Ole Sack Watch

Should we replace the manager ?

  • Yes - Its time to make a change

    Votes: 3,004 87.8%

  • No - Give him more time

    Votes: 449 13.1%
  • Total voters
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TheLord said:
Some of folks in the anti-Rodgers camp seem to ignore the fact that there aren't too many top coaches available for coaching the United team right now.

There's no reason to believe that Rodgers will last beyond the summer window unless the team shows signs of genuine progress.

Anyone is better than Ole at the moment - at least that gives a tiny ray of hope for a top-four finish.
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Remember they have to pay to get Rodgers. They're not going to buy him out of his Leicester contract for the sake of 6 months temp.

If they get Rodgers he'll be here next season.
 
laughtersassassin said:
So the plan is to keep Ole for season.

Piss off all players so they want to leave.

New manager needs to do another rebuild.

Some absolute Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime are in charge at this club.
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Least the board can say there's no expectations on the new manager because we'll be at the start of a new rebuild, it's genius.
 
RUCK4444 said:
These random articles from the press confirm to me that they have no feckin' clue what we are planning on doing... because neither does the board/owners.

If the club doesn't know what it's doing then how do the press know. It's that simple. We are clueless and will just bumble along and see what happens until top four isn't achievable, that's my opinion.
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I think that's pretty much the jist of the article. It says that our succession plan is practically in place, 3 managers considered (Rodgers favourite right now) but that the club doesn't know when it will be implemented. I would love to know what this key factor is that is preventing the sacking Ole. All I can think is that they've promised SAF that they'll give him till a certain point to turn it around, which is naive when you consider the ups and downs under Ole for 3 years.
 
How soon have we come from "We're going to challenge for the league title this season", to "Ole has done a good job, now the next manager will have us challenging for titles", to "maybe we need another manager now, and the one after that will compete for trophies".
 
AltiUn said:
Least the board can say there's no expectations on the new manager because we'll be at the start of a new rebuild, it's genius.
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Nobody will accept that. If they go down that road and we have another season like this, then the next manager will be out. The supporters are sick of it now, there's no going down that road again for the club. They themselves have said they expected a title challenge this season.
 
kthanksbye said:
How soon have we come from "We're going to challenge for the league title this season", to "Ole has done a good job, now the next manager will have us challenging for titles", to "maybe we need another manager now, and the one after that will compete for trophies".
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Well done on missing the point. Tell me which manager will bring us the title next season?
 
devilish said:
I think that's the plan
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How many points should we lose and how many games should we get beaten before they say enough is enough! The performance alone against Liverpool and City at our home is more than enough to sack him as a respectful message to the fans at least.
 
Ah finally, solid journo in Luckhurst with some concrete news. It's a shame if this season has to be a write-ff and caretaker would be my preferred strategy. But I would rather wait til the end of the season to make the right appointment even if no CL, although that would be extremely unfortunate.

At least they are taking some action. It is proof of an incompetent board that they would appoint such an inexperienced manager and not have a contingency plan. I said a few times that Ole could turn out to be the next SAF, maybe he would learn to be given time, but it was quite obviously a risk so you would think there would be some concept of risk mitigation with clear contingency planning. Given the details they should have had a whole team or project based on that alone in the not unlikely event it didn't end up working out.
 
RedAlert7 said:
He's sitting 12th in the prem, with teams above him that have a lot worse squads than him. He bottles the league every year and misses out on champions league. Other than the FA cup and community shield with leicester last year hes won zilch in the 5 seasons hes managed in the prem with liverpool and leciester. He has a 50% win rate with both liverpool and leicester.

From this thread i can see how far utd fan standards have dropped. We shouldn't be getting him just because he's "better than ole", what small club mentality is this? Here's a spoiler not a prediction, if brendan signs with us we will not win a league title or champions league title in his tenure, he will eventually struggle to get top 4 before the inevitable sack...
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He's faced horrible luck with injuries this season, and as for missing the champions league - again, Leicester should have no business being in the top 4, especially with the squads us, Pool, City and Chelsea have. Likewise for the Liverpool league campaign - their squad wasn't all that and they were essentially a Gerrard slip away from winning it.

Its not about dropping standards, its about being realistic. No gettable manager is winning the league with this squad, but we could at least find one that has us playing good football, comfortably winning games we're expected to win, and at worst puts us in good stead to win the league for the next coach. Rodgers fits that bill well.

