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Ole Sack Watch
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It doesn't matter what he says today hell it doesn't even matter if we get a result tomorrow. I can no longer get behind his project, because he cannot take us to a level where we challenge for the title. Too many false dawns and inconsistencies under his regime
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So you're hoping that Ole will turn out to be a statistical anomaly?You know I actually do research for a living, seeing as how I'm a scientist. But thank you for the recommendation.
And since I do research for a living, I do know anomalies occur all the time, in science, in nature and in sport.
Anyway I tire of this pointless conversation. I've already agreed with you that I think it's likely he'll be gone soon but I'm not gonna claim to have some brilliant foresight and until he is sacked, I'll hope he keeps winning games. Have a nice day.
Surely it's better for the club to invest in someone who has a better chance of success based on tangible stuff like their past record?
'Nobody is bigger than the club' is a mantra that we are all aware of, and would - I assume - all agree with unreservedly. So why has that gone out of the window with Solsjkaer? So bizarre.
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Mate I've already said elsewhere in this forum if I was in charge I would have sacked him after the last game. But since he is still here I hope he turns it around because that means we are back to winning ways.
I don't understand why it's such a difficult concept to understand? I stand to gain nothing if Ole stays on the job, nor do I lose anything if he's sacked. I am merely a supporter who wishes his team does well, irrespective of the manager. It was the same with Moyes, LVG and Mourinho. I hoped they could start winning but when they were sacked, fair enough. Same with Ole. If he loses again tomorrow, I think he should be sacked. But that's just my personal opinion, even if he isn't I'm not gonna have a meltdown, I'll still wish for us to win the next game.
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It’s mad that overwhelming majority of fans have moved on from him and are completely planning what’s next without him.
Everyone has their own man to take over but Ole is completely out of the picture and yet he’s still here, due to give a press conference in just over 2 hours time.
What a bizarre situation.
Everyone has their own man to take over but Ole is completely out of the picture and yet he’s still here, due to give a press conference in just over 2 hours time.
What a bizarre situation.
Good lord it's like an Anti Ole cult in here. Please read my response to @Forevergiggs1 above, I think it addresses your point.So you're hoping that Ole will turn out to be a statistical anomaly?
Surely it's better for the club to invest in someone who has a better chance of success based on tangible stuff like their past record?
'Nobody is bigger than the club' is a mantra that we are all aware of, and would - I assume - all agree with unreservedly. So why has that gone out of the window with Solsjkaer? So bizarre.
And yes as a fan I hope whoever is in charge does well, Ole or someone else. Since I don't make the decisions I don't lose my sh*t over things I can't control and carry on with supporting the team.
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Is Solskjaer some kind of secret Rothschild family member? Why are these people so protective of him?
I agree that I don’t think it’s good to go out on TV as a professional pundit and say someone should be sacked, but you can say “It isn’t working and I think it’s time to change” as a compassionate way of saying it.
But the Utd old boys seemingly want us to press on with Solskjaer no matter what the feck happens. Solskjaer could burn down Carrington and they’ll spin it as “he’s laying new foundations for this club”
I agree that I don’t think it’s good to go out on TV as a professional pundit and say someone should be sacked, but you can say “It isn’t working and I think it’s time to change” as a compassionate way of saying it.
But the Utd old boys seemingly want us to press on with Solskjaer no matter what the feck happens. Solskjaer could burn down Carrington and they’ll spin it as “he’s laying new foundations for this club”
We’re waiting for him to do a Ranieri or Di Matteo except we’re going to invest vast sums of money and huge amounts of time pretending he is actually like Ferguson or Klopp or whoever else.
The biggest danger with Ole has always been he doesn’t do bad enough to get sacked and we just plod along. Whatever happens this season it has to be Ole’s last one, in terms of saving season sooner the better but long term he has to go.
I thought that his supporters are just blind faith supporters. But after all what happened, now I am starting to think all those still defending him in this forum are rival fans in disguise.
