Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion

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red4ever 79 said:
Ah the same manager who said last summer if Lukaku leaves he will be replaced. Got ya.
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We tried that with Dybala. Wasn't possible to get the deal done. Matt Judge couldn't successfully negotiated a trade for another piece and thus we were forced to rely on Greenwood breaking through, and fortunately both he and Rashford have.

There is a difference between wanting to do something, and the backroom staff actually getting it done. Ole WANTS the signings, if he gets them ,that's up to someone else, in this case, Matt Judge
 
Sultan said:
Ole has been given one of the most high profile jobs in football and that for a club he loves. Gets well paid for the privilege and he's doing his best. If he's not good enough that is for his bosses to assess and act accordingly and any criticism should be aimed at the decision-makers. I'm not sure why the hatred against Ole if his best is not good enough.
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Absolutely true this.

Ed Woodward's appointment of OGS and persistence with him is one of the worst decisions I have ever witnessed in football.
 
Nou_Camp99 said:
Ole isn't the right Man but still stuck to my guns...... Glazers/Woodward is a bigger problem. Getting rid of Ole and sticking with Glazers n Woodward will have us go nowhere.

Get the fecking Saudis in and let's start acting like a big club again.
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That's a strange logic. How does glazers and Woodward being problem stops Ole from developing a pattern of play and having any kind of play B at all?
 
Di Maria's angel said:
I'll be patient when its warranted. The longer Ole stays, the more damage he does. You can't actually believe that we're going anywhere under him?
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I am not convinced at all by Ole. The reasons for our struggles post SAF is obviously quality of players and not coaching. Our player recruiting has been absolute shambles and the results of that is a struggling side shot of quality.

Not one coach in the world would make Matic, Mata, Young, Lingard, Chong etc world beaters.

We lack quality, that’s the real problem.
 
Nou_Camp99 said:
Ole isn't the right Man but still stuck to my guns...... Glazers/Woodward is a bigger problem. Getting rid of Ole and sticking with Glazers n Woodward will have us go nowhere.

Get the fecking Saudis in and let's start acting like a big club again.
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I’m so feckin on board with this
 
Alabaster Codify7 said:
So of all the things he promised when he was made permanent, what has he delivered?

Playing youth a bit.

That is ALL. LVG did that.

No fitness
No pressing
No United Way attacking football
And DEFINITELY no results

He is a fraud. Actually no I'll take that back. He isn't a fraud. He isn't doing this deliberately and he's a top guy with his heart firmly in the right place.

He's just completely unable to coach or manage at a high level.

We could keep Ole for 4 more years and I guarantee we'll still be a boring, inconsistent midtable side. Guarantee it.

He's not appropriate.

This is not a rebuild. A rebuild shows signs of positivity. Now, a rebuild can also happen overnight with an ambitious board and top coaches but I digress.

What we are witnessing is a brutal regression.
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His heart's in the right place. His ideas are great. But he's not capable of the final bit i.e. the execution.

We need a similar manager (duo of Dof and head coach) that has the ability to execute.
 
sunama said:
And do you believe this?
We have been fed this drivel many times before and we failed to buy because are looking to save money.
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Why do you say something like this? Not only is it a lie, but its simply completely made up and you present it as factual.

Why is that?
 
Look, I loved Ole as a player and one of the best understated moments for me as a United fan in recent times was when he scored that goal at Charlton in his comeback game after his long injury. But as a manager, let alone of a club of our stature, the level of incompetence he's showing is legitimately astonishing (in the worst sense of the word).

We mustn't let our standards drop any further, and although the Glazers are ultimately to blame in this front, Ole is complicit of letting things slide the way they have. He has to go and the sooner the better.
 
After more then 12 months I still don’t see a team, at best 10 players randomly running around like headless chickens. It’s embarrassing and I can’t see Ole taking this club forward because he lacks tactical knowledge and he don’t have the skills to execute whatever he’s doing. I just want to bury my head under the pillow and scream.

What are we doing at Carrington? I refuse to believe we practice football.
 
Nou_Camp99 said:
Ole isn't the right Man but still stuck to my guns...... Glazers/Woodward is a bigger problem. Getting rid of Ole and sticking with Glazers n Woodward will have us go nowhere.

Get the fecking Saudis in and let's start acting like a big club again.
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Its too bad that the only folks that can save us from Woodward's incompetence seems to be the Saudi's
 
Bilbo said:
If our club listened to people like you then we really would be finished.

I actually believe that 5th place and still in all the cups under these circumstances is cause for congratulations for Ole and Phelan and Carrick and the players and whoever else is involved.

Be patient. Try to be smart enough to understand that the answer isn't always 'change something'
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Neither is the answer to give someone time in the hope that he'll eventually turn into the next Ferguson.

Every successful club in the modern era changes things when performances get this dire. I don't see why United should be so different.
 
Tom Cato said:
Why do you say something like this? Not only is it a lie, but its simply completely made up and you present it as factual.

Why is that?
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I'll agree that people doing that is a beyond tedious tactic, and its from both sides of the fence too, Ole supporters and people wanting him out. Why people can't just talk in facts, without resorting to making stuff up I don't know.
 
