Ole says this season will be used to find next season’s squad

Incompetent, all powerful leader (Woodward) employs incompetent yes-man (Solskjaer) to do his bidding. Project goes to the shitters gradually and the recovery after is a project spanning decades.

This is virtually how most socialist states have been run through the 20th century. I wonder what happened to those projects.
 
Castia said:
Had no right challenging or winning cups though did he. The ‘better squad’ says it all when he spent about a fiver in the transfer market and we spent hundreds of millions and more often than not finish behind them in the league. They had a better squad because he’s brought the likes of Deli, Kane and Son on all 3 were virtually unknown before his tenure.
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You are absolutely right that Spurs have used their transfer budget better than most teams, but how is that a knock on Ole? We all agree that United's recruitement is trash and has been for years, what does that have to do with Ole? Most of United's lavish & stupid spend was during LVG and Mourinho, anyway
 
I remember many saying all he needed was a summer window and a preseason and he'd have the team playing like Utd of old
 
Did people think we already had a good enough squad in place or something???

Any excuse for a dig.
 
MaxiPaxi said:
He's still on different planet to Ole. Ask any neutral, objective football fan and they'll think you're off your rocker, comparing the two.
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I would humbly suggest that you worry less about trying to guess what the popular opinion is and be more courageous in having your own observations and opinions, mate.

You are saying Poch is on a whole different level compared to Ole. With the same logic, Mourinho was way more accomplished and experienced than Poch. And we hired Mourinho, and he finished above Poch in one season + won us Europa League, but he wasn't able to rebuild the team. On the contrary, he eventually left the team in worse condition than what he inherited. So - what do you make of that?
 
SteveW said:
Did people think we already had a good enough squad in place or something???

Any excuse for a dig.
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It should be good enough to not lose against Watford, the worst team in the league.
 
NewGlory said:
I would humbly suggest that you worry less about trying to guess what the popular opinion is and be more courageous in having your own observations and opinions, mate.

You are saying Poch is on a whole different level compared to Ole. With the same logic, Mourinho was way more accomplished and experienced than Poch. And we hired Mourinho, and he finished above Poch in one season + won us Europa League, but he wasn't able to rebuild the team. On the contrary, he eventually left the team in worse condition than what he inherited. So - what do you make of that?
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We hired Mourinho because Poch was at Spurs, by all accounts we had talks with Poch about becoming the new manager and yeah of course Jose is a more accomplished manager. His success speak for itself, but managers lose their touch too. Get left behind. Manager like Capello, Trap, Mourinho, LvG. It happens. Poch spent 5 years at Spurs and did a brilliant job for 4 of those years on shoe string budget. He solidified spurs as a top 4 team and there were genuine feeling that they were the best team in the country during spells. On the other hand we have a manager who went to Cardiff got them relegated, didn't get sacked, was given the chance to bounce back; eventually sacked for being absolutely dismal in the championship and off to obscurity back he went until last year. After a very nice honeymoon period, his win ratio is not out of place from relegation threatened sides. Leagues apart as managers.
 
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If we’re blaming Woodward for the lack of incomings are we also giving him the ‘praise’ for selling the widely perceived deadwood?

Not aiming this at you [I’ve not seen all your posts] but there is a notion on here that OgS gets praise for sales but Woodward gets criticism for not bringing players in - surely he either gets all the praise or all the critique.
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I'm happy to criticise Ole for his failings - tactics, bad or late subs, his inability to beat the worst teams etc.

But Woodward has overseen 7 years of transfer mistakes. And a low net spend for 2 transfer windows running. One causing Jose to down tools after extending his contract. And one leaving Ole with a squad to weak to break down teams and no Lukaku replaacement.

I suspect they both need to go.
 
Fluctuation0161 said:
And...?

You do know the last day of the market was before the season started, right?
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So since we sold a player on the last day of the market after finishing all our business, a player the manager didn't actually want anyway and was keeping on the bench for the end of the last season, it means that we didn't brought the players the manager wanted and didn't spend last summer? I mean if you are asking for putting context in discussions then you should do it yourself.
 
