Ole says this season will be used to find next season’s squad

[Majima]

I dont we signed Maguire because of his speed. Speed is an asset but there are good players who are not known for their speed.
We suffered a number of goals due to individual errors which will happen even if you have an organised defence.

I get that sure, someone like Chiellini is not fast but he's an aggressive, intelligent defender. But i don't see a very intelligent defender in Maguire to make up for those shortcomings.

He's prone to being caught out of position, has lapses of concentration and he isn't a very aggressive tackler, he has a tendency to stand off attackers, allowing them to shoot too easily. He's never had to organise a defence too, so that's another grey area, in such a weak defence as ours.

When you add all that together with his lack of pace, it adds up. He's okay, but for £80m you expect much more.

 

[7even]

So you are 5 years old..

Almost. Thanks for asking but my age will not change the reality and that Ole is completely out of his depth. You simply don’t communicate like that. There is nothing in his management that make me confident, actually the opposite. I think this squad could have had more points this season in the EPL without him as a manager. Let that sink in “buddy” and Merry Christmas to you and your nearest. Today we’re nice you know.

 

[Majima]

Have a beer son. Things might be better for you in 2020.

Likewise to you too. Utd winning again would be a welcome change!

 

[Majima]

Almost. Thanks for asking but my age will not change the reality and that Ole is completely out of his depth. You simply don’t communicate like that. There is nothing in his management that me confidence, actually the opposite. I think this squad could have had more points this season in the EPL without him as a manager. Let that sink in “buddy” and Merry Christmas to you and your nearest. Today we’re nice you know.

''Merry Christmas ya filthy animal'' is how i read that post.

 

[Tony247]

An entire season is pre season for the next season...and so on.

Okay, got it.

 

[mu4c_20le]

Almost. Thanks for asking but my age will not change the reality and that Ole is completely out of his depth. You simply don’t communicate like that. There is nothing in his management that me confidence, actually the opposite. I think this squad could have had more points this season in the EPL without him as a manager. Let that sink in “buddy” and Merry Christmas to you and your nearest. Today we’re nice you know.

Wasn't actually serious about your age, just found it odd how you think he's worse than Moyes, who came up with quips like suggesting Rio and Vidic learn to defend like Jagielka, or aspiring to be like City. You can say he's out of his depth against the likes of Pep and Klopp, but worst United manager? Come on man. Also it is fine to criticize him, but in threads like this there is always so much hyperbole. And as you said we are all nice today so I didn't want to get into specifics about how he's doing his job... thought you understood the relevance of my post right away. Merry xmas to you too.

 

[Random Task]

AWB might improve but I highly doubt he'll improve to the degree of becoming a flying fullback creating havoc in defenses like say Liverpool fullbacks. It's hard to improve to that degree imo. I don't think I'm harsh on him, on the contrary, I believe the criticism for him will become harsher as the time goes on and people starting to get tired of seeing only one good side of him on the pitch. The game has moved on from fully defensive fullback.

I didn't say Maguire was generally crap. He has been average to decent here, nothing terrible but nothing extraordinary. The problem is for 80m he's very slow and will be hardly able to play in a high lineup in a more offensive approach. That's the problem. I mentioned this a lot the previous few years, but on signing a slow CB, a defensive fullback and a winger good only in running in spaces and crossing, you're setting the tone for your attack to be dependent on setting back and hitting opposition on counters, regardless of these players being good or not. Better planning for the summer and longer sight could have had us at a better place, or with players that will help us achieve the style of play we want to see quicker.

Here's the thing, we wouldn't be looking to our fullbacks to provide an attacking outlet if our midfield and attack were doing their jobs correctly. AWB is a defender, primarily, his defensive duties take priority over his attacking duties by a distance.

 

[AFC NimbleThumb]

Have a beer son. Things might be better for you in 2020.

Jog on. He said nothing controversial there, interact with the post stating why he is wrong if it’s such a ludicrous statement.

Believing Maguire was overpriced & stating the fact he is slow is NOT outlandish.

As for him having a beer. I’d suggest you drink responsibly this Christmas, if at all.

