Ole Sack Watch
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I think I’ll throw the towel in if the clubs prime candidate for the club going forward is Brendan.
I just can’t invest as much energy as I usually do if that’s the clubs outlook.
I just can’t invest as much energy as I usually do if that’s the clubs outlook.
The article doesn't sound as depressing, basically they've accepted they need a change but we don't know when that will be. But it could be the end of the season.
I still feel like this is more crap from the club to keep fans off Ole's back. Approach any story like this with some cynicism is my advice.
They will cave if Watford beat us.
What's does that even mean? It was pretty obvious nothing was going to happen after Tuesday last week.
Good luck with that Glazers and Woodward.Say what you want about him as a person, or ex scouser, I get it. But he's a much better coach than Ole with all the principles that Ole promised. I just saw Goldbridge say he has more in common with SAF than Ole and I agree.
If you take somebody who is significantly better at coaching, and make this team significantly better coached than they are, then we will be there or thereabouts. That's my thinking. It might not be somebody like Rodgers that delivers us the title, but he would at the very least be the last step before that manager in my opinion. I don't think any option right now is guaranteed to win us the league, we probably won't go far wrong with any of the names mentioned. But Rodgers belongs in this discussion.
Anyone who states otherwise is just being ignorant.
Agree.
The club had spent ridiculous amount of money backing Ole. They genuinely believed that they were a step away from success. If they fire Ole then they'll have to give him and his coaches severance pay. They would also have to buy out a new manager's contract as well. This can run in tens of millions. On top of that the club seem resigned to get a massive hit by losing Pogba and Jesse for free + VDB on peanuts. They can't afford bringing in a new manager especially if its someone who will demand 1-2 new players in January as well.
I think the plan is pretty much clear. From now on they will try to hang on to Ole as much as they can while concurrently not backing him financially. Once he fails to make it to top 4 then they'll sack him.
I think the plan is pretty much clear. From now on they will try to hang on to Ole as much as they can while concurrently not backing him financially. Once he fails to make it to top 4 then they'll sack him.
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So the plan is to keep Ole for season.
Piss off all players so they want to leave.
New manager needs to do another rebuild.
Some absolute Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime are in charge at this club.
Piss off all players so they want to leave.
New manager needs to do another rebuild.
Some absolute Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime are in charge at this club.
Another three year build coming in.
Pretty much. Its actually a sad state of affairs at this club.
They will give the first season saying its a rebuild phase, bla bla bla, same story every 3 years.
Its a joke what the club has become.
Brendan Rodgers for crying out loud, why... why do we deserve this, look how he's doing with Leicester but apparently he's going to compete with the best with us? It's so bad
Can’t even get remotely excited about replacing Solskjær with Rodgers, both completely underwhelming and we’ll be having the exact same conversations in 2 season’s time. Can we just stop making awful appointments?
I think that's it. How long will they hold out for is the key. If by the arsenal game we have lost 2/3 then it would be a test of their nerve.
I agree on the whole with what you’ve said but at the same time I’m sick of stop gaps, ole was afforded time because he had a lot of work to do to turn us around and being Ole it was easy to get behind him whilst he made slow progress until this point where we have clearly gone backwards.
If anybody thinks Rodgers will be afforded anywhere near the same patience they are mad and if we know he probably won’t win us titles then why bother? That’s what I’m saying.
It’s not a critique of him as such becuase I’ve actually been complimentary of him multiple times during his time at various clubs.
It just smacks of a half-arsed appointment, when we REALLY need to get the next one right.
If we are going to go with a bit of risk then why not transition to a better style of play and ethos with somebody like Ten Haag, I’d rather play the long game with a better net result at the end than piss about with stop gaps whilst our squad gets older if we aren’t going to win things anyway with the likes of Brendan. But again I do respect him as a manager, just not ‘the absolute top choice for Manchester United’ as suggested in that article.
Think Rogers is going to be our next manager withing the next few weeks, probably after the Chelsea game.
All the Conte talk that he wants assurances (which was a lie), then the talk about Zidane rejecting us, which could also be a lie, and now this thing about him staying till the end of the season is to reduce the backlash when Rogers is appointed, they know the fans don't want him, so they're giving us the scare that Ole might stay till the end of the season, so that when Rogers comes, we don't get as mad.
All the Conte talk that he wants assurances (which was a lie), then the talk about Zidane rejecting us, which could also be a lie, and now this thing about him staying till the end of the season is to reduce the backlash when Rogers is appointed, they know the fans don't want him, so they're giving us the scare that Ole might stay till the end of the season, so that when Rogers comes, we don't get as mad.
