Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion

[VP89]

So its 1:1 on halfs and we have big chance to go through?

When did he say that?

Obviously when you're 3-0, saying "win the second half" is fine as part of a wider team talk. You win the 2nd half and you're in with a chance for the 2nd leg.

I'm all for critiquing Ole on the 1000 bad things he does as a manager but this isn't one of them. People are just complaining about everything now which is getting annoying.

 

[Shakesy]

Changing managers in general is like:

• throwing darts blindfolded
• not wearing a box when playing cricket
• banking on a politician to tell the truth
• trying to fly your new kite in a hurricane
• eating chicken pizza left-overs two weeks later
• trying to find an original post in this thread

 

[Majima]

What is the problem with this? We did win the 2nd half.

So its 1:1 on halfs and we have big chance to go through?

When did he say that?

Obviously when you're 3-0, saying "win the second half" is fine as part of a wider team talk. You win the 2nd half and you're in with a chance for the 2nd leg.

I'm all for critiquing Ole on the 1000 bad things he does as a manager but this isn't one of them. People are just complaining about everything now which is getting annoying.

Not really. A manager would have to be as dumb as a bag of rocks, extremely desperate or both, to put any stock into that 2nd half performance. I must have missed them playing with the same intensity as the 1st half... Call it as it is. We actually looked like a pub team throughout, with zero organisation on/off the ball. He's been here a year, what are we actually doing on the training pitch?

It's outrageous for Ole to even try and come out with spin like this when we've just played as embarrassingly as we did. He should be ashamed of himself. The sheer brass neck on him.

 

[Champagne Football]

There's no doubt with a Grealish and perhaps a Kroos in the summer, that Ole could do a much better job. Feel sorry for him. He was unable to land a midfielder in the summer, and you have to wonder if his lack of track record as a manager, is putting talented kids off from coming here.

But he's had to try and mold a bunch of kids, and a bunch of rejects from the last guys, together to see what happens, and has nowhere near the squad he would like to have.

 

[Mainoldo]

There's no doubt with a Grealish and perhaps a Kroos in the summer, that Ole could do a much better job. Feel sorry for him. He was unable to land a midfielder in the summer, and you have to wonder if his lack of track record as a manager, is putting talented kids off from coming here.

But he's had to try and mold a bunch of kids, and a bunch of rejects from the last guys, together to see what happens, and has nowhere near the squad he would like to have.

Poor guy. Has to work with Rashford; De Gea; Pogba; Maguire and Martial to name a few. If only we gave him Messi and Toni Kroos, he could stop playing about and coach the players.

 

[Witchking]

What is the problem with this? We did win the 2nd half.

Do you not really see an issue when the manager of one of the biggest clubs in the UK comes and says we won the second half?

Does winning the second half give United a better chance of going through since the first half was won by city and second half was won by United?

United lost at home and are almost out of the cup. You can twist it anyway but that's the truth.

We seem to be worse than RAWK at it's peak during the Rafa era.

 

[Champagne Football]

Poor guy. Has to work with Rashford; De Gea; Pogba; Maguire and Martial to name a few. If only we gave him Messi and Toni Kroos, he could stop playing about and coach the players.

When everyone's fit, we look half decent. But yes I think Pochettino would be a better fit. Happy to see Ole become a DOF here if he was ever sacked. He bleeds Man Utd despite his shortcomings as a coach.

 

[Mainoldo]

When everyone's fit, we look half decent. But yes I think Pochettino would be a better fit. Happy to see Ole become a DOF here if he was ever sacked. He bleeds Man Utd despite his shortcomings as a coach.

Ole just needs to go. He’s not a good manager and I have no evidence to prove he’s a good DoF. Poch would want to play it on the floor and he’d get him a target man knowing Ole.

 

[Majima]

Changing managers in general is like:

• throwing darts blindfolded
• not wearing a box when playing cricket
• banking on a politician to tell the truth
• trying to fly your new kite in a hurricane
• eating chicken pizza left-overs two weeks later
• trying to find an original post in this thread

You're talking rubbish. Tell that to Leicester fans. I suppose they should have stuck with Puel?

