Too nice for his own good this is turning out to be. He's being let down by players and he continues to blow smoke up their ass. Lingard absolute garbage today and he keeps him on till the 86th minute.
Ole Gunnar Solskjaer | W15 D2 L4
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Up until all the injuries it was all right if not very good. 2 defeats on the trot though we need to step up, that's for sure.
Got pelters on here last week saying the Arsenal result raised question marks about Ole for me. I'm not 100% convinced how tactically astute he is, teams have countered our tactics far too easily at times without a reply from our end. Tonight we've been played to perfection by Wolves, they've allowed us to have the ball as much as we want, whilst they've sat back and we've not had any answer to it whatsoever.
Against Arsenal they deployed Monreal as a CB to counter Dalot as a RW, meaning our right hand side was completely nullified, same again tonight. Our right hand side is absolutely shocking, I cannot believe we've ignored it for so many years.
Against Arsenal they deployed Monreal as a CB to counter Dalot as a RW, meaning our right hand side was completely nullified, same again tonight. Our right hand side is absolutely shocking, I cannot believe we've ignored it for so many years.
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It's not an exaggeration, the football we have played has been poor at times its the individual quality of the team that has scraped us results.
After all the games solskjaer has managed, we are a better team off the ball than in possession. I can't see any patterns of play, coaching implementation etc to say we are a good footballing side.
I said after the PSG home leg that the result was significant because it gives a blueprint into how to play against this team.
It's not an exaggeration, the football we have played has been poor at times its the individual quality of the team that has scraped us results.
After all the games solskjaer has managed, we are a better team off the ball than in possession. I can't see any patterns of play, coaching implementation etc to say we are a good footballing side.
I said after the PSG home leg that the result was significant because it gives a blueprint into how to play against this team.
I love Ole, but decision on whether he gets the job or not should not be made before the end of the season.
Both the club and the fans are in for a rude awakening next season. I've very carefully expressed my concern before with regards to his tactics and if that is good enough.
We need investment but also a manager with a very clear vision of how to play.
We need investment but also a manager with a very clear vision of how to play.
Delusional.
Twice in one week, we didn't have answers to teams who are playing 3-5-2
And that's why it's very sensible of the club not to jump the gun.
Reactionaries? As in reacting to what we're all seeing? Let's be honest, we were super lucky against PSG. We did OK against Arsenal but were pretty woeful in front of goal. And tonight we simply did not show up, like many many times this season pre Ole appointment.
Also, Ole did not manage to change things tonight to figure out a way to better counter their game plan.
Surely we can speak about how things are without being knee jerking.
Is this the first time we have seen this kind of performance ? I mean we can blame Ole for late subs, I do, but let's check from last season only :
Huddersfield away, lost 0-2.
Newcastle away, lost 0-1
Brighton away, lost 0-1
Bristol away, lost 1-2
WBA home, lost 0-1
Southampton home, draw 0-0
Burnley home, draw 2-2 after getting down 0-2. (Similar to Burnley game this season under Ole as well)
Any link ?
Isn't this exactly the same performance as these games too ? The same lackluster attitude, with no urgency and playing as if we're winning anyway ?
The arrogance of our team is absolute trash.
In certain games like these we enter them acting like we have the God-given right to win anyway, that we can put any kind of trash performance without much efforts and we'll still win, till we're shocked with being down.
Ironically these games always, always tend to come after big performance like PSG this season or defeating City 3-2 last season. It's like the arrogance gets to the players more and more.
Our attitude is absolute trash. We're very arrogant as a team, arrogant for nothing. I don't think Ole didn't give them a go at the break, but he needs to do it more.
The players need to understand they don't have the right to win without putting fecking efforts.
As for Ole, he also needs to sort out his late subs, as it's starting to get on my nerve.
Huddersfield away, lost 0-2.
Newcastle away, lost 0-1
Brighton away, lost 0-1
Bristol away, lost 1-2
WBA home, lost 0-1
Southampton home, draw 0-0
Burnley home, draw 2-2 after getting down 0-2. (Similar to Burnley game this season under Ole as well)
Any link ?
Isn't this exactly the same performance as these games too ? The same lackluster attitude, with no urgency and playing as if we're winning anyway ?
The arrogance of our team is absolute trash.
