The top red stance of mocking people worried about the club is such a puzzling and weird attitude. I don't know another team on the planet with fans like ours, such a weird sense of superiority, and yet their superiority comes from....excepting mediocrity? Bizarre.
Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion
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I see Ole is being called all kinds of names. But people are not seeing that we are missing our key players. Our problem is that when they are missing, we have no one of quality to replace them from the bench.
We've looked awful with our key players in there too.
Are you including Pogba in that?
Maguire and McTominay would make yesterday an even match, i’m sure. Just look at how much Matic improved us.
That beeing said - how Ole again started with that midfield yesterday is beyond me.
The squad we went into the season with was far too weak. You can't be successful with a squad as thin as ours, it's a recipe for failure. No team stays fit all season, so you have to have players who can step in a come close to that of the first choice players. We've barely got first choice players.
Pogba has barely featured this season. McTominay's injury could not have come at a worse time. Matic is being featured but Ole clearly had relegated him to the bench. This is the problem he's dealing with. Of course, club has to take lot of blame, as we needed 2 midfielders in Summer alone. Ole wants a good number 10 but the club is failing him so he has to make do with what he has got like Lingard and Perreria who are awful. With Fred's resurgence, Mctominay's availability and Pogba as a 10/8, it was looking very exciting but alas.
Isn't this the purpose of coaching and training?
Since when were the likes of Matip, Wijnaldum, Henderson and co these machine-like players capable of winning the CL?
How does a player like Zinchenko play in a record-breaking team, with a near world record fee left back more popular for his social media?
Our very own legendary manager made players like John O'Shea and Park Ji-Sung exceptional when selected.
OGS is an icon of this club for obvious reasons, however it is a disservice to coaching if the only excuse we have is certain players are unavailable. It's true, but issues run deeper than that - and without ranting I'll also acknowledge that the squad generally isn't good enough - but coaching is meant to be part of the solution too.
What are you going to do. He started with paper thin squad. He thought he'd get lucky with injuries but the worse happened. We are struggling. And our situation cannot be compared to Klopp and Ferguson's squads. Park ji sun and O Shea were good squad players only, good supporting act, they were never core. Klopp is a good manager and Liverpool are clearly reaping profit for having been patient with him when he was not doing so well during the early days.
Solskjaer needs to be supported in the transfer market first. He needs 3 midfielders, the way i see it. In fact, any new manager would ask for more midfielders.
He let it happen. If you sell someone replace them. He has been hoping he could supplement the squad with kids, when most are either not good enough or not ready. Terrible judgement.
Were these players made of paper before they got here, probably not. The club needs to be gutted from top to bottom, the hierarchy, the manager, coaches, fitness and medical side , players everything. They have ridden on the coattails of SAF for years and just thought it would continue by chucking money at it. It takes good judgement as well in appointing managers, coaches and the recruitment of players. We have not had that.
Exactly. Now you can create all kinds of conspiracy theories regarding why we did not buy more midfielders. We just don't know. But the truth is Ole has done well with resurgence of Fred, promotion of Brandon Williams.
I never agreed with the decision to make Ole permanent before the season was over but now that it has happened lets build the squad with better younger players. Otherwise, i just don't see why Ole is being abused by colorful epithets,when we can see this squad requires quality additions.
Yesterday was once more really bad. Starting with the pre-match interview from Ole. He acts like an insecure man who wants to get the sympathy of everybody that he can do whatever he wants. Talking about that "hopefully" we won't be out of this tie at half time. Well guess what Ole: Actually we were.
Honestly after this sh*t-show yesterday I knew that I would be angry when I am hearing his usual propaganda routine the post-match interview. I mean we were crap. No movement, no assurance on the ball, nothing. Those players can't be that bad. Only Matic changed the game a little and was able to hold the ball. But let's not be conned: City took it easy. To speak about a great reaction in the second half like Ole is doing it is just pathetic.
This will be a hard month for us fans. I can only see us getting something next Saturday against Norwich. So we will be suffering. But no worries Ole, you are safe.
Honestly after this sh*t-show yesterday I knew that I would be angry when I am hearing his usual propaganda routine the post-match interview. I mean we were crap. No movement, no assurance on the ball, nothing. Those players can't be that bad. Only Matic changed the game a little and was able to hold the ball. But let's not be conned: City took it easy. To speak about a great reaction in the second half like Ole is doing it is just pathetic.
This will be a hard month for us fans. I can only see us getting something next Saturday against Norwich. So we will be suffering. But no worries Ole, you are safe.
The biggest insult would be if even he wouldn't come here.
The cost of not buying in the summer.
In the summer we had a real chance of buying decent players. Not world beaters but at least second tier quality.