Doesn't matter that he was sacked after 16 months, 12th, having lost 4 out of last 5 league games... He would have had them 2nd the next season too i'm guessing?

 

[Shakesy]

You're talking rubbish. Tell that to Leicester fans. I suppose they should have stuck with Puel?

Doesn't matter that he was sacked after 16 months, 12th, having lost 4 out of last 5 league games... He would have had them 2nd the next season too i'm guessing?

Unfortunately you failed to see the point I made in the post.

"Unlikely to pay off"

Unlikely.

 

[ash_86]

If by hippy managers you mean someone modern in their thinking, has their team playing good football with not much resources and can spot talent then I wouldn't have any problem giving them a chance. Ole doesn't excel in any of these criterias which should be a basic at any half decent club.


As I said before, people have their own opinions on Poch but looking at managers stats 99% of them would say he's in the top 10 list of the best manager in the world. Where would Ole appear on that list? Why do people feel he couldn't do a better job than Ole? I just don't understand when people say no one else can get better out of this squad.

If Ole stays and we do (hopefully) sign much better players Ole still has to coach them. Something he's never done before so it's going to be another learning curve for him. Should a club the size of United have to depend on someone continually learning on the job, or would it be better to hire someone who already has the experience? And I'm not talking about Moyes, VG or Mou because they were never a right fit for us in the first place.

I'm also all up for a modern manager but do you honestly see our board signing Nagelsmann as our next appointment? The ones in our board does not think that way and we can infer that from the managers they have signed till now. What we want and what the board will do are two different things.

Jose would also be on the top 10 list of managers in the world but we all know how that went with us. I don't have anything against Potch honestly , i rate him better than Ole ofcouse but not hight enough to say that he'd be perfect for United or we'll win titles under him. With a better settled squad Poch had a pretty bad record against top 6 with spurs. The next appointment for me should be someone who can tactically astute , can mould young players , not afraid to play them and as well as a winner. No point in doing half upgrades anymore as far as i'm concerned.

Again i'd not change anything right now as we're still locked in the fight for top 4. If we could secure top 4 or win Europa then i might prefer to keep Ole and build on. Else someone like Tuchel would be my preferred option.

 

[Rolaholic]

We really are Banter FC

 

[Majima]

Unfortunately you failed to see the point I made in the post.

"Unlikely to pay off"

Unlikely.

Says who? Yes I failed to see your point because it makes zero logical sense whatsoever.

Where is your evidence? What is your point? Everyone in the world should carry on supporting incompetence and should not attempt change? How does that make any sense?

 

[Shakesy]

Says who? Yes I failed to see your point because it makes zero logical sense whatsoever.

Where is your evidence? What is your point? Everyone in the world should carry on supporting incompetence and should not attempt change? How does that make any sense?

I say so. This is a forum right?

 

[Craig Ward]

The Ole bashing is wearing very thin - it's like people have to repeat the same old line every 20 seconds or they explode.

Ole is tying his best with a squad littered with 4 other managers players, working under an inept board and constant criticism from his own fans.

He's trying to overhaul an aged, tired, under performing squad under the worst CEO for transfer dealing in modern history, while trying to remain positive and integrate youth players.

He has an impossible job

 

[Paul_Scholes18]

We really are Banter FC

That showed they had respect for us. Normally City do not do specific tactics and just use the normal patterns and structure that we see in most games.

 

[VP89]

Not really. A manager would have to be as dumb as a bag of rocks, extremely desperate or both, to put any stock into that 2nd half performance. I must have missed them playing with the same intensity as the 1st half... Call it as it is. We actually looked like a pub team throughout, with zero organisation on/off the ball. He's been here a year, what are we actually doing on the training pitch?

It's outrageous for Ole to even try and come out with spin like this when we've just played as embarrassingly as we did. He should be ashamed of himself. The sheer brass neck on him.

