Ole Sack Watch

Should we replace the manager ?

  • Yes - Its time to make a change

    Votes: 3,004 87.8%
  • No - Give him more time

    Votes: 449 13.1%

  • Total voters
    3,423
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I VC don’t think the board have any intention of sacking him.

If they did, they would have done so by now.

We just suffered the most embarrassing defeat in arguably our club's history on the back of a string of horrific results/performances and the club didn't sack him.

We lost 5-0 to Liverpool at Old Trafford and they let their foot off the pedal.

It's a joke how he wasn't sacked.
 
So the manager of Manchester United who has won feck all in 3 years despite spending shitload of money, playing barely watchable football pretty much entire time, having kept 1 clean sheet in the last 20 matches, sitting in 7th place level points with fecking Arsenal, being out of title race in October and getting trashed by Liverpool, prepares the team for the next game :lol: I am not even mad, it's genuinely hilarious what shambles we become in the last few years. Absolutely zero ambitions from the club and some of our fans who needed 3 years to realise Ole is a shite manager.

Some still haven't realised it! :lol:
 
3 years without a trophy
spent big
struggling to win
Fans clamoring for the firing of the manager.
First off all, SAF didn't spend big, especially in relation to the league. Not in the beginning. The club didn't even have that kind of resources. Second of all, if we go by your logic of a "struggling manager, fans want out, time without a trophy" we should have given Mourinho, LVG and David Moyes also a lot more time. And any struggling manager who hasn't won a trophy with United, for that matter. Third of all, United are in A LOT different position now than they were in the 80's. Might as well say that City should be content with finishing top 4, despite 500 million spent, because for the entirety of their history they've been a midtable to relegation club.
 
3 years without a trophy
spent big
struggling to win
Fans clamoring for the firing of the manager.

The article from 1989 and todays situation is nearly identical. There is no deeper meaning behind a look back in history. No assumption that Ole will take us forther, no comparison to Sir Alex. Its just a look at history and compare that to whats happening this week.

Alright Ed Woodward come out of the forum :lol:
 
It very much is.

You think because SAF turned it around, there's a possibility that Ole can too.

I don't. I even specifically stated that it was not a Ole comment, and you just jumped on it and decided it was.
 
You still confident he's a goner? Hand on heart, do you believe that the club have been speaking to other managers this week? I have a bad, bad feeling that they're not and this is all a ploy to buy Ole time to do something they can sell to the fans eg beat Spurs or Atalanta.
I am still fairly confident he will be sacked but that's only cause I think we'll lose at least two out of our next three games and I think club are making enquiries.
What troubles me is that this club still had 100% confidence in Ole as of Sunday morning. The club lack ambition.
 
I'm not. Im just pointing out that the criticism is identical. Its a historical curiosity is all.

I was at that match and used to go most weeks back then(we had a similar drumming at city in 1989)but this is comparing apples with oranges.

Even though it was a difficult time SAF was overhauling the entire club back then.
SAF had already broke the old firm dominance with Aberdeen.
SAF won a European trophy with an unfashionable Scottish club.
 
First off all, SAF didn't spend big, especially in relation to the league. Not in the beginning. The club didn't even have that kind of resources. Second of all, if we go by your logic of a "struggling manager, fans want out, time without a trophy" we should have given Mourinho, LVG and David Moyes also a lot more time. And any struggling manager who hasn't won a trophy with United, for that matter. Third of all, United are in A LOT different position now than they were in the 80's. Might as well say that City should be content with finishing top 4, despite 500 million spent, because for the entirety of their history they've been a midtable to relegation club.

This.
 
Alright Ed Woodward come out of the forum :lol:

This thread is like a who's who on who hates the manager.

I'm sorry for wanting to have a walk down memory lane, I should have known better than to have a normal discussion about events in this place.
 
This thread is like a who's who on who hates the manager.

I'm sorry for wanting to have a walk down memory lane, I should have known better than to have a normal discussion about events in this place.

Nobody cares to be honest with you. It’s 2021. You probably wasn’t even alive in 1987 so why are you taking walks back to places you’ve never been.
 
