I would keep him for now, probably even till the end of the season as it becomes pointless to sack him the more we go deeper into the season, but he shouldn't safe in the job be by any means. We should start scouting other managers and talking with them so that when we decide to sack him in May we have the replacement ready.
Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion
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I would keep him for now, probably even till the end of the season as it becomes pointless to sack him the more we go deeper into the season, but he shouldn't safe in the job be by any means. We should start scouting other managers and talking with them so that when we decide to sack him in May we have the replacement ready.
I don't think he's as 'clueless' as people make out but I do think he's making a Moyes-esque presumption that he's going to have lots of time to assess things and THEN put them right. There's loads left to play for but a finish of 6 or 7th place with no trophy after a year and a half is a step backwards i'm afraid. Didn't Liverpool sack Kenny Dalglish after two cup finals and an 8th place finish?
As I've said many times, (and it's not in reaction to an away draw against a very very good team in Wolves) my biggest grievance is the idiots above him who find it difficult to do more than 3 transfers in a summer window.
As I've said many times, (and it's not in reaction to an away draw against a very very good team in Wolves) my biggest grievance is the idiots above him who find it difficult to do more than 3 transfers in a summer window.
Wouldn't be surprised if Woody launched him this summer and brought Poch in if we don’t get CL.
The "project" should suit Poch down to the ground too, he loves working with young squads so in many ways Ole is the perfect caretaker for him.
Maybe that is the true long term masterplan that we'll all missing.
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Sceptical that it’s a masterplan tbh, just that Woody would have no problem launching him for if a perceived better option was there, similar to LVG.
Since when the 7th team in the league is a very very good team? Are Crystal Palace a very good team?
I was taking the piss to be fair.
One thing we can be 100% certain of is that we are reactionary at board room level with regards to managers and transfers. Ole is actually the perfect example of this, he should've been the perfect Jose antidote and waved on his way an absolute hero but that's not how our board work.
People still cant distinguish between Ole the player and Ole the manager. As shocking as his performance as a United manager
That's the quality of the league now, some of those Wolves players would easily get into the top 6 teams. They've also beaten City twice in the league..
That's not exactly new, teams outside of the top 6 have always had players that could easily play for top 6 teams, that's where you find top 6 players that don't come from top 6 clubs academies. We are not a very very good team and they are worse than us.
Yep, Saudi’s or no one I’m afraid. That’s the reality.
It's not just convenient. You can of course argue about different forms and degrees of pressure between then and now. But the dynamic was totally different nonetheless.
He did not believe he would become the permanent manager. The players didn't. The fans didn't. Before the 10 match win streak nobody gave us a chance of a top four finish. Nobody expected us to go through to the next round in the CL either.
And it's undeniable that the "Ole effect" was absolutely obliterated from the moment he signed that contract. The players downed tools. Not least because they saw that a top manager wasn't going to come in who they'd have to impress.
You can't hold it against the board for giving Ole the job full time. Any sane person would have done the same thing given similar circumstances.
After a torrid season under the toxic one, Ole takes over and promptly leads the team to a 10-game winning streak. How could they not have awarded him the job full time after that?
I think it’d be a mistake to wait until summer just because we’ll be in the “need to assess the squad” phase which’ll set us back one (vital) transfer window.
Better to get someone in now who can start assessing the squad right away and who can act in the summer window.
I’m pro Ole but I still reckon Poch is lined up for Summer. He was on his way to us before Ole went on the wining streak so I think the manager’s seat is just being kept warm whilst Ole does his thing with the reset and gives Poch a decent base to continue the rebuild. Just a feeling.
Sorry Random but we're talking about a multi billion dollar business here and the decision to give Ole the full time job was reactionary, which is never a good idea.
They could and should have waiting until the Summer, saw how the season ended, done their due diligence, interviewed Ole and other targeted candidates and then decided on the right man for the job.
I don't think the players have downed tools, as such, it's more a case of them having little to no competition for places and a manager who acts more like a mate than a boss. That's my biggest grievance with Ole as the manager, he doesn't strike me as a leader in any sense of the word, which is exactly what our players need. Spoiled brats the lot of them.
If the worst comes to the worst and Ole gets fired, it's absolutely imperative that we hire someone that will continue with the plan.
For me, the plan is the most important thing and im fully behind Ole because he is making the right moves to see it through.
Personally I would back Nagelsman as the best man for the job if we had our pick of realistic targets.
The thing which maybe frightens me the most is how our standards are low under Ole. During Moyes and Lvg we had bad results but every bad game, every loss and every draw was treated like something which is not normal. Among fans and media. It was a sign ( at least i see it like that) that we are still big club.
Under Ole losing games is just another day in office. No big fuss in media and among fans. It is a path to mediocrity i am afraid.
Under Ole losing games is just another day in office. No big fuss in media and among fans. It is a path to mediocrity i am afraid.