Yeah, it's been clear since late September probably that we just cannot find consistency under him and it's not working. 4-2 to Leicester made most of us believe he'll be here until the season ends at the very best, Liverpool loss shortened that and now he'll only be here for another 7-8 days from now. It would only take a convincing wins against Spurs and Atalanta + positive result vs City to change that. In the state players are atm, I can hardly see that happening.
If we lose convincingly to Spurs then maybe he'll be out by Monday. Club is obviously taking their time. Just hope it doesn't damage us vs Atalanta, we're in good position atm but lose to them and then we complicate our situation big time.
Adding to that, we'll have half the oppos in the country cheering us on against Spurs tomorrow, whilst most United fans won't care less.
That's gotta be a first
I understand what you're saying but for many it goes beyond hope at this stage. Looking around at the other managers at our biggest rivals I don't think even Oles biggest supporters think he's anywhere close to their level. Hope can get you so far until reality sinks in. We may win the odd cup under Ole and achieve top 4 but that's a disastrous way of thinking at one of the biggest clubs in the world. We need someone to compete to the highest level so even if Ole does go on a winning run, which he could do with the squad he has at the end of the day it won't mean a lot because he's always going to fall short which is why so many people want him gone right now.
Do you blane them, we gave them that chance, we held too long onto Ole.
Well no, it doesn't really address my point. The issue that I think we're differing on is whether the bigger picture is more important than the very short-term gain of 3 points tomorrow against Spurs. As a football fan it's obviously highly counter-intuitive to not want to see the team win a game - but if not winning it (statistically speaking) gives the club a better chance of being properly successful (and by that I mean winning the league or the CL, rather than the expectation adjusted success of the last couple of years), then I'm all in. 3 points against Spurs has a very low probability of leading to us winning the league (based on what we've seen of United over the last 3 years, and what we know of Solskjaer's managerial CV), but a worryingly high probability (based on what we have seen and heard from the board over the last couple of years) of Solksjaer being allowed to stay in post, and another season (at least) will be written off.
Time to rip the plaster off.
Definitely. It's made worse by the fact we've actually a very good squad now. If we still had a bunch of journeymen this would be an easier pill to swallow for the fans because it wouldn't really matter who's in charge. Watching Ronaldo right now on that pitch is genuinely painful he really didn't deserve to come back to this shitshow. None of the players deserve it.
I'm getting full
Absolutely baffled anyone would want Rodgers replacing him. If they think the glazers don't want to win leagues and champs leagues.........this be further proof of it.
I repeat Ole the PE teacher absolutely run down his 14 point lead and beat them on the last day of the season.
He is not the answer to all the issues the fans are having at the moment.
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Yeah, Ole's a dead man walking at this point. Kinda similar to LvG towards the end of 2015/16 season, think back then ever since February there were rumours about Mourinho negotiating with club and it was going on for whole spring, ending finally with Van Gaal being sacked and Mourinho becoming our manager few days later. This time, it's not clear who would succeed Ole (though Conte is favourite it seems) but him staying is hard to imagine.
Was about to say the same thing but @amolbhatia50k put it there perfectly. I will support the club but have no faith/hope/expectations left. I will be happy if they win a game. We are never challenging for any trophies under this manager.
We are not a serious club. Nobody cares about winning here. We will soon replace Arsenal as the banter club.
We are not a serious club. Nobody cares about winning here. We will soon replace Arsenal as the banter club.
How I feel, he looks a dead man walking at the moment, but if we turned it around I don't care. Not going to lose my shit either way. If we managed to turn it around, I still can't see how he tick the boxes for what I wanted to see this season. But guess it means the club had more time to pick suitable replacement, and not rushed into any madness, like Rodgers.
It's a bizarre situation at the moment I'm not going to lie. Prob more so a echo chamber at times being on the CAF.
We should have already. Arsenal have a young team and, in the grand scheme, haven't spent a lot or been able to attract the same calibre as us. We have spent so much money and have some amazing players, yet here we are. The EL final, appointing Ole after a flukey win in the CL followed by a horrendous run, all the ups and downs since then. We're an absolute joke. The fans that defend it must be a laugh a minute for the opposition supporters.
