Was it a cunning plan though?Wait...did i read this right? Ole lost Matic because he doesn't want to use him?
And as it is said couple of times; in this search for excuses Ole in brigade hugely underestimate manager's role in a team.
Manager' job is to plan roster and style. Then to implement that. If things are not going well, he needs to change something and adapt. That is called man management and that is something which separates world class managers from good managers and shit managers.
He had 6 free months last season to be ready for this season. Remember his quotes- " I have a plan"?
He had free time to evaluate squad which is something what nearly no manager doesn't have. Then this summer he should have plan better. If his plan was to play with no10 then:
1) He should have bought one if he thought that Lingard is not good enough. But lets face it, he thought that Lingard is good.
2) If he couldn't buy A target then he should have demand B target or C target( what is wrong with cheap short term fix?)
3) If he is not satisfied with his no10 options then why play with no10? Adapt ffs. Change formation.
I really don't know why i am wasting my time repeating same things over and over again.
Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion
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Exactly. We've put in some good performances against some of these teams, and the team and Ole deserve credit for some of those wins, but we've done it by relying on those teams giving us the sort of space where our plan can be implemented. As you say, when your main way of playing relies so heavily on the opposition teams giving you an inordinate amount of space to flourish, then you're very limited as a team. Because, as we've seen, when those teams wise up a bit, we're fecked.
Its not funny and it is pure dis respect. You can hate a player on the pitch but we do not know him personally to attack them.
He actually seems a very likeable person in all honesty
United's form since : LDL
Looking bloody good,Ole.
Yep, it took City one sucker punch game to wise up to us. As the only team to take a point off Liverpool this season using this method, it will be interesting to see whether they also have learnt lessons from that match.
I think he's going to remain until top 4 becomes impossible then he'll be shown the door. It'll be a few more months of inconsistency.
They did what now?
Don't be a dick.
I understand what you are saying an think fundamentally we agree. As I say, I accept we can't challenge immediately but that shouldn't stop us trying to appoint the best people available in their respective positions, that is how you progress most efficiently surely?
While I don't mind a bad result and certainly don't think I'm kneejerk, the team isn't progressing in fact I believe it's getting worse.
This is why I believe Ole needs to go. No matter the team this club should have a level of standards that goes beyond sentiment, for my money we are below that standard now and a better manager 'may' get more from this squad.
Thanks a lot for your personal opinion which has absolutely no bearing on anything
Agreed
mate, what you wrote was pathetic - don't try and defend it.
Well, we did?He said we won the 2nd half.
Technically we won the 2nd quarter
Well hiring the next one will be done by the same guy that hired the 3 dinosaur in the first place.
I feel your pain but surely one day they will get something right, right? Even if it's by pure fluke. The law of averages say so. If a lot of people on the caf can see what sort of manager we need then surely those at the club can see the same thing.
One thing is certain. Ole isn't the man for the job. Time and money won't change that so I'd rather take the risk of hiring another manager before we lose another couple of seasons. A lot of people don't rate Poch but I ask myself the question, is he a lot better manager than Ole and for me the answer is a resounding yes so is it really as big a risk as sticking with Ole?
Technically, they won the 17th ninetieth, the 33rd ninetieth and the 38th ninetieth. We won the 70th ninetieth but other than that 95.55555556% of the match was a draw.
I think if the board to give Ole a little cash in January to try and save the season, then this is the boards way of saying Ole is toast once top 4 becomes mathematically impossible. With the cash being saved for the new bloke (Pochettino or Nagelsmann) to spend in the summer. This is exactly what happened under Moyes and Van Gaal, both were given until top 4 was impossible before the trigger was pulled. With Jose it was different of course, as he was happy to just keep causing carnage and chaos until the board were left with no choice but to pay him off.
Mate, i dont know your background and i dont know your motivation for a post like this. But i have supported Inter since Rummenigge signed and i have watched most games the last 40 years. And i can tell you. Lukaku is still average. Inter is still average. Juventus have gone backwards and the Serie A is still shit! Dont even bring planning coaching and vision into an argument using Serie A as an example. Just makes you look like...