 

[Majima]

Jog on. He said nothing controversial there, interact with the post stating why he is wrong if it’s such a ludicrous statement.

Believing Maguire was overpriced & stating the fact he is slow is NOT outlandish.

As for him having a beer. I’d suggest you drink responsibly this Christmas, if at all.

I think he was saying it as i was questioning the positive posts a lot. Just a joke i guess. I never took offence.

 

[Acquire Me]

Likewise to you too. Utd winning again would be a welcome change!

Thanks, I will. Cheers

 

[soapythecat]

I get folk are jumping all over him for these comments, but he is a manger under the biggest microscope in world football. Why take everything he says at face value?
I think he knows exactly what he want for this club and what he feels is best for the club - but whether he is good enough to implement that, we don’t know.
Personally, he speaks fairly straight, honest stuff and kind of reflects where we are as a club right now. Some players are taking the piss with their performances so a kick up the ass to let them know them may not be in the plans could shake them up.
Give the man a break - he isn’t getting fired this season. Get behind him.

 

[Marat]

How many managers do you want to go through? How many 'rebuilds' do you want to go through? How thin is your patience for ANY manager? Let alone Ole.

Also, if you're hinging your hopes on Pochettino being manager then I hope you didn't enjoy beating City or Spurs and I hope you're not expecting us to actually win any trophies to carry on supporting us because he'll deliver exactly what he did at Spurs, feck all - all whilst suggesting he doesn't NEED to win trophies.

He had a much, much better Spurs squad than ours and he made a team full of bottlers, all whilst spaffing money up the wall on shit transfers. He's hardly a saviour nor a safe hand.

He doesn't need to win trophies because the spurs will always be the underdog, so the board has not much big expectations on that. With the new stadium they are going to stay quiet on the transfert market, same as the past recent years.
It's easy to say that HE bought some players when you know how it works at Tottenham, every transfert is based on a team working spirit, and the players you mention were just substitues to establish a diverse squad.
One of those substitues (Lucas) allow them to reach a CL Final, and to score important goals in PL while Ali or Kane were injuried, and the other ones did the job to stay in the top 4.
The way he made the players improve is really impressive, he has a real ability to keep a high standard work ethic. Just look how tiny his squad was, he got some tremendous achievement.

 

[AFC NimbleThumb]

I think he was saying it as i was questioning the positive posts a lot. Just a joke i guess. I never took offence.

@Acquire Me

If so, I apologize.

 

[jamesjimmybyrondean]

The thing about trusting a Ole in this rebuild process is that when the results are bad there has to be something to signify that he is still the man for the job. That he deserves time. We should be looking at his past record as a manager and see if he has actually rebuilt a team before. Or managed a young team successfully. If he hasn't then chances of him being clueless are high because he has never been any of those situations. So why would a manager like that deserve time.

Fine. There's a first time for everything and maybe Ole's first attempt at a rebuild will be successful. But given that this is his first time the time at which he has to prove himself at a big club like United is much shorter. The only way he can buy time is by good results and if that's too much to ask then at least make due with good performances.

In essence a manager that has been given a job to carry out a rebuild should have good results or good performances or a past record of having done it before. Which of these does Ole have??

When Liverpool were getting bad results in Klopps early days their fans could look at his past record and see that 'he has rebuilt a team at Dortmund so maybe he deserves time with Liverpool' or 'the results are not good but the performances are. I can see what he's trying to do on the pitch'

 

[dwd]

What’s next season for then? Why is it our ‘process’ takes ten times longer than other clubs and managers?

 

[b82REZ]

How many managers do you want to go through? How many 'rebuilds' do you want to go through? How thin is your patience for ANY manager? Let alone Ole.

Also, if you're hinging your hopes on Pochettino being manager then I hope you didn't enjoy beating City or Spurs and I hope you're not expecting us to actually win any trophies to carry on supporting us because he'll deliver exactly what he did at Spurs, feck all - all whilst suggesting he doesn't NEED to win trophies.

He had a much, much better Spurs squad than ours and he made a team full of bottlers, all whilst spaffing money up the wall on shit transfers. He's hardly a saviour nor a safe hand.

Sounds like a certain Norwegian manager I know.