He can write a book. Book of excuses. But he is clever guy, i give him that.
 
el3mel said:
So since we sold a player on the last day of the market after finishing all our business, a player the manager didn't actually want anyway and was keeping on the bench for the end of the last season, it means that we didn't brought the players the manager wanted and didn't spend last summer? I mean if you are asking for putting context in discussions then you should do it yourself.
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If the board knew Ole didn't want Lukaku then we needed to sign a replacement. Just look at the poor quality of the squad and there is your context.

We needed more quality it has been obvious for years now. The key time to invest and kick on was after Jose finished second. Ever since then we have dithered and scrimped and saved.
 
Still shocked at how many fans are signed up into this mediocrity. The most juvenile reasons given to defend this shambles.

Ole is throwing the squad under the bus and it's classless.
 
MaxiPaxi said:
We hired Mourinho because Poch was at Spurs, by all accounts we had talks with Poch about becoming the new manager and yeah of course Jose is a more accomplished manager. His success speak for itself, but managers lose their touch too. Get left behind. Manager like Capello, Trap, Mourinho, LvG. It happens. Poch spent 5 years at Spurs and did a brilliant job for 4 of those years on shoe string budget. He solidified spurs as a top 4 team and there were genuine feeling that they were the best team in the country during spells. On the other hand we have a manager who went to Cardiff got them relegated, didn't get sacked, was given the chance to bounce back; eventually sacked for being absolutely dismal in the championship and off to obscurity back he went until last year. After a very nice honeymoon period, his win ratio is not out of place from relegation threatened sides. Leagues apart as managers.
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This
 
b82REZ said:
You are rewriting history here to suit your agenda.
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Suggesting that we should have stuck with the pile of garbage Jose, David and Louis left us with is a bit daft in fairness. Rojo and Matic will hopefully join the list in January of excess garbage that will be removed. Mata is very lucky to still be here. As is Shaw, Fred, Lingard and even Martial.
 
Fluctuation0161 said:
If the board knew Ole didn't want Lukaku then we needed to sign a replacement. Just look at the poor quality of the squad and there is your context.

We needed more quality it has been obvious for years now. The key time to invest and kick on was after Jose finished second. Ever since then we have dithered and scrimped and saved.
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All I see is we splashed 80m on a defender, making him the most expensive defender of all time, something that could have been altered if the manager didn't actually want Maguire and preferred to spend the money on a midfielder or a forward, but what happened, is Ole prioritizing splashing the cash on defense and then we spent the time after Maguire deal trying to sign a cheap, backup striker as Mandzukic. Never once were we in for any top name striker in the summer, just backup options as Mandzukic after the Maguire deal. It only indicates that Ole's plan was to depend on Rashford and Martial as his striking options and wanted a replacement for Lukaku to set on the bench, while his prime target was reinforcing the defense. I mean he said it himself anyway, that Maguire was his top target in the summer :

https://www.manutd.com/en/news/deta...ry-maguire-was-his-number-one-transfer-target

So imo in terms of money spent, Ole was fully backed, exactly for the same degree as the rest of the rest of our managers. What is making the window looks poor in terms of additions is how we prioritized targets ahead of more urgent issues and where we preferred to splash our cash in. Those 150m could have been spent better, and this is a hindsight for us fans yes, but for a manager who managed for 6 months before the window came, I would have expected him to analyze the team needs better than fans on internet.
 
hobbers said:
tldr; You're in a world of your own.
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Selling experienced ageing mercenaries and replacing them with a bunch of untested kids, whose development will be slow and painful is not easy. Any clown can spend 400 million landing 30 year olds with 1 good year left in them, and win a Europa League along the way, but the long term damage that short-term ism pussy approach does to a club is simply not worth it.
 
MaxiPaxi said:
He's still on different planet to Ole. Ask any neutral, objective football fan and they'll think you're off your rocker, comparing the two.
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Why dont ask someone who know what he is about? Like Sir Alex. Why not ask the players, who are all behind him? Thats right... Better pretend like a lot of so called UTD fans on here.. Its so sad what is happening on this forum..
 
