Ole Sack Watch

Should we replace the manager ?

  • Yes - Its time to make a change

    Votes: 3,004 87.8%
  • No - Give him more time

    Votes: 449 13.1%

  • Total voters
    3,423
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Watching that press conference I'm reminded of Sean Connery's line in "The Rock" "Losers whine about doing their best....winners go home and feck the prom queen"

I'm not 100% sold that Conte is the best fit for us, but his determination to win shouldn't be something that puts us off making him the next manager.
 
Now, I might be imaginging this, but it looks like the 'No - give him more time' camp has slightly increased over the last 24 hours or so.

How did that happen exactly?
If I’d hazard a guess it would be the Conte factor, people have seen a lot of him and don’t think he’d work out here. Ten Haag is at Ajax until next season and the other candidates just aren’t all that.

THIS was my chief reason for giving him extra leeway.

This season so far has changed my opinion though, I think we should just let Ole take us through to the end of the season IF we can like up Ten Haag for next season.

Pointless gambling on a caretaker like Fletcher who hasn’t managed any club previously let alone United.

That’s what I’d like to think we’re going to do.
In reality we are probably mindlessly determining if Ole stays based on the next three games and haven’t even approached a manager like Ten Haag, if Ole loses we will just throw the job to Conte solely because he’s available.
 
That’s not a different take and it’s been said 500 times over the past few days.

Your SAF and Ole story and historic parallels, now that was unique (and hilarious).

Does it feel good to attack people online?
 
If I’d hazard a guess it would be the Conte factor, people have seen a lot of him and don’t think he’d work out here. Ten Haag is at Ajax until next season and the other candidates just aren’t all that.

THIS was my chief reason for giving him extra leeway.

This season so far has changed my opinion, I think we should just let Ole take us through to the end of the season IF we can like up Ten Haag for next season.

Pointless gambling on a caretaker like Fletcher who hasn’t managed any club previously let alone United.

That’s what I’d like to think we’re going to do.
In reality we are probably mindlessly determining if Ole stays based on the next three games and haven’t even approached a manager like Ten Haag, if Ole loses we will just throw the job to Conte solely because he’s available.

The board has distanced themselves from Ten Hag because he reminds them of moyes (lol). So there's no way we are competent enough to try to go after him. I genuinely think they want poch and if it's a choice between him and Conte, I take Conte 100 times out of 100.

Plus I think the more time ole stays here the further we slip behind. The players will become more and more disillusioned and some will to leave creating yet another stupid project that keep talking about three years instead of competing now like that squad is built to do
 
Two things. One - Mourinho was backed. Extensively. We spent fortunes. Anyone who thinks otherwise is in cuckoo land. The fact he didn’t rate either of the 2 CBs he paid 60m to bring in is on him. Two - this entire forum has been calling for a model where the club make signings. A structure that isn’t dependent on one man. They’ve done that - yes the manager is part of the process but he isn’t the process. Conte wants total control. Again, I totally understand why they’d be reluctant to give him that.

I fully agree on the Mourinho part. Neither he nor LvG can claim that they weren't backed by the board. And if either of them wishes to point toward Guardiola at City, the answer would be that the Catalan has produced both the results and the right aesthetics which justify his further backing.

I also subscribe to the notion that there should be an overarching philosophy in regard to the transfer policy and the overall shape of the squad. And it really should not have taken us five years (LvG and Mou eras) and having been burned twice to realize that. But the people who will be in charge of this should be looking forward and not backward when they're searching for the right answers.

For what it's worth, my opinion is that the chances of appointing Conte are very slim, even if the willingness on our part exists. He's very thorough and very straightforward. He may have said that he can work with this squad, but that doesn't necessarily mean that he's absolutely happy with it. If we decide to open talks with him, Conte will tell us -before he puts his signature on a contract- that he wants a, b and c done next summer. And unlike Solskjaer, who hinted early on toward a high line and a false #9 but then went on to sign Maguire and Ighalo/Cavani/Ronaldo, Conte has a ready-made system with specific roles in his mind. He's not going to keep patting Martial on the back for two seasons because (presumably) the higher-ups believe that he's a special talent.

And this is why i worry. If this top-heavy squad and the negligence of the midfield area is something that that's been agreed as the best way to go between the board and Solskjaer, we are in deep trouble. I'm saying this because i suspect that whenever they all sit down at the table to discuss these matters, they all think: "what would Fergie do?". The problem with this line of thinking is that things like playing two men upfront by sacrificing a body in the midfield was a well-thought, well-planned decision by the great man. Not a drawing on a piece of paper.

What i mean is that we decide to reject (someone like) Conte on the premise that he won't start all of Marcus, Mason, Jadon, Bruno, Ronnie and possibly Pogba in the same line-up and that he will throw his toys out of the pram because of that, we'll be the ones with the bigger problem a year or two down the line. Not Conte, who will find work elsewhere.
 
Imagine the board being scared of success that Conte represents. Rodgers, fml.
 