Adama traore could start for us? I don't even... Every team that plays well against us suddenly has players who could start for us
We have a lot of quotes from our players to suggest that he is capable of giving out a bollocking. He is never going to be the type of manager that will criticise individuals publicly, and I wouldn't want a manager that did that.
Amen. You’ve spoken a lot of sense today fella.
Or it could just be a collective understanding of the size of the task we are facing at the moment. Squads are not rebuilt overnight. Cultures are not rebuilt overnight.
The hate mob will claim some shit like the media all love Ole because hes a nice chap. No manager gets an easy ride because they are liked.
You gotta be kidding me. Any sane person and how they could not give him a job after 10 wins in a row, really?! If plan was to give him interim till end of the season and use that period to look for a DoF without distractions and finally make a decision about permanent role at the end of season, nobody would die if they went like that.
There was no rush to give him permanent job in middle of 2nd half of the season, no reason at all, only morons would make such a call and miss on complete performance and result review at the end. No other top club would go for him regardless of his results etc, so there was no danger at all in that regard.
I'm guessing this is how AC Milan ended up where they are today. It certainly feels very Liverpool of the 90's with deluded fans convinced Souness or Roy Evans cared about the club and were the men to make next year their year despite them getting worse and worse.
Cheers mate
The media are completely indifferent to us, that was his point, we've very quickly subverted all expectations.
You should be blaming the club not Ole for that
We still seem to be on as many back pages as we ever were. I cant imagine how you've reached the conclusion that we are irrelevant now.
I blame the club for being trigger happy with Ole, he was supposed to be a stop gap to get the good feeling back into the club after Mourinho had sucked the life out of it. In the Summer full due diligence should have been done and a top manager who buys into the club's long term plan put in place. Top managers convince the likes of Sancho or Dybala to join them.
Instead the club got giddy and employed a guy who was so ridiculously under qualified for the role, and worse still it was then decided that this under qualified manager would be the one manager who will not be held accountable for results in the short term, not the proven Jose Mourinho or the proven Louis van Gaal but Ole Gunnar Solksjaer. It was stupidity 101.
Do I blame Ole for taking the chance of a lifetime and doing the best he can? Like hell I do and I still hope he wins every game from now to the end of the season and proves me an absolute moron. Or even that he steers us to 4th and then an improvement the following year.
My problem though is that I think managers are everything, an amazing one and 30 years of hurt can vanish in no time, an incredible one and 25 years without a title can turn into decades of dominance. A good-decent one and you'll go from 12th to 2nd in less than a year.
Not irrelevant, but our plight has become "meh", our form has been at 34% win rate for 10 months. The media are bored of talking about how wank we are.
At least you didn’t blame Ole for the Haaland transfer so you know what your talking about.
We have done the big name manager shit and it did not work, give Ole until the end of the season at least he could win league cup, europa and top 4 yet. Not like Jose who threw the league to get “his” trophy
Ole ain’t winning nothing. We are getting knocked out of all these competitions and we are not getting top 4. So you keep hoping. We can discuss them one by one if you want. We’ll start on Tuesday night.
In the end it’s all about results. I don’t think he’s the right man for the job and I think it was a rash and sentimental decision to give it to him. His track record is less than stellar and wouldn’t normally get someone anywhere near a job like United.
I don’t get the hatred for him as he’s seems a decent bloke who’s trying his best, but I also have strong doubts he can take us forward mostly because there is nothing in his record to suggest otherwise.
It’s clear he’s got the backing of his superiors for now, and we are within a shout of fourth. It seems reasonable then to give him the rest of season to make top 4. If he falls short of that in a year where Arsenal, Chelsea, and Spurs are all struggling then I’d have to say time to make a change. If he does make top four review his progress next December.
I don’t get the hatred for him as he’s seems a decent bloke who’s trying his best, but I also have strong doubts he can take us forward mostly because there is nothing in his record to suggest otherwise.
It’s clear he’s got the backing of his superiors for now, and we are within a shout of fourth. It seems reasonable then to give him the rest of season to make top 4. If he falls short of that in a year where Arsenal, Chelsea, and Spurs are all struggling then I’d have to say time to make a change. If he does make top four review his progress next December.
Haaland made a great career choice, no-one at United is at fault for that.
I agreed on your second point only because he managed to pick it up enough in December to just about keep us in a top 4 hunt. And yes we've done big name managers, but we've never done it with any kind of plan, my hope and expectation for our next appointment is that it's a manager that buys into the entire vision of the club and not a quick fix.
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How are we happy with standards being dropped and what does the board want you reckon?
No sorry. Each to their own, but I dont buy that for a second
Haaland won a prize in Norway today. He thanked Ole specifically. Lots of love and respect there, sorry to say, no drama. Right move for him to move to B.Dortmund. Take steps gradually. Building the foundation, having the experience. United are in a rebuild, will be too inconsistent and too much of a risk for him this time around
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