I was at that match and used to go most weeks back then(we had a similar drumming at city in 1989)but this is comparing apples with oranges.

Even though it was a difficult time SAF was overhauling the entire club back then.
SAF had already broke the old firm dominance with Aberdeen.
SAF won a European trophy with an unfashionable Scottish club.

Thank god, a normal reply. Thank you.
 
Depends on what you mean come back. Could he prolong the agony and keep the job in the short term, it’s a possibility given that no one at the club wants to do. If you mean come back and be successful even win one league title let alone get anywhere near the achievements of SAF then no chance.
By come back I mean get to how we were just over 6 weeks ago- looking forward, on the up, challenging, being a top tier team. It’s absolutely possible. Everyone is being so dramatic as expectations have shot through the roof. If all the posters on this forum believe ole is so substandard why on earth did any one get the expectations we can even challenge for a title, let alone win one? Cos we have a 36 year old talisman? Many on here need to get a serious grip it’s contradiction after contradiction
 
This thread is like a who's who on who hates the manager.

I'm sorry for wanting to have a walk down memory lane, I should have known better than to have a normal discussion about events in this place.

Nobody hates ole but he’s just not good enough to be our manager and to prove the point let’s see the level of the next club he manages after his inevitable sacking this season(No PL or championship club will touch him with a ten foot barge pole).
 
3 years without a trophy
spent big
struggling to win
Fans clamoring for the firing of the manager.

The article from 1989 and todays situation is nearly identical. There is no deeper meaning behind a look back in history. No assumption that Ole will take us forther, no comparison to Sir Alex. Its just a look at history and compare that to whats happening this week.

Okay. According to you how many years more should ole be given to win the league ? Don't be vague, give us some number.
 
By come back I mean get to how we were just over 6 weeks ago- looking forward, on the up, challenging, being a top tier team. It’s absolutely possible. Everyone is being so dramatic as expectations have shot through the roof. If all the posters on this forum believe ole is so substandard why on earth did any one get the expectations we can even challenge for a title, let alone win one? Cos we have a 36 year old talisman? Many on here need to get a serious grip it’s contradiction after contradiction

I never expected us to challenge for the title because we have Ole as manager, the idea he can compete at highest level makes absolutely no sense and relies on blind faith. I assume some people expected Ole to challenge because he’s been given the time and money so can’t keep saying next year is our year.

Said last year Ole has no plan and all we’d ever see is more of the same even with better players, that’s it. He’ll never win the league, his peak was last season, he’s done all he could do and should be put out of his misery.
 
Nobody hates ole but he’s just not good enough to be our manager and to prove the point let’s see the level of the next club he manages after his inevitable sacking this season(No PL or championship club will touch him with a ten foot barge pole).

I saw some fun comments that belittled his playing career yesterday. I suppose when you run out of steam on one topic, may as well carry over to the next available thing.

When Ole does get the sack, I don't think he will return to managing a big club, or a club of any note in Europe again, it's probably Manchester United or bust. He may return to Molde eventually or Kristiansund in Norway, then on to the national team. Seems like a natural career progression when you've been bumped off the top.
 
Tomorrow's press conference is going to be brutal.

The forced positivity will be cringe.
 
As I said before, the minority who are still defending Ole are as deluded as him. Listen to what he says then read what they are posting here, it's basically the same level of delusion.
 
Okay. According to you how many years more should ole be given to win the league ? Don't be vague, give us some number.

Its not a 'in defense of Ole' post. It's a "Look, Sir Alex had the exact same accusations as this thread levies on Ole, isn't that a funny coincidence?"

That's all it was. Not a deeper discussion into circumstance or squad.
 
I'm not. Im just pointing out that the criticism is identical. Its a historical curiosity is all.

Fair enough.

For the record, Fergie turned his misfortunes around because he possessed superpowers that normal human beings (you and I for example) knew existed. The likelihood that Ole possesses those very same superpowers is staggeringly low.