Most of the ones in Cafe wants a hippy manager up next but I don't think the board is going to go with that thought. Potch is a good manager but I don't think he'll be successful here with our structure and expectations.
The best bet in my openion would be to wait till end of season. We're still in shout for top 4 and still in some cups. Let it play out and we'll make a decision in the summer. Looks like Young is leaving, so as is Lingard hopefully. We're shredding unwanted players quit well and the team is Nice and trim to add on whoever comes in after.
Our recruitment has been so poor that getting results out of these players is a challenge for any manager that comes in. We needed to strip down before personnel could be added.
Touché, compadré!
Totally agree! A large portion of the fanbase seem to have difficulties letting go of the past. They dont recognize where the club is at and what limited player materiel we have. Ive seen tons of post "letting standard drop", but truth is, this is the standard. "how far we have fallen". Yes, this is how far! There is no quick fix to this (unless you can sign and get rith of 11 players in and out".. This is the results of years of, and i dont share the consensus on here. Mismanagement from the top. They are limited in their knowledge, but they have supported the mangers. The result is that we now have a squad built from 4 managers with different philosophies. Of course it is unbalanced. What did they expect? From my analasys we shouldnt be more than top 8 this year. And that was including Pogba, Martial and Tomnay through the season. I dont know what people expect, but they sure are living in the past if they think we have any right being in the top four! Its an overhaul and a rebuild. And anyone who has been part of any successful football team, or even work environment know what that takes. Its embarrassing the way this UTD community is developing.
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He said we won the 2nd half.
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What is the problem with this? We did win the 2nd half.
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So its 1:1 on halfs and we have big chance to go through?
Why? Both Pep and Ole had about the same outlook at the game. Most football people do around the world today.. What he says is dead right!
Why do you cringe? Its popular online? He cant get it right, can he? He just put the nail on the head both pressers yesterday. It was the worst he seen. He was hurt and angry like feck, but he smiled for one second, and UTD fans make a meme about it, like he was happy?
If anything make me cringe... This club is rotting alright.. Used to have the best fans in the world..
Edit: we still do! Just saw interviews from the stadium last night. The boys are as sensible as ever. But we are attracting an absolute shit house online..
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Not funny. Criticize the performance, sure.
But Lingard (or any person) caring for their family through tough times should be commended, and shows a lot of character. Think about that.
Why is he still here?
So naive from the board because hire a proper manager now give him cash we might get top 4 and even if not by this time next year we’ll be in a much better position
With recent history it will be to oversee the no spending in January, then move him upstairs so there is no compensation pay-out after the season ends.
Regardless of the stay or go conversation, I have sympathy for him and the job he took over. There was simply no point in trying to just do a mourinho and shove in some proven players and hope it works. He has started an overhaul 8 years in the making and while he may not be the right man for the job or be around to see the reward, these years simply need to happen. Fans need to accept it. I'm not saying longer than 18 more months but our structure, squad and character were an absolute shambles. If he does little other than change these things he will have done an OK job.
If by hippy managers you mean someone modern in their thinking, has their team playing good football with not much resources and can spot talent then I wouldn't have any problem giving them a chance. Ole doesn't excel in any of these criterias which should be a basic at any half decent club.
As I said before, people have their own opinions on Poch but looking at managers stats 99% of them would say he's in the top 10 list of the best manager in the world. Where would Ole appear on that list? Why do people feel he couldn't do a better job than Ole? I just don't understand when people say no one else can get better out of this squad.
If Ole stays and we do (hopefully) sign much better players Ole still has to coach them. Something he's never done before so it's going to be another learning curve for him. Should a club the size of United have to depend on someone continually learning on the job, or would it be better to hire someone who already has the experience? And I'm not talking about Moyes, VG or Mou because they were never a right fit for us in the first place.
Has he gone yet.
Yes.
By now we should at least be seeing a halt to the decline.
But although we are not in free fall, we may not have hit the bottom yet; wherever the bottom is.
My patience with United in general is wearing pretty thin.
