Still smiling for fecks sake. SACK HIM
Would be a start.
Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion
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Would be a start.
Doesn’t allow for the first 3 months when caretaker. These stats are boring now
What is his qualification for this job, apart from having some limited managerial experience?
Isn't that more worrying that the caretaker period was nothing but reaction from the Jose sacking.
I really wish 'fans' like AndyRoberts would feck off to city
Mate, he just needs time. We all know time fixes all the glaring issues Ole has as a manager.
No not really. If we are going to do stats like that then include the caretaker period. If it’s still shit, fair enough, no arguments.
Let's be clear on this. Both sides are being incredibly sanctimonious about this situation.
However, theres only one set of supporters who flood this forum with negativity after every match, press conference, rumour etc etc etc.
Its really, really tiresome to have to wade through, and it doesnt represent the mood of the match going fans that I meet and speak to at games, which sorry to say makes it closer to being little more than a bunch of angry keyboard warriors in my view.
Don't belittle LVG - even after poor transfers and a injury raveged second season - if people couldn't see what we had coming by the end of the FA Cup win then that was the supporters fault.
People & fans who were crying out for Jose were on the same level as Woodward which was a poor decision going from LVG to Jose was like going from Plan A to Plan Z.
The difference between now and then was most United supporters know we have to go through a transition period - if LVG had come in now more people would have accepted what he was doing after Jose, Ole & Moyes tenure - that's why people are accepting of Ole. People didn't accept LVG because everyone still wanted United to challenge for the title and if not atleast get the top 4 spots whatsoever - no matter what was happening or built under neath.
Then why can't he replicate those first run of games?
The money will start to slow. Not being in the CL again while losing your star player will have an effect on profits.
The sponsors will not be happy with the results or the negativity.
Cant keep defending someone based on the results he had 12 months ago. Judge him on the here and now, which is nowhere near good enough.
Get paid millions upon millions yet can't be expected to do your job. Its a joke, is it not?
This is also not true.
Manchester United can afford a net spend of £150 million, annually, before they run risk into financial trouble. The club also have over £200+ million in cash reserves, a positive earning curve and is in the hands of a guy who has done a tremendously good job in a club that is saddled with its owners debt.
MUFC's operating income is expected to go down slightly this season after last years record financial numbers, but CL football is not make or break for the club thanks to its corporate structure and commercial deals. We just signed the biggest shirt sponsor deal in football history.
Between AWB, James, Maguire and Dybala (For Romelu), MUFC were happy to attempt to sit with a spending bill of £150m+ the attempted purchase of Sean Longstaff adding another £30m (or was it 20m, cant recall), bringing our total net spending very close to £190m. They were happy to do that, and tried to get it done. Unfortunately, Dybalas image rights proved to be too massive a hurdle to overcome, with the deal becoming very, very messy. Dybala does not own his own image rights and is in a legal dispute with his former agency who does won it. it had the potential to come back and bite MUFC in the ass and so it was not possible to get done. The club also tried to get Mario Mandzukic as a add-on to the deal to give the squad some forward depth, not intending to use the Croatian as a regular starter. The deal fell through when the Dybala one did. MUFC were going to have to add money to get Mandzukic. Threatining to up the net spend to£200 million.
There was also an offense done on Christian Eriksen but he did not want to move to a club in Britain.
Now, all of this is what actually happened in the summer transfer window. But it didn't, and we didn't have a big enough spend in the end so now a lot of you are up in arms about the club saving money awaiting a takeover, that is another silly notion all on itself.
Manchester United is self funded. The Glazers do not put any money into the club and they do not own the cash reserve. Healthy finances surely do have a say in stock buyers willingness to trade stock in the club and drive up prices, but something that has a far, far better effect on that is Success. Good PR. Success on the pitch attracts investors and the clubs value goes up. The Glazers have every interest in the world in bringing about sporting success to the club. And quite frankly the club has spent money left and right for years now. Our spending has been bad, the club is actively trying to change that by applying a new recruitment strategy, the same one you found with Sir Alex. You bring in players who are staples in the squad for the next decade, instead of completing a full roster turnover every 3 years.
Look at the Rio/RVP most match. Rio says SAF told Rooney, Carrick and Scholes that if they do not pass to RVP when he is making a move, he will drop them from the team. If they do not pass, he screams at them and that is probably why bthe goal against Villa came about. He also said that it is not happening now because players are not making that pass and there doesn't seem to be any consequence of not making that positive pass. It seems that give it to Martial and hope he does something.
I don’t understand his obsession with double pivot...and playing a number 10 when we clearly don’t have one that’s any good.