You're complaining because he told the team, as part of a wider team talk, to win the second half. He knows the performance was shite, he said it himself that its the worst he's seen us play. But you've honed in on one sentence, "go out and win the second half" and have a problem with it. There is no spin whatsoever. How the feck is there a spin on his post match interview when he said it's the worst he's seen us play.

fecking hell get a grip, we all know Ole is completely out of his depth but the context of his post match was fine. If Ferguson lost 3-1 he'd say 1) we were shite in the first half. 2) We did better in the second half. 3) we have a chance in the next leg. That's literally all Ole said.

Do you not really see an issue when the manager of one of the biggest clubs in the UK comes and says we won the second half?

Does winning the second half give United a better chance of going through since the first half was won by city and second half was won by United?

Yes. It literally does. Winning the second half means we go into the 2nd leg with a 2, 1 or zero goal deficit to make up for. Not winning the second half means we have to fight from 3-0 down. What don't you understand about that?

United lost at home and are almost out of the cup. You can twist it anyway but that's the truth.

We seem to be worse than RAWK at it's peak during the Rafa era.

Me, nor Ole are twisting anything. He said it's the worst performance he's seen. He only said "we had to win the second half" when he was asked himself by the reporter what he said at half time. Come on lad, there are 1000 legitimate issues with Ole and you're picking a fight with an interview he said nothing wrong in. feck sake.

 

[Shakesy]

Says who? Yes I failed to see your point because it makes zero logical sense whatsoever.

Where is your evidence? What is your point? Everyone in the world should carry on supporting incompetence and should not attempt change? How does that make any sense?

Sigh.

My point is that changing managers is unlikely to pay off.

My evidence is the 100 managers playing musical chairs.

 

[jimmyb2000]

United's form since : LDL

Looking bloody good,Ole.

Something must be wrong as Ole says we only lose 1 match every month?

 

[momo83]

Edit: we still do! Just saw interviews from the stadium last night. The boys are as sensible as ever. But we are attracting an absolute shit house online..

Said while posting online.

Your right on one thing thou. Fan interviews after the matches at OT many say Ole is out of his depth and should be replaced.

 

[momo83]

You're talking rubbish. Tell that to Leicester fans. I suppose they should have stuck with Puel?

Doesn't matter that he was sacked after 16 months, 12th, having lost 4 out of last 5 league games... He would have had them 2nd the next season too i'm guessing?

Liverpool should not have sacked Hodgson after 6 months... they’d have won a Champions League under him

 

[Iowred]

I wish he’d just go, resign or sacked, don’t really care. So out of his depth it’s frightenin. Standards have fallen off a cliff at United and we must be the worse run club from boardroom to manager. I know Ed is a parasite but he doesn’t pick the team or tactics, that’s the manager. Surely Ed doesn’t doesn’t tell OGS to have 1 plan to beat a team which is basically sitting deep and hoping we can break on them. Unfortunately I think we all know Ed has a massive ego and sacking ole will show he made the wrong decision hiring OGS. The longer this goes on the more OGS will alienate himself from the fans, remember not all fans were around in 1999 ( I was before anyone asks ). The longer this goes on the further we will be from both Liverpool and city.


our standards are: Win the league.........

 

[Majima]

You're complaining because he told the team, as part of a wider team talk, to win the second half. He knows the performance was shite, he said it himself that its the worst he's seen us play. But you've honed in on one sentence, "go out and win the second half" and have a problem with it. There is no spin whatsoever. How the feck is there a spin on his post match interview when he said it's the worst he's seen us play.

fecking hell get a grip, we all know Ole is completely out of his depth but the context of his post match was fine. If Ferguson lost 3-1 he'd say 1) we were shite in the first half. 2) We did better in the second half. 3) we have a chance in the next leg. That's literally all Ole said.