You're in the Ole sack watch thread - what do you expect? Most here are fed up of him. As mentioned previously, you've been an ardent supporter of his since he was appointed so don't really expect you to understand.
What's wrong with what he's done at Leicester? With their squad and resources they have no business competing for top 4 yet he's kept them consistently close enough there, and delivered them an FA cup beating Tuchel's Chelsea.
The amount of disrespect Rodgers receives is baffling, he's 10x the coach Ole is and will likely do very well with our squad and resources and get us playing attractive football to boot. We're not getting Zidane or Ten Hag.
Man if Rodgers is the next manager, this will be the quickest I would be "Manager Out" of all the previous managers. I am not even going to give him his initial press conference before I start moaning.
Because it's simply that bad under Ole. The problem is there isn't a Pep, Klopp, Tuchel available - we stood and watched them go elsewhere. The thing is, Rodgers, Poch whoever will coach these players within an inch of their lives and get us functioning much better. I can't say 100% that this wouldn't bring us a title. You can't say for sure, nobody can. We have a seriously good team, a bit of structure might just tip the balance, who know?
But the worst option right now is to stand still and stick with Ole, because it's got that bad. So it absolutely is worth bothering because hanging on to Ole until another Pep comes along is unthinkable.
Rodgers is far better than Ole without a doubt but is he better than Ten Haag or Poch who seem to be the other candidates.
Ten Haag is no guarantee either but who is, he's not managed in the Prem, built a good Ajax team but has the biggest budget in a uncompetitive league.
Poch hasn't won anything but did well with Spurs despite having a smaller budget than the other top clubs, doesn't seem to want to be at PSG where the players run things.
Rodgers, well you can deny it all you like, but his time with the self pity lot does cloud judgement, he's done OK at Leicester, they play good football and are organised, however he doesn't get over the finish line although they did win the FA Cup, so no outstanding, must have candidate for me but I do know Ole isn't good enough
Ten Haag is no guarantee either but who is, he's not managed in the Prem, built a good Ajax team but has the biggest budget in a uncompetitive league.
Poch hasn't won anything but did well with Spurs despite having a smaller budget than the other top clubs, doesn't seem to want to be at PSG where the players run things.
Rodgers, well you can deny it all you like, but his time with the self pity lot does cloud judgement, he's done OK at Leicester, they play good football and are organised, however he doesn't get over the finish line although they did win the FA Cup, so no outstanding, must have candidate for me but I do know Ole isn't good enough
If ardent supporter means defending him against nonsense on here when he was performing above my expectations and finishing 2nd and 3rd then yes. He clearly hasn't this season so you won't find anything from me saying otherwise.
But when the alternative is an expensive move to Brendan Rodgers I can also see why we haven't. Is that the 'standard' you are talking about, Rodgers?
OK so I've come to terms now that we will finish outside top 4 and won't get through knockout stages in champions league. Roll on summer 2022.
Would you rather keep Ole?
Sincere question.
That's the risk the club are now taking. Would the Poch or Ten Hag want to give up CL football to come and try to rescue us?
He's sitting 12th in the prem, with teams above him that have a lot worse squads than him. He bottles the league every year and misses out on champions league. Other than the FA cup and community shield with leicester last year hes won zilch in the 5 seasons hes managed in the prem with liverpool and leciester. He has a 50% win rate with both liverpool and leicester.
From this thread i can see how far utd fan standards have dropped. We shouldn't be getting him just because he's "better than ole", what small club mentality is this? Here's a spoiler not a prediction, if brendan signs with us we will not win a league title or champions league title in his tenure, he will eventually struggle to get top 4 before the inevitable sack...
What fans opinion? its the entire planet saying the same thing including football experts (except his bodies Keane and Gary) that he is not good enough.
We should be trying to better ourselves with a better manager even if it's just to secure 4th place now the top 3 is probably a lockout. This idea we should keep Ole because there's no Klopp or Pep beater is crazy. We need to keep improving and be ready with a decent manager for when our rivals either have their managers leave or hit injuries or they just fizzle out a little, change of players etc. A decent manager has a good chance of a major trophy. I cited Tuchel as a good manager we should've hired, he wasn't considered elite but now has been added to the Klopp Pep list of unbeatables, we shouldn't keep letting current better managers go elsewhere with the spending power we have. One day the spending power will be gone if we keep down this road of trying to find some chip off the old block or hiring these past it managers.
It's not just the manager but we have a list of staff that only have a history of failing.
The only thing they can do is "go again". We're WeGoAgainFC.