We’ve played the best football in recent times with 433
the below isn’t even fantasy, football manager. It’s achievable. We already have 20 of said players...
GK DeGea, Romero, Henderson
RB WanBissaka, Dalot
LB XXX, Williams
CB XXX, Maguire, Lindelof, Tuanzebe
DCM XXX, McTominay, Garner
MRC XXX, Fred
MLC Pogba, Pereira, Gomes
AML/FLC Rashford, James
AMR/FRC XXX, Chong
SC XXX, Martial, Greenwood
SELL Rojo, Jones, Bailly, Lingard, Mata, Matic, Young and Shaw
We’ve played the best football in recent times with 433
the below isn’t even fantasy, football manager. It’s achievable. We already have 20 of said players...
GK DeGea, Romero, Henderson
RB WanBissaka, Dalot
LB XXX, Williams
CB XXX, Maguire, Lindelof, Tuanzebe
DCM XXX, McTominay, Garner
MRC XXX, Fred
MLC Pogba, Pereira, Gomes
AML/FLC Rashford, James
AMR/FRC XXX, Chong
SC XXX, Martial, Greenwood
SELL Rojo, Jones, Bailly, Lingard, Mata, Matic, Young and Shaw
If only football was that simple right?
The club is a total cult at this point, with fans worshipping at his feet. I bet there's a big correlation between people having a non-analytical background and Ole in supporters.
No they couldn't, there isn't a single club that can.
I don't even really blame Ole. I loved him as a player. It's just that he's out of his depth. It was a nice idea, it failed. What exacerbates the situation, is that some of our fanbase are again refusing to see the obvious, and on top of that telling other fans, who are critical, to go support other clubs etc. It's pathetic.
Well what could the consequence possibly be right now? If Fred doesn’t make the pass he’s dropped for who exactly? Matic? Garner? Some under 12? We don’t have anyone to drop these players for. Threatening these players when they’re all we have is a fast track to José season 3 scenario, and that would see Solskjaer sacked 100%.
I would imagine he’s secretly seething about the current situation but calling people out for being absolutely shit is like beating your wife because she’s not Margot Robbie. These players just aren’t what we want them to be no matter how angry we get about it.
Wow. Great post. Looks right. Won't fact check. But very good. Hope people care to read it.
I bet there’s a big correlation between domestic abuse and Ole out supporters.
Good post.
It's all getting a bit daft in here now
He he he. Nice retort sir!
People see what they want to see. I love Ole but we're regressing. Ole pushed a lot of players out that we thought needed to leave, and brought in some players that we thought are better, but here we are, so what was the point?
In which top club in europe does a manager get a pass for a year and a half without making any progress? None. Ole already deemed this season a season of discovering what we need to do next.
Some fans are so caught in the romance of it all, god knows I was, but this club is too big to be this mediocre. We don't have a director of football, which means having a top experienced manager is a must to compensate for that, instead we have a very inexperienced manager at a time that needed so much rebuilding. I don't think it's inevitable that he fails, but the whole thing is a recipe for failure, we aren't set up to succeed.
In which top club in europe does a manager get a pass for a year and a half without making any progress? None. Ole already deemed this season a season of discovering what we need to do next.
Some fans are so caught in the romance of it all, god knows I was, but this club is too big to be this mediocre. We don't have a director of football, which means having a top experienced manager is a must to compensate for that, instead we have a very inexperienced manager at a time that needed so much rebuilding. I don't think it's inevitable that he fails, but the whole thing is a recipe for failure, we aren't set up to succeed.
It was a clever retort to a badly thought out post.
The original poster used the notion of correlation inferring causation, something anyone with even basic statistical training knows to be something you cannot infer from a correlation.
The problem is not the transition of the club - it's the poor decision he makes
Why play Lingard at CAM when pereira has come in to some decent form at CAM and Lingard has struggled for over a year?
Why take Greenwood off at RW playing next to Rashford & Martial when he looks like the final piece of the attack that we have been missing for over a decade and scoring nearly a goal a game and is nearly a fresh player this season to atleast start 45 mins in that game to scare arsenal off?
Why break Williams form when he hardly has a bad game when Shaw seems to hardly have an average game himself?
Why start the season off by selling our best and most consistent defender for the last 5 years over multiple different managers and different tactics including possession and counterattacking in Smalling - only to lengthen contracts of defenders like Jones.
Why not give Rojo & Maguire a chance or maybe Tuenzebe if Lindelof makes a mistake - why not give Romero a chance when De gea is officially making the most mistakes in the Premier league?