el3mel said:
All I see is we splashed 80m on a defender, making him the most expensive defender of all time, something that could have been altered if the manager didn't actually want Maguire and preferred to spend the money on a midfielder or a forward, but what happened, is Ole prioritizing splashing the cash on defense and then we spent the time after Maguire deal trying to sign a cheap, backup striker as Mandzukic. Never once were we in for any top name striker in the summer, just backup options as Mandzukic after the Maguire deal. It only indicates that Ole's plan was to depend on Rashford and Martial as his striking options and wanted a replacement for Lukaku to set on the bench, while his prime target was reinforcing the defense. I mean he said it himself anyway, that Maguire was his top target in the summer :

https://www.manutd.com/en/news/deta...ry-maguire-was-his-number-one-transfer-target

So imo in terms of money spent, Ole was fully backed, exactly for the same degree as the rest of the rest of our managers. What is making the window looks poor in terms of additions is how we prioritized targets ahead of more urgent issues and where we preferred to splash our cash in. Those 150m could have been spent better, and this is a hindsight for us fans yes, but for a manager who managed for 6 months before the window came, I would have expected him to analyze the team needs better than fans on internet.
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Mate. First i have to say i thought you where one of them agenda idiots on this site. I have to admit i have moved away from that conclution as i have seen you in a more balanced way.

But the truth is we dont know anything about any target, and certainly not what timeframe the club has set. Right back and center half was a disaster and positions really needed to be fixed. So was the midfield and a striker. But we do not know what the club has lined up.
IMO the news on Manzukic proves that. It was all paper talk..
 
Wolfmother said:
Why dont ask someone who know what he is about? Like Sir Alex. Why not ask the players, who are all behind him? Thats right... Better pretend like a lot of so called UTD fans on here.. Its so sad what is happening on this forum..
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As you wish.


December 2015: Tottenham MP David Lammy reveals what Sir Alex told him about Pochettino

"I'm going to let you into a secret," he said. "About six weeks ago, I sat next to Sir Alex Ferguson at a dinner in support of grassroots football abroad. He said to me, 'I think you guys have got the best manager in the Premier League.' Alex Ferguson said that."
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Doubt Sir Alex changed his mind cause Poch eventually got sacked at Spurs.
 
Wolfmother said:
Mate. First i have to say i thought you where one of them agenda idiots on this site. I have to admit i have moved away from that conclution as i have seen you in a more balanced way.

But the truth is we dont know anything about any target, and certainly not what timeframe the club has set. Right back and center half was a disaster and positions really needed to be fixed. So was the midfield and a striker. But we do not know what the club has lined up.
IMO the news on Manzukic proves that. It was all paper talk..
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Were we linked to any top strikers at any point during the summer? Why did all the links to midfielders die once we signed Maguire? You can add 1 and 2 and get the results, and anyway, 150m is still a good enough sum of money if it was spent correctly. The defense was bad but you let Herrera and Fellaini go in one year and was benching your main striker and wanting him out, while having 5-6 defenders available. Of course at this point midfield had become a more urgent position to reinforce than defense, even if it was crap, it had options, unlike midfield. It is not like anyone was challenging us for Maguire anyway with City backing off from it due to his price. I bet we could have postponed his transfer to Jan or next summer while spending the current money elsewhere.

As I said I expect the manager to analyze all this thoroughly and reach a well put conclusion on which position is in a more urgent need to be reinforced and which one can be postponed later. Ole's conclusion was that defense was more important, so ok, but he has to live and die with his choices
 
He has not complained that the wind in England makes it hard to play football and that we need a few seasonsd to coach the players into be able to deal with it. Klopp took 3 years to learn how to beat the wind and this is the first season he fully masters it.
 
peridigm said:
I don’t get why everyone is freaking out over this statement. It’s the same thing as saying we’re in a rebuild, albeit a little harsher. This was apparent before we kicked the first ball of the season and has become more so as the season progresses. Sometimes you need to tear it down before you build it back up. I’d say Ole is doing a good job at the tear down part.
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Exactly mate. Except as soon as we have a few of the expected ups and downs the toys get firmly thrown out of the caf pram.
 
littleman said:
Still shocked at how many fans are signed up into this mediocrity. The most juvenile reasons given to defend this shambles.

Ole is throwing the squad under the bus and it's classless.
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From Woodward's perspective:

1. He finally got a perennial yes-man who is just happy to keep his job that he is massively under-qualified for and will never say anything against the board.
2. The yes-man is a PR machine and has an incredibly zealous following who will defend him through the fires and the flames using all sorts of mental gymnastics and push the critics back.
3. The yes-man is on a lower salary than what most big name managers would demand from the club (although with that said he's still one of the highest paid managers in the world)

He's probably laughing at all this with the Glazers on their way to the bank.
 