If I’d hazard a guess it would be the Conte factor, people have seen a lot of him and don’t think he’d work out here. Ten Haag is at Ajax until next season and the other candidates just aren’t all that.

THIS was my chief reason for giving him extra leeway.

This season so far has changed my opinion though, I think we should just let Ole take us through to the end of the season IF we can like up Ten Haag for next season.

Pointless gambling on a caretaker like Fletcher who hasn’t managed any club previously let alone United.

That’s what I’d like to think we’re going to do.
In reality we are probably mindlessly determining if Ole stays based on the next three games and haven’t even approached a manager like Ten Haag, if Ole loses we will just throw the job to Conte solely because he’s available.

I mean, getting stuck with Conte as your sole option is hardly a travesty. The guy has seen and done it all as a player and a manager, winning trophies everywhere he goes. He's a top football manager any way you slice it. He can handle the big egos we currently have at the club too, which is as important as anything else right now.

I like Ten Hag too, the work he's done at Ajax cannot be ignored. Also, recruiting him could pave the way for VDS further down the line. Imagine the pair of them running the show at OT.
 
If I’d hazard a guess it would be the Conte factor, people have seen a lot of him and don’t think he’d work out here. Ten Haag is at Ajax until next season and the other candidates just aren’t all that.

THIS was my chief reason for giving him extra leeway.

This season so far has changed my opinion though, I think we should just let Ole take us through to the end of the season IF we can like up Ten Haag for next season.

Pointless gambling on a caretaker like Fletcher who hasn’t managed any club previously let alone United.

That’s what I’d like to think we’re going to do.
In reality we are probably mindlessly determining if Ole stays based on the next three games and haven’t even approached a manager like Ten Haag, if Ole loses we will just throw the job to Conte solely because he’s available.

The absolute worst decision the club can take is to continue with a incompetent manager like Solskjaer.

Right now his presence hinders any form of necessary changes because of his unhealthy relationship with Woodward and the owners. The long term damages with keeping him and accept mediocrity could cost us more then just bad results.

The majority of us supporters has lost faith in everything he does, the toxicity will continue until his gone and that will never help us moving forward.The media is smelling blood, every bad result will start speculations about his and the clubs future. It will be almost impossible for him to keep focus and canalize his and the squads energy in the right direction.

We have several players wanting to leave the club. Pogba and Lingard is on outgoing contracts. Cavani is on his way out. Every draw and loss will start speculations about their future.

Our only way to stop this down going spiral is to immediately change manager and shift focus how to in a best possible way move forward.

Ten Haag is a very exiting prospect as an upcoming successful manager. Ajax looking great with him at the wheel. But there are serious concerns about how much of the success is up to him or how much is because he manage a well organized club with a great academy and excellent executives. In the negative column is his lack of experience outside the Netherlands, never managed a club in one of the big leagues. Going from Ajax to United is very huge step.

As it stands Anthony Conte is our best option by a country mile. Proven CV with 3 giant clubs and a serial winner. Not to mention his good work with Atalanta. Has the courage and balls to challenge mediocrity, exactly what’s needed in our club. His tactical knowledge is top notch and he has experience winning the PL. Apart from his famous temper that works both with and against him he’s the perfect choice for a club in our position.

United can’t continue with a incompetent manager any longer. Our competitors is to good for that. Another lost season would be devastating.
 


He is staying. Let’s get behind the team tomorrow lads!

Can Ole feck off with this shit? Nobody is talking about his time as a player here. It's his managerial qualities that are worrying. I don't care if he is George Best himself - if he is not fit to be the manager, he's out. And Ole is far from fit... nor is he George Best, for that matter.
 


He is staying. Let’s get behind the team tomorrow lads!


why’s he trying to merge his playing and managerial career together here? They’re two completely separate things. I love Ole the player who is a legend of this club and always will be, however I think Ole the manager is out of his depth and the quicker he’s sacked the better.
 
The absolute worst decision the club can take is to continue with a incompetent manager like Solskjaer.

Right now his presence hinders any form of necessary changes because of his unhealthy relationship with Woodward and the owners. The long term damages with keeping him and accept mediocrity could cost us more then just bad results.

The majority of us supporters has lost faith in everything he does, the toxicity will continue until his gone and that will never help us moving forward.The media is smelling blood, every bad result will start speculations about his and the clubs future. It will be almost impossible for him to keep focus and canalize his and the squads energy in the right direction.

We have several players wanting to leave the club. Pogba and Lingard is on outgoing contracts. Cavani is on his way out. Every draw and loss will start speculations about their future.

Our only way to stop this down going spiral is to immediately change manager and shift focus how to in a best possible way move forward.

Ten Haag is a very exiting prospect as an upcoming successful manager. Ajax looking great with him at the wheel. But there are serious concerns about how much of the success is up to him or how much is because he manage a well organized club with a great academy and excellent executives. In the negative column is his lack of experience outside the Netherlands, never managed a club in one of the big leagues. Going from Ajax to United is very huge step.