I have a feeling you'll be singing a different tune when he eventually becomes our manager.

Spurs have been bottlers for decades, Poch actually made them less bottly

 

[Alabaster Codify7]

What’s next season for then? Why is it our ‘process’ takes ten times longer than other clubs and managers?

It's all lip-service and deflection. Leicester were bottom half of the table when Puel was fired. Rodgers came in, barely got given any spending money, not once did he mention a 3yr process or 'hard times before good times'. He simply improved his team and they are now top 3 in the PL, no excuses, no buying time, nothing. Just simple good coaching and clear direction. He even was kind enough to sell us his best defender for 80m, and didn't replace him with a new signing.

 

[RussellWilson]

It's all lip-service and deflection. Leicester were bottom half of the table when Puel was fired. Rodgers came in, barely got given any spending money, not once did he mention a 3yr process or 'hard times before good times'. He simply improved his team and they are now top 3 in the PL, no excuses, no buying time, nothing. Just simple good coaching and clear direction. He even was kind enough to sell us his best defender for 80m, and didn't replace him with a new signing.

No. That's not possible. You need five years and 10 windows to beat bottom of the league Watford.

 

[mu4c_20le]

It's all lip-service and deflection. Leicester were bottom half of the table when Puel was fired. Rodgers came in, barely got given any spending money, not once did he mention a 3yr process or 'hard times before good times'. He simply improved his team and they are now top 3 in the PL, no excuses, no buying time, nothing. Just simple good coaching and clear direction. He even was kind enough to sell us his best defender for 80m, and didn't replace him with a new signing.

No mention of how Puel lost the dressing room and the senior players calling in the board for a meeting to get him the sack?

 

[matherto]

Sounds like a certain Norwegian manager I know.

I have a feeling you'll be singing a different tune when he eventually becomes our manager.

Spurs have been bottlers for decades, Poch actually made them less bottly

Nah, that certain Norwegian manager you know actually beat the top sides. Pochettino has a Moyes-esque record against them.

And why are you so sure he'll become our manager? They didn't choose him when they sacked Mourinho and they're only likely to sack Ole for someone who is a proven winner. Remind me how many trophies Poch won at Spurs? How many he won anywhere else?

He actually didn't make them less bottly. He came third in a two horse title race in 2016 and he chose his allegience to Kane over the squad in the CL final.

Meanwhile he openly came out and said he doesn't NEED to win trophies to consider himself a good manager.

Why you'd want anyone with that mentality (if Ole has the same then get rid) as manager of Manchester United I don't know.

 

[Alabaster Codify7]

No. That's not possible. You need five years and 10 windows to beat bottom of the league Watford.

Judging from those 90mins, we need 10 new first team players and £600m to beat that Watford team, because even without the individual errors we were outplayed and would have drawn 0-0 with a team with a -22 goal difference.

That in itself should be an alarm bell, because we all know we dont actually need 10 new players to beat Watford. In fact, we don't need a single addition to this first team to comfortably beat that shower. It's all down to the coaching and management.

 

[Alabaster Codify7]

No mention of how Puel lost the dressing room and the senior players calling in the board for a meeting to get him the sack?

I'm not sure how that detracts from my point?

We had the same with Jose, more or less. Ole hasn't taken us up to the top 3 though, has he?

 

[matherto]

It's all lip-service and deflection. Leicester were bottom half of the table when Puel was fired. Rodgers came in, barely got given any spending money, not once did he mention a 3yr process or 'hard times before good times'. He simply improved his team and they are now top 3 in the PL, no excuses, no buying time, nothing. Just simple good coaching and clear direction. He even was kind enough to sell us his best defender for 80m, and didn't replace him with a new signing.

Rodgers and the situation at Leicester and Ole with United are two completely unique situations and we know nothing about how Rodgers or anyone else would have done/would be doing at United based on what they're dong elsewhere.

 

[mu4c_20le]

I'm not sure how that detracts from my point?

We had the same with Jose, more or less. Ole hasn't taken us up to the top 3 though, has he?