I agree, but not about the players. We use this season to find a better manager that can replace Ole. Also look for someone to replace Woodward too. Then after that we can actually look to bring in players.
 
Not even surprised, he's been making quotes like this ever since his job has been put under scrutiny. Look up the quotes from January, February, March period and then compare to the ones he's making now. Its hard to ever take him seriously because he contradicts himself on a weekly basis.

When its all said and done, he would've caused more damage and set us much further behind the pack than any of our previous 3 managers. Those who are lapping his non-sense up will see it for themselves once the reality sets in.
 
NewGlory said:
I would humbly suggest that you worry less about trying to guess what the popular opinion is and be more courageous in having your own observations and opinions, mate.

You are saying Poch is on a whole different level compared to Ole. With the same logic, Mourinho was way more accomplished and experienced than Poch. And we hired Mourinho, and he finished above Poch in one season + won us Europa League, but he wasn't able to rebuild the team. On the contrary, he eventually left the team in worse condition than what he inherited. So - what do you make of that?
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Yikes. A guy who actually had a team resembling a team until his cycle ended vs a guy who got cardiff relegated, plying his trade in Norway and now has Utd in 8th is somehow better than the former? You see how absurd that sounds.
 
The top coaches don’t take nearly two years to actually start the job, certainly not at a top club. the Financial cost of throwing seasons away is enormous, and the players you work with during that time get used to losing, you can’t just switch it on and it’s not as if there is one bit of evidence that OGS has ever built and improved a team over years.

I’d say this is his worst comment yet, he’s lowering the bar more and more. Surely you have to get rid of him now or the end of the season at the latest?
 
Random Task said:
Here's the thing, we wouldn't be looking to our fullbacks to provide an attacking outlet if our midfield and attack were doing their jobs correctly. AWB is a defender, primarily, his defensive duties take priority over his attacking duties by a distance.
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We should be though really. Barcelona used Dani Alaves as one of their main attacking outlets with Xavi and Iniesta in midfield. He was a world class outlet to have.

You need to threaten from multiple positions to be a great side and push the opposing side back. Creating overloads is what attacking football should be about these days and we are so poor at it.

We focus on our pace and low percentage shots / crosses more often than not. Really poor considering Barcelona showed us the future 10 years ago now and we never bothered to learn from our losses in those finals.
 
Will be interesting to see what happens the next time We face Jose and Pep. I doubt We'll see the same from them. Once his record against the big teams is over, We'll be left with a team that struggle against everyone, that cannot change things around.
 
If I'm really shit at my job after one year, missing all the milestones or KPI set by the company. Can I go and tell my higher management that I will get it right next year? Give me another year.

In reality, I won't even last the first year. Ole is a very lucky man.
 
Paul_Scholes18 said:
He has not complained that the wind in England makes it hard to play football and that we need a few seasonsd to coach the players into be able to deal with it. Klopp took 3 years to learn how to beat the wind and this is the first season he fully masters it.
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You mean the same Klopp, that got Liverpool to the Europa League final in his first half season. Got them to the CL final in his third season. Won the CL while being a whisker away from winning the PL against an incredible Man City side coached by Pep in his fourth season.

He is currently undefeated in the league and odds are Liverpool will be winning the PL while playing some nice football and having that swagger which we used to have under SAF.

Comparing Ole to him is not funny, it's downright insulting to Klopp as a manager.
 
NK86 said:
You mean the same Klopp, that got Liverpool to the Europa League final in his first half season. Got them to the CL final in his third season. Won the CL while being a whisker away from winning the PL against an incredible Man City side coached by Pep in his fourth season.

He is currently undefeated in the league and odds are Liverpool will be winning the PL while playing some nice football and having that swagger which we used to have under SAF.

Comparing Ole to him is not funny, it's downright insulting to Klopp as a manager.
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Plus Klopp had already won the Bundesliga with a Dortmund side he had built whilst playing incredible football. Ole hasn't proven anything to become Manchester United manager.
 
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