After looking so clueless in so many games, how many of our quality targets would want to come here?
God knows how many years it will be to make us competitive for the league again. We may have to buy the best we can for now and replace them for better later.
Either that or do the strategy we have been burned with so many times - buy mercenaries who will only join on massive fees knowing in the back of our mind that if they don't work out we are stuck with them.
In the summer we had a real chance of buying decent players. Not world beaters but at least second tier quality.
After looking so clueless in so many games, how many of our quality targets would want to come here?
God knows how many years it will be to make us competitive for the league again. We may have to buy the best we can for now and replace them for better later.
Either that or do the strategy we have been burned with so many times - buy mercenaries who will only join on massive fees knowing in the back of our mind that if they don't work out we are stuck with them.
Ofcourse he is insecure and talks about "hopefully" when he is fielding Jones, Lingard and two 19-year olds against City...
As negligent as he can be, he would ofcourse know that they could potentially be in for a real spanking. I just cant fathom that he didnt start Matic and gambled on fit players on the return match.
He has a 49% win record as United manager, which is fecking shocking. But if you discount the first 19 games before he became permanent manager - of which he won 14 - then his win record since getting a permanent contract (42 games ago) is just 38%. That isn’t shocking, it’s fecking disgraceful. Sam Allardyce would’ve coached us to a better record than that.
I like his ideas, he’s clearly a top bloke, and his approach to club culture and transfer recruitment is spot on. But as a manager he doesn’t have a clue. His two closest confidantes are hugely inexperienced too. Phelan seems peripheral compared to KM and MC.
This club is proper fecked from top to bottom. It’s been said before and it has to keep being said, that unless there is mass fan unrest and boycotting, coupled with a sharp downtown in economic performance forcing an ownership change, nothing will improve on any significant level.
In the past people have locked how cynical and unforgiving fans of other super clubs are but they get results. Our incessant loyalty to managers and plights is our undoing. We are well on course for a Liverpoolesque era of irrelevance for the next 10-15 years at least. Unless the Glazers are forced out and excellence is once again rooted at the Center of everything we do.
We are currently a joke of a club. And I’m sorry to say it but we have a joke of a manager, as nice as he may be.
I like his ideas, he’s clearly a top bloke, and his approach to club culture and transfer recruitment is spot on. But as a manager he doesn’t have a clue. His two closest confidantes are hugely inexperienced too. Phelan seems peripheral compared to KM and MC.
This club is proper fecked from top to bottom. It’s been said before and it has to keep being said, that unless there is mass fan unrest and boycotting, coupled with a sharp downtown in economic performance forcing an ownership change, nothing will improve on any significant level.
In the past people have locked how cynical and unforgiving fans of other super clubs are but they get results. Our incessant loyalty to managers and plights is our undoing. We are well on course for a Liverpoolesque era of irrelevance for the next 10-15 years at least. Unless the Glazers are forced out and excellence is once again rooted at the Center of everything we do.
We are currently a joke of a club. And I’m sorry to say it but we have a joke of a manager, as nice as he may be.
Me neither. I know a lot of posters in here don't like Matic. Of course he is not the future of United but I think he is good at the ball and in his last few outings he also tries to play forward. Pereira in the middle of the park just isn't good enough.
Well it was his choice to start with those players.
O come on, for god sake. Some of you are so naive.
It's 39% actually.
He's become a meme at this point. A parody of himself. If he doesn't want his legacy ruined he steps down. Now.
He said we won the 2nd half.
I dont believe you.
There have been times when Ole has managed to make us look sh*t with a full side out. What has he done to Maguire? He does not look the player for Leicester and England. Lindelof has never been great, but he has made him even worse. DDG gets a contract, even though he is costing us goals.Signs a RB who cannot attack and a LW that he plays on the right and now looks completely lost. Jones gets a contract, then he decides actually that was a bad decision, too late Ole. He is on a rehabilitation mission with Lingard, when he has never been that good. Wants to sign every young player in the country, when it is obvious we need some experience and guidance and leadership in this team and most of all quality. If he wants to produce young players go back to managing the U-23's.
I just don't have anything to say anymore.
The sheer cluelessness on the pitch is worrying. Persisting with turd level players like Lingard is mind boggling. Inability to change games using subs is worrying. His demeanor in the press is annoying for me at least. I 100% agree with RvP with the context of Arsenal game. We know nothing other than counter attack.
On the other hand the squad management looks shocking but needs to be done. We don't get that money for Lukaku next year. We needed to ship Sanchez. Players like Young need to leave. He is adding youth players. His signings i would say haven't been terrific but are much better than Jose's dross(Bailly Lindelof Matic).
