It’s got to a point now where seeing his face genuinely annoys me 
I need a break.
I need a break.
Ole Sack Watch
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Coward options.
Conte has the Prem experience and the title winning experience. Poch would be a reasonable choice to have made 2 years ago, not so much now. Brentan is in a lower tier than either.
What is the board seeing that we are not seeing what is Ole smoking?
I think the question is whether Ole will put Utd in a worse position if he stays? A worse position would be dropping out of the Champions league and/or dropping to 9th/10th place. These are both very real possibilities given Utd tough fixture list.
I think you have to give him at least until the City game. If he wins the next 2 fixtures then he deserves to stay until the end of the season. My thinking behind that is Utd will almost certainly qualify from the group if they beat Atalanta. They will also have plenty of time to claw their way back into top 4.
For the record I think Ole is a terrible manager but getting someone new in right now would feel rushed.
I think you have to give him at least until the City game. If he wins the next 2 fixtures then he deserves to stay until the end of the season. My thinking behind that is Utd will almost certainly qualify from the group if they beat Atalanta. They will also have plenty of time to claw their way back into top 4.
For the record I think Ole is a terrible manager but getting someone new in right now would feel rushed.
I adored him as a player but this is precisely the reason why I've called him a fraud at various times during his current tenure as our manager and will continue to do so. Saying 'hands up, my fault' several times only to come out and say this sort of shit screams cowardice, effectively showing no accountability on his incompetence whatsoever, and in my opinion it's absolutely fine to call this bullshit out regardless of whose mouth it comes out of.
I find it sad that the narrative has become we have only been poor for a few weeks.
Below par performances have been a central theme of Ole's time here. We are poor in up to 70% of our games.
Below par performances have been a central theme of Ole's time here. We are poor in up to 70% of our games.
Yep this isn't exactly the first time he's been on the edge of being sacked, that Burnely game when we lost at home was horrific, the rage I remember feeling after that was unreal for example. Obviously this is the worst to the point where he's over the edge and hanging on by his finger tips.
Another thing he has expertly managed the narrative to reduce our poor run to one bad game, you're right he knows what he is doing.
That still leaves Maguire up there.
What a load of shite. I want him gone as much as you but he’s a United man through and through. He’s been saying for years that no one is entitled to anything at Old Trafford.
He might have been saying that, especially before he got the job.
Since he got the job he’s been lowering expectations around trophies, he’s crashed in the Europa League twice without a hint that he might resign, he’s been telling everyone last week that you’re “close” and now he’s conflating his period as a player with his management period. All while spending way more than any other coach and, as he admits, not leading ANY coaching sessions. - Considering this is all while at a top club I’d say he seems to think he’s entitled to underperform (and overspend).
“Man United through and through” - Maybe but what does that really mean? That he’d give up if it was for the good of the club? It’s only human that he might put his own needs above his club’s needs, plenty have done it before and he was out of Molde like a shot. Maybe some in Norway thought he was “Molde through and through”. In the end that doesn’t actually mean much. He’s not doing this for free and he gets paid more than Klopp as far as I know.
That’s why someone should make the right decision for him as it seems he won’t do it.
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Thought losing 0-5 at home to your fiercest rivals would do that.
Yup with fans walking out midway through. Apparantly not
I think a defeat to Spurs with their whole stadium chanting “Ole’s at the wheel” would be the final nail. It would be beyond embarrassing for the club at that point.
Point is we have no idea what these Muppets are up to. Infested club from top to bottom.
I’m just praying it’s his final game. My biggest worry is he flukes these next 3 games and the clowns on the board give him the rest of the season.
I wouldn't be all that surprised, it's the Muppets show to be fair.
This is by design. United are like a family business it seems. Jobs for mates, fat contracts. Woodward brought in his friend from Uni. Ole brought in his friends. Ole friends protecting him in the media. Whole Glazer family on the board of directors. It is a farce.
Farce is an understatement. We’re currently the worst run of the all the big clubs in Europe, and considering the state Barcelona are in that takes some doing.
