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well saidIn some ways you are right my Norwegian friend but not the way you would like it.
SAF was a young ambitious manager with cutting edge tactics who proved himself at Aberdeen to be a massive success. During 1986 he was struggling bringing in his modern ideas and winning mentality into a sleeping giant who had huge alcoholic problems and was clinging onto its nostalgia.
This time round the tables had turned though. This squad is modern and brimming with proven players who are hungry for success. We're talking about the likes of Varane, Ronaldo, Bruno, Cavani and Pogba who had won at every single club they went into. The only one clinging to outdated methods and nostalgia is the manager and the people who want him there. The coaching and tactics of the legacy staff is outdated and not good enough for modern times.
I can see how if he beats Atalanta and draws both/wins one of the two in the league the spin can be oh he qualified for the next round, lets see what can be done. But if you lose both games in the league even with the CL win... what could you possibly say? 11 games, 14 points, could very well be bottom half... i dont think you can possible keep him just with that spin.
and yea this is an Atalanta team struggling with injuries... but we still barely beat them at OT and im not entirely convinced that comeback would've happened if it hadn't been for the stretty. It's not like that game is a gimme either.
If he's still in a job after a 5-0 loss at home to our biggest rivals I don't see why he would. The shit that won't flush.
I disagree with this. We've spent as much, if not more, on players over the past several years as the oil-state owned clubs. That has not been done to get 4th place. The Glazers aren't stupid. They will want to win the league. They could sell the club for several billion and aren't in it for the sake of the 2% dividend. They want the value to increase and that only happens if we win. But being away from the day-to-day effects of winning and losing, and not being real fans, will give them a lot of patience. You and I may think that it's time to pull the trigger, but they may want to give it a few more games or until the end of the season.
Thing is, there's a lot on the line with this appointment. He's Woodwards choice. SAF's player. The man who picked upcoming coaches like Carrick (was it LVg?) and McKenna into the first team coaching framework. The man who got Phelan back. A 90s success man. Apparently the United way man (if our way is to play conservative football that isn't well coached and doesn't lead to trophies).
It will happen but only when we're absolutely forced to and that's usually further into the season. It's sad that we're run so ameturely but that's us.
He ain’t getting sacked. For some reason he is way way more important than the club itself. Our season is going to the dogs, we hv just been humiliated, humbled and taken apart and are right now the joke of the football world but who cares ? The board certainly don’t or even the match going fans because the board knows that he would be getting backed and clapped at games no matter what. Faux moral high ground at any cost.
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Yeah it makes sense put like that, standards are on the floor and the priorities are clearly nepotism and nostalgia. It's bleak and what terrifies me more is if he continues to fall up, pull off a flukey win or two, and then given the chance to totally derail our entire season.
FFS, Paddy Power 
Did Gattuso leave the management seat at Milan and asked not to be paid the remainder of his contract? If true, then that's what club legends are made of.
FFS, Paddy Power
It's been sickening to see every man jack taking potshots at us. But we have just invited this.
Yeah when he survived Tuesday morning that confirmed my fears all along that the board hasn't the guts to pull that trigger
Eh, not so sure about that. It's probably quite evident how shite I along with everyone else thinks the Glazers are, but there is a very obvious option in Conte and ZIdane to take the heat off themselves right now. The fact that they are delaying their decision to determine they are hiring someone they believe to be the correct option rather than being reactionary for once imo is a positive sign
Yeah ridiculous as it is I think he still would have survived because like I said earlier in the week they haven't bothered to put a contingency plan in place early enough this season and now we have suffered as a result. I also just knew that the Ole stay % was always going to creep up as the week went on due to people softening on Sunday's game. I don't think we will hear his name sang on Saturday but still expect our away support to be behind the team.
I have reached the point where I just want someone to come in and drill these players properly whilst keeping the biggest egos in that dressing room like Bruno, Pogba & Ronny in check at the same time which I feel Conte does.
truth hurts hey...you just keep backing ole
Wonder what he will say in the press conference later, will definitely tune in for once
A manager's ability is a MAJOR factor though. Everyone here harps about how we need X player and Y player in this position to challenge for a title but same standard applies to a manger. Look at the last 10 PL winning managers since 2010, compare them to a novice manager that is Ole(you'll probably mention Pellegrini and Ranieri but go take a look at their achievements at previous clubs before their title winning seasons and you'll realize they were top managers. Ranieri was a very rare exception anyway) and ask yourself why you've still conditioned your mind into somehow thinking Ole will be this modern day Sir Alex out of the blue to lead us to the promised land after 3 years, over £400m spent, countless semis and a final bottled and torrid performances this season after a blockbuster transfer window for a team that finished 2nd.