I get you're trying to look at the positives, which is fine, but there is little to no chance Ole turns it around from here. Just climb on board with the rest of the United fanbase and prey we get the next manager correct.
 
People need to honestly stop comparing Ole with Saf. It’s an absolute disrespect to the great man, to see their names mentioned together. We’ve outspent pretty much most teams in world football and have only just added supposed 3 world class players in the summer to then play even worse. How can people be so naive and believe he will turn it around. The mind boggles. There’s a reason every other football fan is taking the piss and laughing down on us. His career will be over when he leaves eventually. Did anybody see what Molde fans thought about him? He never would’ve got this job if it hadn’t been for a last minute winner 22 years ago because this club just can’t move on and we have only just gone and blown any chance we had of competing with our strongest squad in ages due to the clubs inability to act fast.
 
Tomorrow's press conference is going to be brutal.

The forced positivity will be cringe.

I feel for Ole having to make this press conference. Anything he says will be blown wide open for ridicule, taken out of context and utterly torn apart. Nothing good will come from it.

And it's all the boards for failing to do their duty.
 
I never expected us to challenge for the title because we have Ole as manager, the idea he can compete at highest level makes absolutely no sense and relies on blind faith. I assume some people expected Ole to challenge because he’s been given the time and money so can’t keep saying next year is our year.

Said last year Ole has no plan and all we’d ever see is more of the same even with better players, that’s it. He’ll never win the league, his peak was last season, he’s done all he could do and should be put out of his misery.
Well fair play to you then if you saw all
this coming last year. Some saw it coming even before you. Most didn’t. Most thought we were building and after the signings we made this summer would push us on to the next level. My original point still stands- we’ve had a similar situation in the past and I hope ole can recreate that bit of history even if it just sees him through this season becoming a respectable one. I’m sorry most fans don’t want that, I really am as a new manager right now would be an even bigger write off than sticking with OGS. In my view.
 
I saw some fun comments that belittled his playing career yesterday. I suppose when you run out of steam on one topic, may as well carry over to the next available thing.

When Ole does get the sack, I don't think he will return to managing a big club, or a club of any note in Europe again, it's probably Manchester United or bust. He may return to Molde eventually or Kristiansund in Norway, then on to the national team. Seems like a natural career progression when you've been bumped off the top.
A nice way of saying that no decent club will touch him. Jose hasn't struggled for work since being "bumped off the top". Not even Moyes has.
 
“3 years of excuses and it’s still crap… ta ra Fergie” read the banner held aloft as Manchester United fell to a home defeat to Crystal Palace in December 1989.

That loss was part of a calamitous 11-match winless league run that stretched from November to February, ratcheting up the pressure on manager Alex Ferguson.

The Scot had shone as Aberdeen manager but big spending had yet to bring results following his arrival at Old Trafford in 1986.

United slumped home in 13th place in the First Division during the 1989-90 season, but the FA Cup brought some much-needed respite – and provided the catalyst to an unprecedented era of success.


Now please dont take this as a Ole comment, its not. The situations are nearly identical, its a amusing look into the past. Please don't get offended.
So are you implying that the board should take a similar stance and give Ole a proper chance? After all, we will get it right, Fergie did so Ole will too.

There is a huge difference. Fergie already credentials before joining us with his achievements at Aberdeen. He was already deemed a top, top young coach. Ole doesn't have this. All he has is a bunch of friends and history of being supersub and the player who gave us a memorable moment in 1999. As fans we all love him as a player. But as a coach he arrived here with no real credentials. He Cardiff relegated to the Championship and would have had them relegated to League 1. Is this a manager that Man Utd deserve?

Yes, your article has similarities with the Ferguson situation. But there was a lot being done behind scenes at Old Trafford by Ferguson such as shaking up the youth academy, the culture at the club from drinking to a more professional environment.

So despite the similarities, the situation was in fact very different behind the scene. Also, Fergie hadn't lost his players. He still commanded respect from the staff and players.
 
A nice way of saying that no decent club will touch him. Jose hasn't struggled for work since being "bumped off the top". Not even Moyes has.