Its not just about finding anyone better than Ole. Every other manager in the PL is better than Ole who's quite frankly gutter tier, but I'm not advocating we appoint Thomas Frank, Sean Dyche or David Moyes. Rodgers by his own merit is a very good coach, and one that will eventually manage a big club again.
 
pocco said:
Nobody will accept that. If they go down that road and we have another season like this, then the next manager will be out. The supporters are sick of it now, there's no going down that road again for the club. They themselves have said they expected a title challenge this season.
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Course they will. New manager has a few half decent results and all of a sudden the entire fanbase will forget all the board's failings, it took until losing 5-0 at OT to get the home crowd mostly in the Ole out camp. The board might say they expected a title challenge but if that were the case he would've been gone ages ago. Regardless, this team is going to fall apart in summer, a rebuild is inevitable whether they like it or not. It's completely their own doing, no more than we deserve,
 
From the sound of it, they're prepared to limp on to the end of the season with Ole, and will only make a change before then if things get even worse. Can't wait.
 
Red Star One said:
I’m surprised Luis Enrique is held in such a high esteem here but to be fair I am not an expert on Spanish football so I’ve seen quite little of his league Barça games. Hoping it’s ten Hag as soon as possible.
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I'm surprised that Rodgers is held in such high esteem. He's a very good coach but he seems to be outright 1st choice.
 
pocco said:
Well done on missing the point. Tell me which manager will bring us the title next season?
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Poor question, if only it was that easy, but that doesn't mean we continue the downward spiral we're on, nothing is going to change magically.
 
AltiUn said:
Course they will. New manager has a few half decent results and all of a sudden the entire fanbase will forget all the board's failings, it took until losing 5-0 at OT to get the home crowd mostly in the Ole out camp. The board might say they expected a title challenge but if that were the case he would've been gone ages ago. Regardless, this team is going to fall apart in summer, a rebuild is inevitable whether they like it or not. It's completely their own doing, no more than we deserve,
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The Ole situation has only come to a head very slowly because of sentiment. Many of us were questioning things a long time ago - I think if Ole had never played for us then he would have been gone ages ago.
 
Santos J said:


Would like Enrique.
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I guess it’s encouraging that they’ve finally realised Ole ain’t the guy but still very worrying they think they can stick with him until the end of the season. Also Enrique’s going nowhere until after the World Cup so that’s a non starter imo as much as I’d like him.
 
TheLord said:
Some of folks in the anti-Rodgers camp seem to ignore the fact that there aren't too many top coaches available for coaching the United team right now.

There's no reason to believe that Rodgers will last beyond the summer window unless the team shows signs of genuine progress.

Anyone is better than Ole at the moment - at least that gives a tiny ray of hope for a top-four finish.
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Neither is Rodgers though.

He's currently still under contract at another club until 2025 so there's nothing that differentiates him from other candidates also still under contract besides being British which shouldn't even have any bearing at all when it comes to hiring a new manager.

It would be a tremendously uninspired signing and wouldn't bring us anywhere close to challenging the Chelsea's, City's and Liverpools.

Hope the rumors are false and if not,hope Leicester tell us to feck off for our sake.
 
kthanksbye said:
Poor question, if only it was that easy, but that doesn't mean we continue the downward spiral we're on, nothing is going to change magically.
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Your post implies we should be challenging for the league next season. You think any of the names mentioned guarantee that? I don't. They all could, but I wouldn't bet my house on it.
They're all good coaches and will have us in much better shape than we are now. I'm confident of that much.
 
pocco said:
Your post implies we should be challenging for the league next season. You think any of the names mentioned guarantee that? I don't. They all could, but I wouldn't bet my house on it.
They're all good coaches and will have us in much better shape than we are now. I'm confident of that much.
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Oh ok, Conte would've had us challenging for the title next season if the club backed him in the transfer market as much as they did Ole.
Obviously there's no guarantee it would've happened, but hiring a manager who has won the PL and Serie A (with more than 1 club) puts you in a better position than continuing with a manager who is trying to play Sancho at RWB.
 
Rolaholic said:
Neither is Rodgers though.

He's currently still under contract at another club until 2025 so there's nothing that differentiates him from other candidates also still under contract besides being British which shouldn't even have any bearing at all when it comes to hiring a new manager.

It would be a tremendously uninspired signing and wouldn't bring us anywhere close to challenging the Chelsea's, City's and Liverpools.

Hope the rumors are false and if not,hope Leicester tell us to feck off for our sake.
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I think the belief is that he'd probably jump at the chance to manage us as soon as we're ready. I doubt we'd even be first or second choice for the likes of Ten Hag, Zidane or Enrique.
 
pocco said:
If we didn't compete then he'll probably leave a team ready for the next top manager (probably not even around currently) to come and apply the finishing touches.
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Ole was the one supposedly getting the team ready for a top manager to take over.

So he's just been getting the team ready for a manager to get the team ready for a top manager.
 
If we don't make CL, Ronaldo is gone.
Pogba is already gone.
Cavani is going.

I'm sure some other will want to jump ship after a write off season.

