE BEST TEAM IN THE LEAGUE (by a fair amount too) - oooo let’s turn on him because he’s stating facts.
Like it or not & the sooner our fans stop clinging on to the glory days the better.
We.Are.Simply.Not.Good.Enough.Anymore
We can and should always strive for the best because we’re Manchester United, but don’t hold on to the coat tails of yesteryear because winning is all you know. Get used to losing, it’s going to happen a lot more & that’s regardless of who the manager is.
I agree. The buck stops with Ole. The pertinent questions are:
what is he trying to do?
how is he doing against that target?
I argue it is rather more complicated than just saying: he’s there to win matches. Praise or criticism on a match by match basis is meaningless.
Spurs already sacked their manager. Chelsea are 4 points ahead anyone else at #4.Are Spurs and Chelsea worse than Sheffield United?
Why has he given up?
Yeah, the one that was in the champions league final last year (without signing a single player that summer). The one who got regularly mid table spurs to title challengers and gad them in the champions league 4/5 seasons he was in charge.
If he wins the league for us or not doesn't matter, we're light years away from that. Right now we're mid-table mediocrity.
Oh he’s referenced THE BEST TEAM IN THE LEAGUE (by a fair amount too) - oooo let’s turn on him because he’s stating facts.
Like it or not & the sooner our fans stop clinging on to the glory days the better.
We.Are.Simply.Not.Good.Enough.Anymore
We can and should always strive for the best because we’re Manchester United, but don’t hold on to the coat tails of yesteryear because winning is all you know. Get used to losing, it’s going to happen a lot more & that’s regardless of who the manager is.
He had a clear identity on how he wanted his team to play. He just didn’t have the players.Do you remember in 2015/16 when everyone was shit and it allowed Leicester to stroll the League. Yet Klopp and Liverpool still finished 8th.
They should have sacked him.
He wasn't given one when he was interim. He may have come on as manager before then but we didn't sign any player in January.Well, he actually has had 2 windows, given one while he was interim manager. The biggest issue is the vast inconsistency from the team, OGS may not be responsible for some individual errors but he is responsible for who starts and his also formations and substitutions. This is where he has been failing as a manager. I know that a large group will counter that he has played the youth, but why is he not starting Greenwood, Garner & Gomes against the worse team in the league if he is building for next year.
When you look at Fred and McTominay, none of them has the potential to be an elite passer yet we play them away at Watford where we need a top passer, Garner who has potential to be isn't given that chance then we are shocked when we come out with a loss at the worst side in the league.