After he's been here over a year now, If he knows himself it's the worst he's seen us play... why hasn't he resigned yet? We really were a pub team. He should feel ashamed to serve that tripe up to the fans. I don't know how he can get out of bed in the morning, let alone continue spouting the rubbish he does every week. He must be extremely deluded.

I watched his post press conference. I didn't see him apologising to the fans and making sure it wouldn't happen again, he was meek, looking to downplay the performance yet again, that's why he was focusing on the 2nd half so much.

Ole is a loser, with a loser's mentality. Has to have all the ex-players licking his boot. Mild criticism from RVP and he goes insane. His constant focus on the future, deflecting from his present failings sounds like he's a winner to you?

You're right it most likely would be taken differently if it was SAF. We know he's a winner and doesn't accept anything less than excellence. The same cannot be said of Ole. He cannot be a more polar opposite to him than he is now. Simple as that. We will probably get a repeat of this performance vs Liverpool next week too.

 

[momo83]

Anyways. Well beat Norwich by 3 or 4 on the weekend. The Ole In cult will come back talking about how people are angry we won , how ole is proving everyone wrong, new corner turned blah blah blah

 

[Canagel]

People here still talking about players, 4/5/6 more transfers windows are seriously deluded. He wouldn't even win the Championship. We are a big club with big resources that should demand the best in class, there's no reason for us to accept the rubbish being served up by him in any circumstances.
Get your head out of the sand and go watch some other teams play football. Liverpool kids beat Everton first team because they play in a proper system with manager having something called "tactical nuance". Brighton, Sheffields and even Leeds managers put together better patterns of attacking with lesser players than us.

The immediate problem is Solskjaer , if you don't see that you are clueless too and an enemy to our progress.

 

[Majima]

Liverpool should not have sacked Hodgson after 6 months... they’d have won a Champions League under him

Madrid should not have sacked Benitez after 7 months... he'd have won them 3 CL's in a row too i suspect.

 

[spiriticon]

Anyways. Well beat Norwich by 3 or 4 on the weekend. The Ole In cult will come back talking about how people are angry we won , how ole is proving everyone wrong, new corner turned blah blah blah

Isn't it the same every week on the caf? If we win, the Ole In crowd gets one up. If we lose, the Ole out crowd gets one up.

Boring.

 

[Shakesy]

Isn't it the same every week on the caf? If we win, the Ole In crowd gets one up. If we lose, the Ole out crowd gets one up.

Boring.

Absolutely.

 

[dove]

The Ole bashing is wearing very thin - it's like people have to repeat the same old line every 20 seconds or they explode.

Ole is tying his best with a squad littered with 4 other managers players, working under an inept board and constant criticism from his own fans.

He's trying to overhaul an aged, tired, under performing squad under the worst CEO for transfer dealing in modern history, while trying to remain positive and integrate youth players.

He has an impossible job

Is "trying his best" the only requirement for Manchester United manager's job? Feck me 95% of Caf would qualify then.

 

[Ralph1386]

Madrid should not have sacked Benitez after 7 months... he'd have won them 3 CL's in a row too i suspect.

The French Federation should not have sacked Domenech after the fiascos at Euros 2008 and WC 2010.

Fergie got six years, so should everybody else

 

[Josh 76]

Those 2 Wins against spurs and man city kept ole in the job.
Have we not won them, no way would be still be in charge

 

[Eriku]

Genuinely asking this question for people that want Ole to stay. If you had the option to keep Ole or to get a competent DOF that appoints a different manager which would you choose?

I'm asking because while I think he isn't good enough, I think Ole has gained people's support so far because he's been putting United's best interest at heart, planning for the future and has a vision for the club like a DOF does. And people support this because they know that Ed would not appoint a DOF so Ole right now is the best or closest thing to getting a DoF or someone that has a vision and plans for the future and has the club's best interest at heart.

So for the people that support Ole which option would you choose if given the chance. Keep Ole? Or get a Competent DOF who will appoint a manager?

I would choose a DOF, it's clear that we need someone who ensures continuity and who isn't just a money man.