Good luck to the new manager because he will be fecked having to replace all of the above which means the poor players like Fred and McTominay won't be being replaced.
 
kthanksbye said:
Oh ok, Conte would've had us challenging for the title next season if the club backed him in the transfer market as much as they did Ole.
Obviously there's no guarantee it would've happened, but hiring a manager who has won the PL and Serie A (with more than 1 club) puts you in a better position than continuing with a manager who is trying to play Sancho at RWB.
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He's not available. I was all for Conte, but we passed on the one manager that could have had us challenging. So who are you backing out of those left to have the same effect, practically, as Conte or Tuchel?

We both know that the managers available would need to prove themselves further to be considered in that bracket. But any of them, including Rodgers, could be that manager that makes the step up.
 
pocco said:
I think that's pretty much the jist of the article. It says that our succession plan is practically in place, 3 managers considered (Rodgers favourite right now) but that the club doesn't know when it will be implemented. I would love to know what this key factor is that is preventing the sacking Ole. All I can think is that they've promised SAF that they'll give him till a certain point to turn it around, which is naive when you consider the ups and downs under Ole for 3 years.
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See I think the hesitation to sack Ole means that we haven't even sounded out the potential replacements.

I don't think it's a promise to Sir Alex, although I think he's backed Ole, I think it's just a genuine panic about sacking Ole and not knowing who to turn to next, as they have no football men in the hierarchy able to take the bull by the horns.

I think money comes into the picture as well, as others have pointed out, it costs to let Ole and his staff go and it costs money to buy a new manager out of their contract, not to mention any players they want in January. Were going to take a hit on Pogba and have spent big last summer. It makes financial sense to stick with Ole, that's the worry.
 
hobbers said:
Ole was the one supposedly getting the team ready for a top manager to take over.

So he's just been getting the team ready for a manager to get the team ready for a top manager.
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The eternal rebuild.
The story of Manchester United post SAF.

Would make for a good documentary/book at least.
 
laughtersassassin said:
If we don't make CL, Ronaldo is gone.
Pogba is already gone.
Cavani is going.

I'm sure some other will want to jump ship after a write off season.

Good luck to the new manager because he will be fecked having to replace all of the above which means the poor players like Fred and McTominay won't be being replaced.
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Strange post .
Your making out we are losing Ronaldo and Cavani in their prime. As for Pogba, the quicker he leaves, the better.
 
pocco said:
He's not available. I was all for Conte, but we passed on the one manager that could have had us challenging. So who are you backing out of those left to have the same effect, practically, as Conte or Tuchel?

We both know that the managers available would need to prove themselves further to be considered in that bracket. But any of them, including Rodgers, could be that manager that makes the step up.
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Even if I ignore the fact that he's an ex liverpool manager, Suarez made him look better than he was there. He's not much better than Moyes, same with Poch, he's a decent manager and nothing more than that. I don't know how I would feel about either of them joining us.
I think we're on the same side here, I really love Ole and that is an additional reason that I want him gone, I hate to see him like this.

Guess we're just going to have to make do with Rogers or Poch, hope they can win something or look elsewhere.
 
TheLord said:
Some of folks in the anti-Rodgers camp seem to ignore the fact that there aren't too many top coaches available for coaching the United team right now.

There's no reason to believe that Rodgers will last beyond the summer window unless the team shows signs of genuine progress.

Anyone is better than Ole at the moment - at least that gives a tiny ray of hope for a top-four finish.
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I'd rather pay $50 million to Inter Miami for Phil Neville
 
Josh 76 said:
Strange post .
Your making out we are losing Ronaldo and Cavani in their prime. As for Pogba, the quicker he leaves, the better.
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I think he means it’s strange to write off the season in October only to keep a manager that acquired players on huge contracts in last years of their careers, so a very much short term solution. If it’s all known many of our crucial players will leave within a year or two, it doesn’t seem to smart to concede this season so early and enter inevitable post-Ole transition period next summer. We really really fecked up big time
 
ShinjiNinja26 said:
I guess it’s encouraging that they’ve finally realised Ole ain’t the guy but still very worrying they think they can stick with him until the end of the season. Also Enrique’s going nowhere until after the World Cup so that’s a non starter imo as much as I’d like him.
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Hopefully this is the case even if he manages to scrape top 4, we need an upgrade.
 
Bratt said:
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The fact these kind of tweets weren't coming out ages ago just goes to prove how shabbily we are run. Maybe if they had we could have seen some immediate reaction to the scouse drubbing and City training session at OT.
 
Josh 76 said:
Strange post .
Your making out we are losing Ronaldo and Cavani in their prime. As for Pogba, the quicker he leaves, the better.
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Not strange at all.

They will need to be replaced. And in the scenario I'm mentioning we will keeping much worse players than the ones I've mentioned.
 
Why should we care if the board are seemingly happy to write off a season in early November.
 
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