It doesn't nullify your point, but felt it was worth a mention since you brought up their league position when BR took over. Puel himself took over leicester when they were in the relegation zone and pulled them back up. Rodgers deserves some credit but I do wonder how much of their current success is down to the players willing to put in a shift again.

 

[Acole9]

That's not good enough, I don't buy into any season being used as essentially a free hit. Guaranteed if he's still manager next season and we're doing badly he'll use a similar excuse again.

 

[Gehrman]

Nah, that certain Norwegian manager you know actually beat the top sides. Pochettino has a Moyes-esque record against them.

And why are you so sure he'll become our manager? They didn't choose him when they sacked Mourinho and they're only likely to sack Ole for someone who is a proven winner. Remind me how many trophies Poch won at Spurs? How many he won anywhere else?

He actually didn't make them less bottly. He came third in a two horse title race in 2016 and he chose his allegience to Kane over the squad in the CL final.

Meanwhile he openly came out and said he doesn't NEED to win trophies to consider himself a good manager.

Why you'd want anyone with that mentality (if Ole has the same then get rid) as manager of Manchester United I don't know.

I'm pretty sure that if Poch was employed at Barca, Bayern or Real Madrid he would say he needs to win trophies. Consistently finishing 4th with a netspend of 15 million compared to our 300 millon in same period, shows that he did a good job. He also reached a CL final with a depleted squad knocking out City on the way.

 

[Big Ben Foster]

It doesn't nullify your point, but felt it was worth a mention since you brought up their league position when BR took over. Puel himself took over leicester when they were in the relegation zone and pulled them back up. Rodgers deserves some credit but I do wonder how much of their current success is down to the players willing to put in a shift again.

The irony of this post isn't lost on you, is it?

 

[JK-27]

First time I've ever heard a Utd manager publicly giving up on a season. Does such a comment inspire players to try harder? I doubt it. They haven't given a feck so far, this comment is only going to make them feel they don't have to try this year.

Ole out.

 

[mu4c_20le]

The irony of this post isn't lost on you, is it?

Only if you missed the point of the post

 

[VorZakone]

Bad comments by Ole. Not that he's wrong necessarily, but they're demoralizing. No need to say these things publicly at this moment.

 

[Sied]

First time I've ever heard a Utd manager publicly giving up on a season. Does such a comment inspire players to try harder? I doubt it. They haven't given a feck so far, this comment is only going to make them feel they don't have to try this year.

Ole out.

Have you read the article? I've seen several people in this thread slate Ole for giving up but the actual quotes don't read like that at all.

 

[b82REZ]

Nah, that certain Norwegian manager you know actually beat the top sides. Pochettino has a Moyes-esque record against them.

And why are you so sure he'll become our manager? They didn't choose him when they sacked Mourinho and they're only likely to sack Ole for someone who is a proven winner. Remind me how many trophies Poch won at Spurs? How many he won anywhere else?

He actually didn't make them less bottly. He came third in a two horse title race in 2016 and he chose his allegience to Kane over the squad in the CL final.

Meanwhile he openly came out and said he doesn't NEED to win trophies to consider himself a good manager.

Why you'd want anyone with that mentality (if Ole has the same then get rid) as manager of Manchester United I don't know.

You're weakening your argument when you refer to Poch's trophies. Ole has a Norweigan league title and then nothing apart from relegation from the PL. Poch has implemented an actual style on 2 teams in this league, both on small budgets and both times got the team playing better than the sum of its parts.

Also while none of us can be certain, I highly doubt we didn't sound out managers last year, and knowing Levy he either put a huge compensation amount on his head or refused to talk to us.

Poch may not win all the big games but he wins the other 75% of the games a season, the polar opposite of the manager we have now. I'd gladly take top 4 and losing against City every week.

Your arguments against him make you look like your allegiance to Ole is clouding your judgement because all of your reasons not to take Poch are things we are currently seeing (except beating 75% of the league) with Solksjaer.

 

[NewGlory]

So straight up: if you had the choice between OGS and Poch, you would choose Ole?

Decisions happen in time and in context. A year ago Poch seemed like a stronger coach (even though I never liked his style), but given everything that has happened in the last year - I certainly would not sack Ole and hire Poch, right now.