In certain games like these we enter them acting like we have the God-given right to win anyway, that we can put any kind of trash performance without much efforts and we'll still win, till we're shocked with being down.
Ironically these games always, always tend to come after big performance like PSG this season or defeating City 3-2 last season. It's like the arrogance gets to the players more and more.
Our attitude is absolute trash. We're very arrogant as a team, arrogant for nothing. I don't think Ole didn't give them a go at the break, but he needs to do it more.
The players need to understand they don't have the right to win without putting fecking efforts.
As for Ole, he also needs to sort out his late subs, as it's starting to get on my nerve.
Agreed, let’s see where we are at the end of the season.
The isssue I have is these two will be starting again next season and we’d have the same problems.
You can at least try something using subs. Today, like pretty much always I thought Ole made subs way too late.
Yeah, thus far they did good in not jumping the gun on it, aftermath of the PSG game was a huge test.
Looked like an issue of fatigue more than anything else to me. With the run of games we've had and the sheer number of injuries, I think a game like this was probably about due in hindsight. All this while trying to implement a much higher intensity style of football in the middle of a season as well.
Hoping the international break does us some good.
Hoping the international break does us some good.
He needs to come to the realization over the break that Matic should not be starting
I don’t want to get too hasty, but it is a little bit concerning that for the past two games, one against a top 4 rival and the other a cup quarter final, pretty much the entire team has looked below par. Can’t say why, but hopefully this is the end of it and the team puts in a performance in our next game. The injuries certainly haven’t helped either.
This is why it would have been silly to appoint ole after the Spurs,Arsenal,Chelsea or PSG results having said that its the same to say he isn't good enough after results like tonight.
Make the decision at the end of the the season.
Make the decision at the end of the the season.
at morons who think 'tactics' had anything to do with us losing against Arsenal and tonight.We lost at Arsenal because our strikers couldn't put the fecking ball in the net despite dominating the play. We lost tonight because our attitude stunk and we produced feck all quality.
Ole is 100% responsible for results - that's the same for all managers in the game but let's see how things go before we start pretending we're experts in football tactics.
This is now Ole’s biggest test and I think the international break has come at the right time.
Wolves set up perfectly tonight, compact and broke on the counter but we just tried to play in front of them all night.
There was a bit of ring rust in that performance from the likes of Herrera and Lingard and Martial blew cold all night, the press wasn’t there also.
Still, in Ole I trust. We were poor tonight but it’s a process. Ole will work his backside off to get us back on track. It’s a learning curve for him aswell.
Wolves set up perfectly tonight, compact and broke on the counter but we just tried to play in front of them all night.
There was a bit of ring rust in that performance from the likes of Herrera and Lingard and Martial blew cold all night, the press wasn’t there also.
Still, in Ole I trust. We were poor tonight but it’s a process. Ole will work his backside off to get us back on track. It’s a learning curve for him aswell.
Honeymoon is over. Time to show his worth because today we were abysmal.
I’ve said it before - he makes changes far too late. We were being dominated in the midfield in the second half in particular, and we had an invisible Lingard and an ineffective Martial wasting away a position. Take one of them off and bring a midfielder on to get control again. But no, let’s wait till they score until we make a sub.
I’ve been behind him all the way and I still am, but I’ve said that we should hold on from pressing the “hire” button until we hit a rock. We’ve hit it. People might say “it’s only two games”, but at this stage of the season two games can kill or end your season. Another PL loss and we’re done for top 4.
I’ve said it before - he makes changes far too late. We were being dominated in the midfield in the second half in particular, and we had an invisible Lingard and an ineffective Martial wasting away a position. Take one of them off and bring a midfielder on to get control again. But no, let’s wait till they score until we make a sub.
I’ve been behind him all the way and I still am, but I’ve said that we should hold on from pressing the “hire” button until we hit a rock. We’ve hit it. People might say “it’s only two games”, but at this stage of the season two games can kill or end your season. Another PL loss and we’re done for top 4.
to me,even before the injuries, our football was reverting back to the dull stuff we were witnessing beforehand. Our defence, for some reason, went back to constantly passing it sideways and dilly-dallying instead of those fast, carrick-esque passes between the lines they were doing in his first games which went a long way in rejuvenating our football.
That was awful today. Why werent him and the staff able to get a performance out of any of the players ? Such a big game after a poor result at arsenal surely you would expect the players to put everything into today.