It's not just the manager but we have a list of staff that only have a history of failing.
The only thing they can do is "go again". We're WeGoAgainFC.
What I'm responding to is the article stating Brendan is apparently the absolute top choice Manager for the club. In no world should Brendan be the top choice manager for Manchester United and that's coming from somebody who rates him probably more than most.
I agree he will be an improvement on Ole but it won't last, he won't win trophies and being a former manager of the Scousers the clock will be ticking on his exit from the moment he arrives. What makes you think that whilst Brendan is here we won't miss out on the likes of Ten Haag or other promising managers that might be the next big thing?
What do we think Rodgers will achieve? 2nd? Well we had that last year with Ole and it was nowhere near good enough for most here. That's why I can't be bothered with the whole circus of it all if it doesn't represent true ambition and a desire to win the league.
I think what I'm getting at is that you shouldn't make an appointment knowing it's not the best we can possibly get. And I don't think he is the best we can possibly get. IMO either Ten Haag and Zidane would be a better and a more ambitious appointment. But the club are willing to 'settle' for less, that much we know.
The board deserve a couple of seasons finishing out of Europe, under ole this season and Brendan next. Faster we fail under Bodger and sack him the better.
This can't be true. Even for our club. It is only november ffs. And our plan is to keep him whole season and then replace him. No logic at all
These random articles from the press confirm to me that they have no feckin' clue what we are planning on doing... because neither does the board/owners.
If the club doesn't know what it's doing then how do the press know. It's that simple. We are clueless and will just bumble along and see what happens until top four isn't achievable, that's my opinion.
If the club doesn't know what it's doing then how do the press know. It's that simple. We are clueless and will just bumble along and see what happens until top four isn't achievable, that's my opinion.
I think it’s becoming obvious Ole won’t be United’s manager next season, unless he magically wins the CL or something. Even top four alone won’t save him this season with the squad he has assembled and the money he’s allowed to spend. Think the club are privately conducting interviews for a new manager behind the scenes and the players have also been promised that
Indeed. I remember there was this guy claiming it was rosy because we were poor but it was only 7 games in.
People like that should not be in charge of a football club.
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Although fan sentiment has called for the heads of each of our managers well before the club finally bit the bullet. Moyes should have been sacked earlier, LVG earlier (although he did get us that FA Cup), Jose earlier and now Ole earlier. The fans have pretty much always been right in thinking that these managers wont turn it around.
Some of folks in the anti-Rodgers camp seem to ignore the fact that there aren't too many top coaches available for coaching the United team right now.
There's no reason to believe that Rodgers will last beyond the summer window unless the team shows signs of genuine progress.
Anyone is better than Ole at the moment - at least that gives a tiny ray of hope for a top-four finish.
There's no reason to believe that Rodgers will last beyond the summer window unless the team shows signs of genuine progress.
Anyone is better than Ole at the moment - at least that gives a tiny ray of hope for a top-four finish.
The ex-Liverpool thing doesn't bother me personally. If it was Gerrard then yes. When I look at what he has done at Swansea and how highly rated (even on here) he was at that point, or how absolutely dominant he was at Celtic, or nearly winning the league with a weak Liverpool team, it all points to a good manager. Even at Leicester he has took a second rate team and had them in the top 4 picture (until this season so far), only missing out in the last game of each season I believe. The FA Cup win. If he had never been at Liverpool, this place would be falling over themselves asking us to hire him.
With regards to your second paragraph, I tend to agree. The clock will be ticking unless he gets us playing well, which he is capable of. However, the thought of him getting sacked after 12/18/24 months doesn't bother me. We need to be more ruthless as a whole. If Ten Hag comes in and can't translate his football to our team then I would expect the same for him, or anybody else. It's simply the nature of the beast unless you find that one very good manager. I don't know if ETH is the next big thing or if he even wants this job, which I suspect is the problem there. But if Rodgers does well, gets us playing good football but we ultimately aren't competing in both the PL and CL, and another really good manager comes available, then I would expect us to seriously consider us making the jump. I have been consistent about this point for a long time - we need to be ruthless with our managers and stop pretending there is a 'United Way' that means we must operate differently to other top teams that are winning everything currently.
Personally, I expect that Rodgers could potentially have us challenging. I don't think it is beyond his abilities, especially with this squad. But I also expect that we'll play better, more organised football also. And if we did even just that last part, I think we'd all feel a hell of a lot better about our situation. If we didn't compete then he'll probably leave a team ready for the next top manager (probably not even around currently) to come and apply the finishing touches.
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