 

[Red_toad]

He took over during the season and took them to the League Cup and Europa League finals in the mean time, how is that a fair comparison?

Ole could do exactly the same this season. How isn’t it a fair comparison?

 

[NewGlory]

Have you ever critized Mourinho? Have you won the treble with Inter? Or the CL with Porto?

You asked if you could have the United job, so I told you what qualifications you need for that, not for criticizing the manager.

 

[jem]

Decisions happen in time and in context. A year ago Poch seemed like a stronger coach (even though I never liked his style), but given everything that has happened in the last year - I certainly would not sack Ole and hire Poch, right now.

Fair enough. I don't agree, but fair enough nonetheless.

 

[Gehrman]

You asked if you could have the United job, so I told you what qualifications you need for that, not for criticizing the manager.

You said you're not allowed to critize Ole unless you've done better yourself. I'd hazard a guess you you've critized managers as well. It's weird.

 

[RORY65]

Ole could do exactly the same this season. How isn’t it a fair comparison?

I elaborated in a subsequent post that it's worth persisting with Ole for now and to give him more time to sort things out but he came in midway through last season, he had time to gear up for a summer transfer window and to have a pre-season, so it's not a fair comparison to Klopp coming in during the season. Klopp came third in his first full season, we aren't going to finish third (albeit there's no shame in that given our squad is arguably a bit weaker than Liverpool's was then plus Klopp is probably the best manager in the world).

 

[Bastian]

For those criticising what we didn't buy in the summer I would agree but to say to was Ole who decided that James, Wan Bissaka and Maquire would be enough is laughable, one thing that has been consistent over the last few years is our ex managers bemoaning the issue of identifying that we needed X, Y and Z player and getting just Z or even worse Q, could just be sour grapes but if enough people tell you it is a duck it probably is (and in this case a lame one).

Ole is guilty of towing the party line, but then SAF was a past master at towing the party line "no value in the market" and we had just gotten rid of a manager who was openly disliked for his moaning.

Not saying Ole is Klopp far from it but look at Liverpool over the last 5 years to see what needs to be done with a club in disarray, there are signs of life, more so than under other managers, if Ole is given the right backing by Ed then who knows, maybe, maybe not but all the haters out there I just do not get it, we look better than at any time since SAF left, if Ole can crack the nut of breaking lesser teams down then we are flying, maybe that is a signing or two but I do not see any dynamism within our midfield, apart for the hot and cold Pogba, and well that is another argument.

The key question - which is even bigger than whether or not Ole has it in him to be a good manager - is how ambitious the board is with regards to a proper rebuild. If we are aiming to win trophies the rebuild will be expensive, there is just no way around that. We've spent (net) very low sums the last two summers and yet we've extended deals for players who lessen the overall quality of the team. I find it hard to believe that the board is willing to do what it takes either in terms of financial outlay to conduct a proper rebuild, or in terms of modernising the way the club is run (accepting thereby that it's been a shit show since SAF retired).

With regards to SAF towing the party line, with him, at least you knew you had a genius manager who was capable of getting everything out of his players. So Ole towing the party line is a very different thing. We cannot afford to have an influential figure like that praising an unambitious board. This remains to be seen, January will prove a test but next summer if there isn't serious business done then I don't think it will again under this ownership.

The bit about Ole figuring out how to break defensive teams down isn't just a small matter. It highlights his lack of managerial prowess. He's got one plan. People like to make excuses for him by putting all the blame on the players, but that's pretty remarkable. I mean, some of the teams we've dropped points against are utter trash. This is mainly a coaching issue, tactics, motivation, patterns of play etc.

Ole did say that he'd have us ready this season and kept going on about the pre-season being some silver bullet. Granted, we suffered injuries to key players that greatly disrupted our season, but we've been well below par all things considered.

 

[Paxi]

Decisions happen in time and in context. A year ago Poch seemed like a stronger coach (even though I never liked his style), but given everything that has happened in the last year - I certainly would not sack Ole and hire Poch, right now.

He's still on different planet to Ole. Ask any neutral, objective football fan and they'll think you're off your rocker, comparing the two.