As it stands Anthony Conte is our best option by a country mile. Proven CV with 3 giant clubs and a serial winner. Not to mention his good work with Atalanta. Has the courage and balls to challenge mediocrity, exactly what’s needed in our club. His tactical knowledge is top notch and he has experience winning the PL. Apart from his famous temper that works both with and against him he’s the perfect choice for a club in our position.

United can’t continue with a incompetent manager any longer. Our competitors is to good for that. Another lost season would be devastating.

Good post. Just one question, Who the feck is Anthony Conte?
 
Actually it's 3 years Ole. 3 years as manager. Unfortunately.

This. A thousand times this. It's not about a few weeks or "this season" as some of his hardcore fans on here make you believe. It's his whole fecking tenure here as a manager, that has not been good enough.
 
the way we have looked in the last few weeks, it will be extremely difficult to win any of those 3 games.
 
why’s he trying to merge his playing and managerial career together here? They’re two completely separate things. I love Ole the player who is a legend of this club and always will be, however I think Ole the manager is out of his depth and the quicker he’s sacked the better.
I don’t understand this point. He’s literally the same man. A different job doesn’t make him a different person.
 
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What if he does well in next 3 and then return back to usual way in 3 after that. This is why these deadlines are silly. 3 years and we rely on individual brilliance to make difference should be enough to sack him.
 
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Considering and Monitoring FC.

I sincerely hope they've already decided his fate, but are keeping him to take the heat for the upcoming tough fixtures and have Conte, in the mean time, looking at the squad - see what needs to be fixed, where are our deficiencies, etc, so that when he comes after the international break, he'd have an easy start and can start to implement his system without any road bumps along the way. Sincerely hope that is the case, albeit this type of proactivity would be too smart for the clowns in charge of the club.
 
What if he does well in next 3 and then return back to usual way in 3 after that. This is why these deadlines are silly. 3 years and we rely on individual brilliance to make difference should be enough to sack him.

The pressure for the coaching staff to be consistent and creating a team that plays competitive football is everything at this point. 3 wins and a bunch of losses isn't something that will save Ole and his clown posse. Besides there's no f'n way this team can put 3 wins together, anytime soon.

Our defense is utterly horrible.

McGuire isn't a leader by any stretch of any footy imagination. That much has been proven.
Luke Shaw isn't what anyone imagined he might be, compared to last season.
Wan-Bassaka appears more interested in being a midfielder that can't pass a ball for shit and has zero vision for getting balls to a player in the box when he's playing WAY out of position.


This are our starting defenders and nobody wants to admit that it's as bad as it is. Sure, Ronaldo will score and Bruno will create chances, but the balance sheet will keep coming up short
 
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Considering and Monitoring FC.

I sincerely hope they've already decided his fate, but are keeping him to take the heat for the upcoming tough fixtures and have Conte, in the mean time, looking at the squad - see what needs to be fixed, where are our deficiencies, etc, so that when he comes after the international break, he'd have an easy start and can start to implement his system without any road bumps along the way. Sincerely hope that is the case, albeit this type of proactivity would be too smart for the clowns in charge of the club.
yeah I somehow can't see this club planning ahead like that. We'll probably eke out a result tomorrow and they'll pat themselves on the backs for sticking with Ole, then go back to scramble mode after City takes us behind the woodshed.
 
Considering and Monitoring FC.

I sincerely hope they've already decided his fate, but are keeping him to take the heat for the upcoming tough fixtures and have Conte, in the mean time, looking at the squad - see what needs to be fixed, where are our deficiencies, etc, so that when he comes after the international break, he'd have an easy start and can start to implement his system without any road bumps along the way. Sincerely hope that is the case, albeit this type of proactivity would be too smart for the clowns in charge of the club.
This should have been on the table after our hapless defeat to YB. And I say this as a Ole inner until that time.

Several games too late to be thinking about this, but it's better late than never I suppose.
 
I still think don't he's getting sacked mid-season.

Even if he somehow does, the club seem to have pulled the plug on Conte, so it'll be another wasted season if a caretaker is brought in.
 
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Spits in the face of any laughable claims that he hasn't been backed sufficiently enough that I saw this week
 
If I’d hazard a guess it would be the Conte factor, people have seen a lot of him and don’t think he’d work out here. Ten Haag is at Ajax until next season and the other candidates just aren’t all that.

THIS was my chief reason for giving him extra leeway.

This season so far has changed my opinion though, I think we should just let Ole take us through to the end of the season IF we can like up Ten Haag for next season.

Pointless gambling on a caretaker like Fletcher who hasn’t managed any club previously let alone United.

That’s what I’d like to think we’re going to do.
In reality we are probably mindlessly determining if Ole stays based on the next three games and haven’t even approached a manager like Ten Haag, if Ole loses we will just throw the job to Conte solely because he’s available.

That's sensible. But the club is not going to come out and say that but it puts a lot of pressure on the fans.
 
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