I don't think there was much option with the front three as Lukaku picked up an injury and Dalot was moved to rightback due to Young's suspension. As for the midfield it probably would have been better to start two of Fred, McTominay and Andreas instead of Herrera and Matic. Four non-match fit players was probably too much.
But that's the thing, what manager is currently available? Zidane is now not an option anymore and Poch has a lot of question marks around him on his own. I sincerely hope things doesn't start to go to hell now for Ole because I'd much rather have him.
Definitely.
I had a feeling we'd announce it during the international break since we'd be away from club football for a while, but after 2 losses in a row I doubt it.
This. I feel like we're far too pragmatic as of late, at first I thought it was down to fatigue but I'm not so sure now.
Agreed, should have eased them back.
Kind of reminds me of late 2002, when we had a few injuries but our makeshift side - Fortune and then Phil Neville in midfield, etc - managed a string of big wins. Then the big guns came back - Rio, Keane, Beckham - and suddenly we lost two in a row.
I think we'll see a few more games like tonight before the end of the season honestly, and it's not totally Ole's fault. We've got a poor squad, and its looking tired. So many "big" games left, I don't see how we'll cope.
Really don't know who the alternatives are but hopefully the club has done their job here and not let feelings dictate.
They look fecking knackered. They’ve been run into the ground and most of them are injured or lacking fitness as a result.
That said, the fitness will come. He’ll add to the squad and we’ll be in much better shape next season.
We lost today because we didn't put all our effort into the match, nothing to do with Ole or the 'tactics'
We'd be silly not to keep Ole on after the end of the season, Iregardless of tonight's results.
We'd be silly not to keep Ole on after the end of the season, Iregardless of tonight's results.
Must take some of the blame today. Started Lingard (edited: and Herrera) immediately after he’s back from injury, no change in tactics throughout the game and selected a shite bench.
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Bolded part fills me with optimism. Fighting for titles with coach who must learn things. Great
Matic is just horrendous, too slow. He was shocking vs Arsenal as well. Mctominay was good against Palace, Southampton and PSG, he should have started today, why persist with Matic. Terrible performance and result, everyone was just static, passing sideways with no runs in behind or passing in between the lines. Very reminiscent of LVG and Jose football. Awfully disappointing, Lukaku was actually a miss today; Our front 3 did absolutely nothing.
We are still a very fragile team. We came out flat against Arsenal, a game we should have been smashing as they had one day rest/preparation. Soon as you lose that momentum, we looked nervous and just really poor tonight.
We need to see how Ole can get us to react now and get back on track as this could go downhill fast.
We need to see how Ole can get us to react now and get back on track as this could go downhill fast.
Wolves are a good side... their results this season have shown it. We needed to be right at it if we were going to win tonight and we just weren’t at all. Too many players performing so far below what we know they can.
The team looked lethargic and we moved the ball far too slowly. We played like it was a friendly rather than our best chance of silverware. Perhaps some of it can be put down to all the players coming back from injury and not being physically 100%... but the attitude really needs to improve for the matches we have coming up.
The team looked lethargic and we moved the ball far too slowly. We played like it was a friendly rather than our best chance of silverware. Perhaps some of it can be put down to all the players coming back from injury and not being physically 100%... but the attitude really needs to improve for the matches we have coming up.
We can't put this one on Ole.
This very game is what I would show to the board in a meeting. I'd make them sit and watch the whole thing. And by the end I'm sure that a £200m cheque for transfers will be signed.
We need to re-assemble a top squad full of great young players who have, most importantly, a great attitude. This process needs to be done with great care, and I do believe Ole is the right guy to do this.
This very game is what I would show to the board in a meeting. I'd make them sit and watch the whole thing. And by the end I'm sure that a £200m cheque for transfers will be signed.
We need to re-assemble a top squad full of great young players who have, most importantly, a great attitude. This process needs to be done with great care, and I do believe Ole is the right guy to do this.
We lost due two stupid individual mistakes, failed to clear a pass and then conceded at the near post. Our attacking was always breaking up as we couldnt finish any buildup. Arrogant at times too, the front three should have done better, cant blame Ole for this as on paper this is our strongest 11 bar the GK, we just didnt turn up.
We would be more silly to offer him a permanent job with at least 10 more games to play this season.