I’m most sad that all hope is gone now, I’ve always been highly doubtful he’d ever be remotely close to good enough as nothing on his CV pointed to that. That said, I could get pulled in by one of his good runs and think, who knows, maybe I’m wrong, maybe just maybe.
I don’t give a feck if he wins the next 3, I know for sure we’ll just feck up and go on a shitty run again in December, or Jan and we’ll finish on 70-ish points or so. The football we play has always been unsustainable for a side looking for the consistency needed to win big trophies and after three years and a shit load of money, it’s good that most people are on the same page now. It’s time for a new chapter at Manchester United.
For every other manager that has been in charge post fergie you could create a what if for except ole.
As bad as moyes tenure was you could say what if he wasn't saddle with a complete novice in woodward or being the 1st guy that had to replace fergie.
Then you have van gaal, you could say what if whilst managing united he wasn't also saddled with mission impossible of having to have giggs as his assistant because people higher up at the club wanted van gaal to groom him into the next united manager.
Or if we had given van gaal an extra season to see where our squad could have gone with his nurturing of rashford and martial.
Then there is Mourinho, that what if with him was the board blocking a lot of transfer ins and outs of the club, ask yourself would we have been better off at least short term of swapping martial for perisic? Or selling on pogba when we could have still fetched a very good fee, or mourinho very likely making sure to get Herrera to sign a new contract and of course in his last season when he asked to sign Maguire at a cheaper price than he eventually cost us but was blocked by woodward.
There are no what if's with ole, he has got what he wanted in the transfer market with a generous transfer budget to create his version of united and been allowed to move on the likes of lukaku and sanchez with no push back from the board.
As bad as moyes tenure was you could say what if he wasn't saddle with a complete novice in woodward or being the 1st guy that had to replace fergie.
Then you have van gaal, you could say what if whilst managing united he wasn't also saddled with mission impossible of having to have giggs as his assistant because people higher up at the club wanted van gaal to groom him into the next united manager.
Or if we had given van gaal an extra season to see where our squad could have gone with his nurturing of rashford and martial.
Then there is Mourinho, that what if with him was the board blocking a lot of transfer ins and outs of the club, ask yourself would we have been better off at least short term of swapping martial for perisic? Or selling on pogba when we could have still fetched a very good fee, or mourinho very likely making sure to get Herrera to sign a new contract and of course in his last season when he asked to sign Maguire at a cheaper price than he eventually cost us but was blocked by woodward.
There are no what if's with ole, he has got what he wanted in the transfer market with a generous transfer budget to create his version of united and been allowed to move on the likes of lukaku and sanchez with no push back from the board.
What! How do you work that out? How about he wins the next 3 and loses the next 6 does he deserve it then? He doesnt deserve anything, he has to earn it and winning 2 games has earned feck all
I don't care about wins and losses right now. I just want to see coherent football. I saw it with Klopp, Tuchel, and Pep as soon as they took over. In 3 years I've still yet to see anything from Ole.
He's just crap and talk of wins is just wishful thinking.
He's just crap and talk of wins is just wishful thinking.
If we think back to the last 18 months and how it could have been with a decent coach/manager in place.
1. Semi final Carabao cup
2. Semi final FA Cup
3. Semi final Europa League
4. Semi final Carabao cup
5. Final of Europa League
6. Second in premiership
With Ole we failed in every single one of those. With someone like Conte in charge id say be bag at least 2 trophies. There is no way he would have lost to villa real. That was the final straw for me as the in game management was appalling . Winning the next three games will not change anything.
1. Semi final Carabao cup
2. Semi final FA Cup
3. Semi final Europa League
4. Semi final Carabao cup
5. Final of Europa League
6. Second in premiership
With Ole we failed in every single one of those. With someone like Conte in charge id say be bag at least 2 trophies. There is no way he would have lost to villa real. That was the final straw for me as the in game management was appalling . Winning the next three games will not change anything.
Jesus. That was scarily accurate.
We are on a new record to the bottom. And that's rock bottom.
Same but evidently not.