Its more the family situation. He moved back to Kristiansund in Norway after finishing with the Manchester reserves. He doesnt strike me as someone who wants to go back to managing a team in Belgium or something after this and be away from the family for "no good reason". At least thas what has been alluded to in interviews in the past
 
I feel for Ole having to make this press conference. Anything he says will be blown wide open for ridicule, taken out of context and utterly torn apart. Nothing good will come from it.

And it's all the boards for failing to do their duty.
He can actually resign, it's really on him.
 
I feel for Ole having to make this press conference. Anything he says will be blown wide open for ridicule, taken out of context and utterly torn apart. Nothing good will come from it.

And it's all the boards for failing to do their duty.
Yeah I've wanted him gone for years and I feel bad for him too. It's not something you do if you have class. Parade your lame duck manager out there for a few games so behind the scenes you can get a replacement. All because you didn't have the foresight to tell that this experiment had run its course.
 
So are you implying that the board should take a similar stance and give Ole a proper chance? After all, we will get it right, Fergie did so Ole will too.

There is a huge difference. Fergie already credentials before joining us with his achievements at Aberdeen. He was already deemed a top, top young coach. Ole doesn't have this. All he has is a bunch of friends and history of being supersub and the player who gave us a memorable moment in 1999. As fans we all love him as a player. But as a coach he arrived here with no real credentials. He Cardiff relegated to the Championship and would have had them relegated to League 1. Is this a manager that Man Utd deserve?

Yes, your article has similarities with the Ferguson situation. But there was a lot being done behind scenes at Old Trafford by Ferguson such as shaking up the youth academy, the culture at the club from drinking to a more professional environment.

So despite the similarities, the situation was in fact very different behind the scene. Also, Fergie hadn't lost his players. He still commanded respect from the staff and players.

No Im not implying anything. It was just a coincidence that the arguments are nearly the same, word for word. Theres no deeper meaning behind my comment.
 
No Im not implying anything. It was just a coincidence that the arguments are nearly the same, word for word. Theres no deeper meaning behind my comment.
Ah fair enough. I agree. The headlines have a lot of similarities on surface.

Though, I wouldn't rule out some fans taking this as gospel and thinking the stars aligned and we now are just a Mark Robins moment away from everything turning around.
 
Its more the family situation. He moved back to Kristiansund in Norway after finishing with the Manchester reserves. He doesnt strike me as someone who wants to go back to managing a team in Belgium or something after this and be away from the family for "no good reason". At least thas what has been alluded to in interviews in the past
He had no issue going to Cardiff. Maybe you're right, he won't want another job in one of the bigger leagues. I doubt he's going to be inundated with offers.
 
Well fair play to you then if you saw all
this coming last year. Some saw it coming even before you. Most didn’t. Most thought we were building and after the signings we made this summer would push us on to the next level. My original point still stands- we’ve had a similar situation in the past and I hope ole can recreate that bit of history even if it just sees him through this season becoming a respectable one. I’m sorry most fans don’t want that, I really am as a new manager right now would be an even bigger write off than sticking with OGS. In my view.

It’s not a similar situation though because the ability of the managers is incomparable. Ole hasn’t, can’t and will never be able to do what SAF did and that’s not even a criticism just the reality.

Given how things are falling apart I’d imagine, much like end of Jose’s term any manager would be better for rest of season.
 
It’s not a similar situation though because the ability of the managers is incomparable. Ole hasn’t, can’t and will never be able to do what SAF did and that’s not even a criticism just the reality.

Given how things are falling apart I’d imagine, much like end of Jose’s term any manager would be better for rest of season.
nothing is comparable. The managers, squad, life, society. Absolutely every facet of life is totally different. You can’t just say the two managers ability is the only difference! There wasn’t a harem of overly emotional forum posters back then desperate for the blonde haired new signing to be given an extended run in defensive midfield despite doing zero to warrant it for example. You can’t pick and chose one difference and rely on that to make a point. The overarching situation is the same - managers under huge pressure facing the sack unless they turn it round ASAP. I hope Ole does.
 
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