Also Ole is not a novice manager. It takes like 10000 hours to master a craft, which is like 3 years if that's your day job. He's been managing for more than a decade and generally failing at it. He's not a novice. He's simply mediocre. And at a massive club like Manchester United, that is entirely unacceptable.
Probably say something earth shattering like ‘we must rectify Liverpool failings’ without being too specific. Or similar bullshit.
It‘ll be “fantastic”
I wouldn't worry about the %. The majority for Ole out keeps increasing. Probably a lot of non United fans voting in. Normally we could see who in previous polls but for some reason we can't this time.
So true
That's exactly what I'm expecting to happen. We'll fluke our way to a narrow win against a struggling Spurs team. Those who care more for Solskjaer than United will then come out of the woodwork with their party poppers to proclaim him a genius for turning things around, and the cycle will once again continue. We'll inevitably fail to win a trophy and we'll be mathematically declared outside of the top 4 by April, when we then sack him and desperately search for a replacement.
The people who handed this fraud a new contract after not delivering any silverware are to be blamed, No other ambitious club would, Barca just sacked their coach for a run of result only bettered by us, but Ole is still here to serve us more shit...
Sack him now there's still a chance of winning the Leauge if we can go on a real run of wins, something i believe a Conte can bring!
Sack him now there's still a chance of winning the Leauge if we can go on a real run of wins, something i believe a Conte can bring!
I really don't get this point. 73 GF and 44 GA last season in the PL for a combined 117 goals (2nd only to Leicester). Poorly coached? Absolutely. Never ever should a United team concede well over 40 goals in a PL season. But conservative? That I do not agree with.
They will absolutely sing his name. All game. And in their defiant and proud way, they'll be part of enabling the board to keep him and thus torpedoing another season. 'Fans back Ole' etc etc.
I don't want abuse but can we stop singing his name please. Don't give them the excuses they need.
Carrick and McKenna were brought into first team coaching team by Jose.
Would a draw against Spurs constitute a bad result worthy of the sack? Sure hope so considering where are at and where we should be in terms of title aspirations
Fixed that for you
Great post!
Actually, my grandfather did start smoking when he was a kid and lived well into his 90's. He also survived the battle of the Somme, so WW1 can't have been that bad.
Umm I'm neither backing Ole nor throwing histrionics over the fact he hasn't been sacked. If we lose tomorrow he'll be gone and if he can somehow turn things around then that'll be great. Either way I don't see the need for the total meltdown you and some of the others seem to be having on here.
Why would it be great if he turns it around?
Perhaps because he (crazy idea I know) wants to see the team win and succeed! Mental I know!
Because it'll mean Man Utd are winning games. I thought that's what all fans want, you know for their team to win.
Today is going to be one of the most anticipated press conferences there has been. I’m kinda excited for it.
His press conferences have been heavily analysed and criticised even when things were going well, it's going to be ridiculous today.
'There's been great passion and willingness shown this week to turn things around, in fact, Harry is still turning around from yesterday's training session as we speak but I'm sure he'll be ready for tomorrow'
'No problems that I can see at the back, they'll figure it out for themselves'
'Pressing is key, we need to press more, get as many body's pressing forward as possible'
Don't get your hopes up.
"It's about passion and desire and which striker wants it the most. I asked the Glazers for the GOAT, but they got me Ronaldo."
"Sir Alex lost 1-6. I lost 1-6 only last year. 0-5 is improvement in goals conceded."
"We are going to bounce back."
“We have brilliant coaches”
I’m afraid he’s gonna come up with something ridiculous like let’s see who the real fans are or real supporters would support the team through this tough time etc. taking himself out of the question and putting the onus on fans supporting the team through thick and thin. Saying we have the most amazing supporters in the world who have supported manutd even in the darkest of times.
He’s gonna swirl around the main issue and would talk about the social media, match going fans, away fans etc. talking about progress, his achievements in the last 2-3 years blah blah blah mark my words.
He’s gonna swirl around the main issue and would talk about the social media, match going fans, away fans etc. talking about progress, his achievements in the last 2-3 years blah blah blah mark my words.
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