 

[Foxbatt]

Anyways. Well beat Norwich by 3 or 4 on the weekend. The Ole In cult will come back talking about how people are angry we won , how ole is proving everyone wrong, new corner turned blah blah blah

Absolutely and then we will lose the next game after Norwich. And the next league game is Liverpool away. That should be interesting.

 

[TrustInOle]

The squad Ole inherited needed few key signings in defense and attack to challenge, they finished 2nd the previous season and gave Ole the honeymoon period that landed him the job.

The current squad looks as if it needs an entire new midfield and attack and even the defense isn't that good. Needs plus 350m spent or so in the upcoming markets to have any chance of a challenge, or even to finish 2nd or 3rd. Only 2 youngsters played looked any kind of worth (Williams and Greenwood).

No one told me in order to rebuild you need to nuke the entire squad and start from from scratch. By all means that's a terrible way of rebuilding.

The squad is in far worse state now and needs even more spending than the squad Ole inherited and that's coming after him getting his summer and spending 130m on defense and we still look as crap in defending as ever.

Sanchez was shocking, Lukaku has admitted he wanted out, Smalling didn't want to stay and fight for his place, whilst Herrera left because of a contract situation that started well before that season started yet alone when Ole was here. The only person you could question is Fellaini and he was a mixed bag at best that wanted more than he was worth. How was any of them being in the squad make us stronger, or for that matter on Ole?

As for finishing 2nd, Jose even called it a miracle to have gotten that set of players to 2nd, in a season everyone else was crap bar City. Any one knows we have been shocking for over 6 years, even longer as a club in whole ( Old trafford, Training facilities, youth academy ect).

As I keep repeating, sacking a manager again wont get us anywhere unless the club focus more on the footballing side.

 

[Zlatan Ibrahomovic]

Look at the players he had available against city. The coach is clearly not the issue here.

Keep Ole.

Sell useless players, Lingard, Jones, Andreas.

Buy players with a little bit of character. Strong centre forward. Midfield-commander.

Bring back Smalling next to Maguire so we get an aggressive backline capable of putting pressure on the opponents. Lindelöf is a luxery defender, way to passive and mindful of his after-game ratings for a team in shambles like ours.

Sell De Gea as a thank you for his service here. He deserves playing his final years in a proper club.

 

[Roboc7]

Sanchez was shocking, Lukaku has admitted he wanted out, Smalling didn't want to stay and fight for his place, whilst Herrera left because of a contract situation that started well before that season started yet alone when Ole was here. The only person you could question is Fellaini and he was a mixed bag at best that wanted more than he was worth. How was any of them being in the squad make us stronger, or for that matter on Ole?

As for finishing 2nd, Jose even called it a miracle to have gotten that set of players to 2nd, in a season everyone else was crap bar City. Any one knows we have been shocking for over 6 years, even longer as a club in whole ( Old trafford, Training facilities, youth academy ect).

As I keep repeating, sacking a manager again wont get us anywhere unless the club focus more on the footballing side.

Keeping an incompetent manager who is completely out of his depth won’t get us anywhere either.

We aren’t getting new owners, we aren’t getting a new CEO or a DOF, they’ll be no influx of high quality players. The one thing that can and will change is the manager and we can definitely get a better one.

 

[Eriku]

It is if most of the leagues are scissors now. You can persist with 2 men midfield, just realistically much harder to find that super 2 when our 3 even feels like 2

If most of the leagues are scissors then surely rock would wreak havoc? or am I misunderstanding the use of this metaphor?

 

[sect2k]

I think it's time for "Let's laugh at our own" thread on the caf, some of the responses here are way worst than anything RAWK ever provided. I haven't seen a single coherent argument from the Ole In crowd, just recycled excuses and twisted facts to fit the narrative, selective perception and conformation bias at it's finest.

 

[TsuWave]

how much incompetence can this club handle?

 

[TsuWave]

That showed they had respect for us.