We need a complete overall of the whole structure and not just a minor change.
This is a terrible time for all of the millions of loyal Manchester United fans and it is difficult to sense any optimism.
Unfortunately no.
I hope we can see a response. To be fair to him we has shown it before at times. Although the bigger picture look very dark.
Need to rotate the team against Norwich, but we have so few options. Will see what he does.
Need to rotate the team against Norwich, but we have so few options. Will see what he does.
I have been very much on the fence since Ole's appointment and still remain very skeptical about his managerial abilities, however when you step back and look at his tenure objectively, he hasn't done a great deal wrong.
Tactics: I have been really impressed with how he has set up against the big teams, some of his tactics against Tottenham, Chelsea and City have been excellent. He has set the team up to play to the strengths of the players we have, he used our ball playing defenders to move the ball to our forwards, bypassing our hardworking but technically lacking midfield of Fred and McTominay. It's the main reason we have struggled against the teams that deploy low blocks as we just don't have the creative players to open them up.
Squad & Transfers: This is probably the only area where there could be some blame attributed to Ole, but that is only because we don't know to what extent he was happy with our summer transfer business. While the three players we have bought in haven't been perfect they have had a positive impact on the team, the only issue is we needed more players and didn't get them, but that has been a theme over the Ed Woodward reign so is this down to Ole being too picky with the players or is it down to Ed not being able to get the deals done? We won't know for sure but if you put a gun to my head I'd probably say the blame lies with Ed not being able to get the deals done. Ole has been critised for constantly playing the likes of Lingard, Pereira and Jones, and I 100% agree none of them have any business being a Man Utd player, but with the injuries and the options available he hasn't had much of a choice.
General Attitude: This is the area where I feel a little more strongly than most. Jose was crucified in the media and on here for hanging his players out to dry publically, and now Ole is protecting the players in public and people are moaning too. I would guarantee he is speaking to the players behind closed doors about their issues, and if he isn't then he genuinely isn't the right man for us.
Our issues as a club go much deeper than simply Ole, yes there are some question marks over him, but even if you get someone like Poch will he not have the same problems with a lack of ambition from the board, or them not being able to get the right players in. If Ole gets all the players in he wants and we are still playing like shite then 100% get rid, but right now we need to give him some time to see how it plays out.
Tactics: I have been really impressed with how he has set up against the big teams, some of his tactics against Tottenham, Chelsea and City have been excellent. He has set the team up to play to the strengths of the players we have, he used our ball playing defenders to move the ball to our forwards, bypassing our hardworking but technically lacking midfield of Fred and McTominay. It's the main reason we have struggled against the teams that deploy low blocks as we just don't have the creative players to open them up.
Squad & Transfers: This is probably the only area where there could be some blame attributed to Ole, but that is only because we don't know to what extent he was happy with our summer transfer business. While the three players we have bought in haven't been perfect they have had a positive impact on the team, the only issue is we needed more players and didn't get them, but that has been a theme over the Ed Woodward reign so is this down to Ole being too picky with the players or is it down to Ed not being able to get the deals done? We won't know for sure but if you put a gun to my head I'd probably say the blame lies with Ed not being able to get the deals done. Ole has been critised for constantly playing the likes of Lingard, Pereira and Jones, and I 100% agree none of them have any business being a Man Utd player, but with the injuries and the options available he hasn't had much of a choice.
General Attitude: This is the area where I feel a little more strongly than most. Jose was crucified in the media and on here for hanging his players out to dry publically, and now Ole is protecting the players in public and people are moaning too. I would guarantee he is speaking to the players behind closed doors about their issues, and if he isn't then he genuinely isn't the right man for us.
Our issues as a club go much deeper than simply Ole, yes there are some question marks over him, but even if you get someone like Poch will he not have the same problems with a lack of ambition from the board, or them not being able to get the right players in. If Ole gets all the players in he wants and we are still playing like shite then 100% get rid, but right now we need to give him some time to see how it plays out.
Well His responses are always positive. Too positive that He sounds deluded. Not a good sign. Has Fergie ever done this? nope.
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