People are now talking about him not getting any more “heavy losses”
christ
all losses are heavy
Sack him now
christ
all losses are heavy
Sack him now
I'm just reading through this thread from the last time I was in it, and this post made me laugh as we're now mid-day Saturday, four days after it, and not a peep out of the club.
If there's one trophy we're always in the running for these days, it's most incompetently run club in the world. At least the likes of Barcelona are the footballing incarnation of a guy off on a coke-fuelled binge who has no idea where the night will take him, but is eager to find out - we're utterly adrift and bumble from one malady to another, by contrast in a way that is unfathomable for a club of such magnitude. In fact it beggars belief that after all this time the Glazers haven't figured out that you get football people in to run the club whilst you sit back and pilfer the profits.
I don't know which is worse: how we are on the pitch, or how we are off it. Actually, I do - in a grand scale of how clubs are run, we're surely somewhere around mid-table in league 2.
Fk me.
Just listening to his interview on Soccer Saturday.
Absolutely fecking clueless.
I'm sorry but he just ain't got it.
Just listening to his interview on Soccer Saturday.
Absolutely fecking clueless.
I'm sorry but he just ain't got it.
Agreed. Some of the pundits and their opinions are absolutely based on nothing.
I can’t believe they’ve not said a word either way - are they really that out of touch with what’s going on?
I doubt it. To about-face after what should have been the last straw last weekend…
I think you already know the answer to that. Just read through this thread from the time of the post of yours I quoted and the expectations people had of what the club would or wouldn't be doing in the-then pending future, and then look at what has actually happened with the media having an absolute field day at our expense. It really is bemusing to read through this thread in hindsight and see that whatever bar was set has been lowered by those in 'charge'.
What boggles my mind is, even if you don't care about football, are far enough away and detached from the happenings on the other side of the world, tanking your investment by having your support in such disarray and discontent is an absolute no-no. They're aware enough to know they had to speak after the Super League debacle - is there no talk amongst shareholders about what's going on? What are they being told? How do you leave your fanbase in the lurch from Sunday straight through to the next game 6 days afterward?
They worry me more than anything I see from Ole and co on the pitch.
It truly is remarkable that we moved on from a 0-5 to Liverpool at home like nothing really happened. Just a few PR tweets & messages and on we go.
Unfortunately I do know the answer to it, and they’ve confirmed it beyond any doubt this week
There’s a few posts comparing our current predicament with pre 1990 under SAF.
On one hand it sounds spurious because of what SAF had achieved with Aberdeen. On the other hand SAF had a good squad and did very badly for a long time (when you look at 89-90, things were diabolical even compared to this season and that’s undeniable).
The similarity is the apparent crossroads that the board faced then and now, their convictions being sorely tested under intense media pressure. Do they believe they have the right man? Does a dodgy spell and one terrible result change that?
SAF became a great manager and proved it over a long period. There was a time when he was widely considered to be inept, not up to it and out of his depth. I suppose most people don’t remember those days but believe me there was nothing good about them.
I wanted SAF out then, I want Ole out now, because we can only go on what we’re seeing, that’s just the way it goes.
On one hand it sounds spurious because of what SAF had achieved with Aberdeen. On the other hand SAF had a good squad and did very badly for a long time (when you look at 89-90, things were diabolical even compared to this season and that’s undeniable).
The similarity is the apparent crossroads that the board faced then and now, their convictions being sorely tested under intense media pressure. Do they believe they have the right man? Does a dodgy spell and one terrible result change that?
SAF became a great manager and proved it over a long period. There was a time when he was widely considered to be inept, not up to it and out of his depth. I suppose most people don’t remember those days but believe me there was nothing good about them.
I wanted SAF out then, I want Ole out now, because we can only go on what we’re seeing, that’s just the way it goes.
That interview says to me the board is in spin doctor mode and he's in the job until the end of the season at least, no matter what. He'll probably have been given revised objectives like top 4 in the league and to go as deep in Europe as possible.
They can promise what they want. If he loses the next two games he’s gone.
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