I agree with most of what you are saying but I don't see an absolute top quality manager, other than Conte, currently available. With Conte we know we'll be back in this situation in 18-24 months and we win a cup or so, but I doubt he'll win the league with a squad quite separated from the kind of teams he usually builds. We again end up in the dreaded " rebuilding" phase. If Ole can hold the fort until we find a top quality manager who wants to be here ( for eg Zidane doesn't) then yeah I hope he can "turn things around" at least for this season so that it doesn't turn into a total write-off.
But I must emphasize again, I hope he does it, I don't really think he will.
I'm not completely convinced on Conte myself to be honest, but I don't think that should necessarily prevent a change. It feels like we're currently in a death spiral that will be very difficult to snap out of. Even a caretaker manager for the rest of the season would be more likely (based on what saw with Ole himself, and numerous other situations down the years with other clubs) to turn things around than sticking with the status quo.
A new guy (particularly a caretaker with no brief other than to steady the ship and get the best out of this season) has no baggage with any of the current players and can come in and pick whatever team he feels best based on what he sees on the training ground (although it would take balls of steel to not pick Ronaldo). Ole has a major problem as he has put his faith in certain players - who haven't delivered. So what does he do now - continue to stick with them, or go cap-in-hand to the likes of Sancho, Cavani, Lingard and VDB and expect them to dig him out of his own hole? The situation is fecked.
It’s not that it’s difficult to understand - of course we all ‘hope’ to be successful under Solskjaer. It’s that for most of us this ‘hope’ seems to be based on absolutely nothing but a vague romanticism. There are no significant trends or statistics to lean on to back it up, and much to the contrary. So it’s basically all about a goal scored in 1999, a manager we kept in 1989, and an archaic self-image that has us believing there is something different about United that will provide a platform for a manager with no credentials except a connection to the club to succeed.
No arguments there.
I know all this and I'm not arguing against it. But I'm not gonna wish for us to lose a game. I hope we win the next 10,15,20 games. I don't think it'll happen, I simply hope it will.
Adding to that, we'll have half the oppos in the country cheering us on against Spurs tomorrow, whilst most United fans won't care less.
That's gotta be a first
for Ole to even be in with a remote chance of staying manager, we have to go on a extended run winning and keeping clean sheets.
the next 10-15 matches minimum, but can he motivate the team to get a sustained run, no I dont think he can.
I have not changed my mind about him going, but looks like we are stuck with him , time he showed us and the club he is up to the job.
the next 10-15 matches minimum, but can he motivate the team to get a sustained run, no I dont think he can.
I have not changed my mind about him going, but looks like we are stuck with him , time he showed us and the club he is up to the job.
To be honest, the question has changed now from a few weeks back when we looked poor but I think people thought we'd sort ourselves out. It's now a case of which scenario is better:
- You know Ole isn't good enough but you don't like the alternatives and you think he should still be able to get top four.
- You bring someone new in, give them this season to see improvement (if they do well, back them, if not you line someone up for summer) and hope they can also get top four.
Agreed. I'm checked out of all this now, gone through denial, rage and now this - calmness.
If we lose the CL game, I might as well stop watching United and anything football related for the rest of the season. Just tune into the CL semis and finals somewhere.
My question is: Where exactly does the club think it's headed with Ole in charge? It is clear as day that this guy can't win major honors with us and is tactically deficient. United depresses me. I began to tune out after LVG. I need that joy back.
Perfectly put.
Still in shock that the board is letting him continue. The project is over and done, but here we are.
I think we'll draw against Spurs and he'll go after that. Knowing our board that might 'save' his job though.
I doubt even a loss to Spurs will cost him his job after making a thing of keeping him after the Dippers. It would have to be another inept humiliation.
I'm giving it till the international break. If after that he is still manager then just bin the season
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