Even if the guy is leaving - why not try out Gomes more in his best position over players like mata & Lingard to see if he can be useful in matches?
Like why?
Why such poor choices?
I like the whole rebuilding thing - I honestly do, but all the bad decisions I just can't stand it & it just makes me believe that he is guessing what to do than having a plan what to do.
Why play Lingard at CAM when pereira has come in to some decent form at CAM and Lingard has struggled for over a year?
Why take Greenwood off at RW playing next to Rashford & Martial when he looks like the final piece of the attack that we have been missing for over a decade and scoring nearly a goal a game and is nearly a fresh player this season to atleast start 45 mins in that game to scare arsenal off?
Why break Williams form when he hardly has a bad game when Shaw seems to hardly have an average game himself?
Why start the season off by selling our best and most consistent defender for the last 5 years over multiple different managers and different tactics including possession and counterattacking in Smalling - only to lengthen contracts of defenders like Jones.
Why not give Rojo & Maguire a chance or maybe Tuenzebe if Lindelof makes a mistake - why not give Romero a chance when De gea is officially making the most mistakes in the Premier league?
Even if the guy is leaving - why not try out Gomes more in his best position over players like mata & Lingard to see if he can be useful in matches?
Like why?
Why such poor choices?
I like the whole rebuilding thing - I honestly do, but all the bad decisions I just can't stand it & it just makes me believe that he is guessing what to do than having a plan what to do.
You know the answer, I know the answer, pretty much everyone knows the answer except "Ole in" gang. He is a terrible coach who should be nowhere near the Premier League, let alone club like United.
The worry is that he isn't inexperienced, he has been managing for a decade now, he simply has a career at a much lower level. Now the other day, I told myself that maybe he will do a Sarri and slowly climb the football ladder and find success later. Everything is possible.
Imagine the Scousers with that attitude during the H&G days.
"We're going into administration guys. The sooner you accept it the better."
Our rebuild is like trying to make a sandcastle with dry sand. You keep trying your best, but the fecker keeps falling down. We need a coach who can coach and install a playing style into the club
Like honestly I find myself one day 'Ole in' because of the rebuilding thing because he seems to be on the right path -
Then the next match when we don't require it, he completely wrecks the tactics, the line up, any confidence and form of the players and changes everything and people wonder why we end up drawing or losing.
Then I find myself back at Ole out.
That's why I think this is just pure Guess work, Ole doesn't know what he is doing, he doesn't have a plan - he loves the club & has the right intention but doesn't have the right tactics or the right ideas to implent it here.
When you know that for almost a year the only corners we take is the far post for our CB to head you know then he has no clue. For someone who has coached a top club in Norway he seems very naive. He does not seem to know how to play a system that his players can play. He seems to try to fit the players into a system they cannot play. As you said his game management is so poor. Look at the Arsenal and Chelsea game. The changes Lampard brought was why Arsenal lost.
Really any club that is aspiring to be the top is not going to accept this type of coaching.
Why should it allow for those 3 months?
Because it’s convenient to leave out a record breaking winning streak because it doesn’t suit a narrative.
As I said yesterday, if we really want to be sensationalist then why not just go with the good old “0% win ratio this calendar year” instead?
Going back to the smiling thing... is it not quite obvious that the gauky smile is actually one of his nervous twitches?
I bet that's why he overreacted to RVP's comments as well, he's quite sensitive about it.
I bet that's why he overreacted to RVP's comments as well, he's quite sensitive about it.
United vs Newcastle - in my opinion we played very near our best line up we could and I finally felt that Ole had got in to gear & we were on the right path. Injuries can't be stopped but it looked like the opposition genuinely couldn't handle us that game and were scared.
United vs Burnley - I wasn't happy with the line up & too much changed from the Newcastle line up but we had injuries & I had assumed we needed players to be rested for the match against Arsenal. Fair enough we manage to draw out a very good result.
United vs Arsenal - Officially played one of the weakest United teams we could in comparison to the team vs Newcastle - I was genuinely shocked seeing that line up & Ole completely destroyed that team tactically, its form and any underlying understanding it was building up. He seemed to think that playing the tactics and formation that beat Tottenham & City a month ago was just going to be good enough to beat arsenal & that was that - we should just not used what was being used for the last couple games & had proven to be better aswell (pereira, Greenwood & possibly Williams)
All the form that martial, Rashford & Greenwood were building up is dead now & has to be started again - like why? When did we ever break down our players in form especially against tough opposition when we have the chance to be a point away from top 4.
Absolutely baffling.
The guy has no clue unfortunately for us.
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