Honestly i think the underachievement on the football side has more weightage in the end and if Ole keeps failing, I am afraid he has to go at the end of the season
The sheer cluelessness on the pitch is worrying. Persisting with turd level players like Lingard is mind boggling. Inability to change games using subs is worrying. His demeanor in the press is annoying for me at least. I 100% agree with RvP with the context of Arsenal game. We know nothing other than counter attack.
On the other hand the squad management looks shocking but needs to be done. We don't get that money for Lukaku next year. We needed to ship Sanchez. Players like Young need to leave. He is adding youth players. His signings i would say haven't been terrific but are much better than Jose's dross(Bailly Lindelof Matic).
Honestly i think the underachievement on the football side has more weightage in the end and if Ole keeps failing, I am afraid he has to go at the end of the season
He said we were better 2nd half.
Wjazever he's doing he's not getting a response from the players. He should realize that.
Sadly it is true. Those things you are telling your kids while playing out in the park. But not at a professional level FFS
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That was only a great response in the second half if we scored more. City we pretty comfortable.
You have to be fair, Ole has lost key players for large amounts of the season. Pogba out for seemingly ever is a huge hit in your midfield and then having McT out at the same time is disasterous, as soon as he was injured, you knew that Utd would lose the next few games as Pereira and Lingard, though they both play hard and can't be accused of being lazy are just not good enough and Fred is not the man to carry it all by himself.
People blame Ole for letting the squad get too thin, but read what any of the previous Utd managers say and they all claim that they didn't get the players or positions they wanted, so I'd be tempted to blame Judge and Woodward far more for not getting in the players Ole clearly had identified.
I like what Ole is trying to do but having him, Carrick and McKenna all together is just not enough experience and frankly Phelan doesn't add much more. So out of those I think you do need to replace Ole, but he's been dealt a terrible hand.
He just doesn't have enough ideas for me as a manager... when plan A doesn't work, he generally looks stumped.
He did make a substitution at half time last night though, so that was surprising.
He did make a substitution at half time last night though, so that was surprising.
What I find sad and depressing was, that given how poor we were in the first half, it took the half-time break to make any changes and tweaks to our team and system. it was obvious quite quickly into the game that our setup was ill prepared for the onslaught their packed midfield presented and we desperately required adjustments. That’s the manager’s job!
His changes were probably Phelan's. Ole was hired by ManUnited and He hired Phelan to be his mentor.
He needs to be given the same amount of time as his predecessors. Once Champions League qualification is gone, then his job needs to be reviewed.
Before that time, there's too many if, buts and maybes to take yet another gamble on a new manager.
Before that time, there's too many if, buts and maybes to take yet another gamble on a new manager.
Honest question, what actually is our Plan A?
Counter Attack innit.
Even when they've got 10 men behind the ball.
Actually we do have a Plan B... which is just knock it around and see what happens.
How is Ed Woodward's job not on the line here as well as the manager's? There can't be any doubt now that he has mismanaged the post-Fergie era whether it be transfers, managerial appointments, governance structures inside the club.
I love Ole but I hate the lowering of expectation of the club. I accept from our current position short term success is difficult, but that shouldn't stop or mid to long-term ambition. We are one of the biggest clubs in the world. Imagine if over the next 5 years (however unlikely) we ammassed one of the best squads in Europe. I am convinced that they would not be being managed by a top tier manager in Ole. If he wasn't a legend he would have been nowhere near the job, an din e having the job full-time has done nothing to prove the doubters wrong. Even our summer signings are getting worse following a few months of coaching in this team.
As I say, Ole the player is a legend, but the ambitions of this club shouldn't be based around sentiment. No other club of our size would accept the results and be as reluctant to improve the team as we are, it's an absolute parody.
I think we too easily forget that 10 years ago we were one of the best teams in the world. We are up there with Madrid, Barca, Bayern and of course Liverpool. The board and media speel would have you believe that meandering our way to first for fourth each year is "back where we belong".
Ed and the board are the biggest problem, but I stress Old as much as we love him isn't ever going to be the man to turn the playing side around, so why prolong the inevitable?
We've brought in 3 footballing dinosaurs and somebody who doesn't have a clue how to manage a top level club. Over a billion has been spent so are they really that competent? or maybe for the first time we should try a manager who understands modern football. Times have changed. We haven't.
If Lingard was actually ill then he had no choice. If Lingard wasn't poorly you wonder how long we would have had to suffer until Matic was brought on. Lingard is not much better even when he is fit and well.
I don't want to entertain the possibility that Lingard was ill... because if he was ill that means he was ill before the game, and that means that not only did Ole pick him to start despite him being even more awful then usual of late, he also picked him knowing he was ill too.
And that would make Ole the biggest idiot on earth.
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