I still back him. I can see his idea.

Badly need a new ten though. Hopefully this Winter our else we will continue to struggle.

Two MFs in the summer, a striker and possibly a LB.
 
Still smiling for fecks sake. SACK HIM

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Judas said:
I'm not particularly enraged after tonights game, its exactly what I expected, if anything we did better as we managed to get a replay. But my mood doesn't flip flop like many on here, I'm beyond done in at the state of the club, and see very little to change my mood.
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Di Maria's angel said:
Isn't the point of an internal philosophy and style that its embedded into the roots of the club? Thats the whole point of training, no?

Under Fergie, even when we lost to shit teams, we always attacked. Even 1-0 down to whoever in league 1 or 2, we never gave in and always looked to win. That was his style and vision - Ole has no idea what to do hence why we were stuck in our own half for the last 30 minutes and looked so clueless throughout. We have no idea how to attack a team.
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Unfortunately lads, far too many of our fans are happily accepting mediocrity, and for that they deserve it.
 
dove said:
You conveniently skipped a part of Wolves playing a weak side too and once they put a few first team players in, we couldn't get out of our box. The only idiot here is you.
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This, exactly.

Even with half their first team missing, you could see there was a systematic approach to what Wolves were doing. An overlying strategy, with directed execution. Controlled aggression and cautious play when they didn't have their 'big' players on, then increased tempo and consistent pressing in the last 15-20 mins when they made their subs (Moutinho, Jonny, Jimenez). There was movement in their frontline and quick, direct passing when needed. Sure, it didn't all come off, because in the end, they're no Real or Barca, but you could see what they were trying to do.

Us, on the other hand. Nobody seemed to be on the same page, it's like most of our games the team is literally split into 3 parts. Attack, Midfield and Defense, and each is it's own black hole the players cannot move out of. Dawdle, pass ball left to right, pass back to defense, rinse repeat. Even average players can adhere to a system and style of play, and unfortunately, I think our players are doing just that. It's just that our 'system' does not extend beyond running into space after a superior opponent fuks up an attack.
 
We haven’t had a good coach since SAF. Moyes was mid table mentality. LVG was possession based, Mourinho very defensive and Ole just seems to be out of his depth. His ideas might be right but he just seems incapable (based on what we see) to coach his ideas.

I do like what he’s trying to do with the squad and type of player he is looking to bring in.

That said, there’s got to be a suitable manager out there that plays expansive, flowing, forward thinking football...and can actually coach these methods. The Klopp ship has sailed but there is at least some talent in this squad that if coached correctly could be playing better football
 
Judas said:
The issue that we're not going to improve this terrible squad in this window really means his grave is already dug.
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Then let him fecking lie in it. If he doesn't see that we need players right fecking now, then he's either the biggest idiot in world football, or he's pushing the party line; which makes a Glazer shill. Either the way he's got until the end of January.
 
I would like to know if anyone does think he will continue after this season? He isn't a top manager who can get a poor team consistent results and I really doubt he'll get top 6 let alone 4 by the end of the season.

I'm worried he'll stay on regardless of finishing below 4th.
 
ravi2 said:
Its too bad that the only folks that can save us from Woodward's incompetence seems to be the Saudi's
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If someone can get Jeff Bezos or Bill Gates to buy us then I'm all for it. Sadly unlikely.

Saudis seem most likely. Glazers are killing the club and a takeover is only way we get rid of their puppet, Woodward. Surely he's have to lose his job if they buy the club. In fact I'd be okayed with them beheading him personally. The useless cant deserves it.
 
Tom Cato said:
We tried that with Dybala. Wasn't possible to get the deal done. Matt Judge couldn't successfully negotiated a trade for another piece and thus we were forced to rely on Greenwood breaking through, and fortunately both he and Rashford have.

There is a difference between wanting to do something, and the backroom staff actually getting it done. Ole WANTS the signings, if he gets them ,that's up to someone else, in this case, Matt Judge
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I wouldnt believe a single word that comes out of Ole's mouth, nor Ed's. Not a single word.
In any case what kind of person allows your main strikers to leave without having a player lined up to come in.
 
JoaquinJoaquin said:
Unfortunately lads, far too many of our fans are happily accepting mediocrity, and for that they deserve it.
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We got beat at wolves in Fergies time and have had many a worse night in the 3rd round in the glory days. You have to have some realism and perspective
 
Tom Cato said:
Wolverhampton have lost a sum total of 2 games at home this season. it's not a pushover team.
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Yeah, and United have 30 points from like 25 games. We can both see patterns pal. Don't bother tagging me again, I'm done talking to Ole acolytes.
 
Samid said:
Still smiling for fecks sake. SACK HIM

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! Sack him for smiling!!! My god what’s happened to this fanbase!?





Or;

The Norwegian has a reputation for being upbeat and friendly due to his smiley outward persona, but Young insists you don’t want to get on the wrong side of the Red Devils boss.

“I said it when Ole came, it was like Sir Alex walked back in the door,” Young told talkSPORT.

“He might be the baby-faced assassin that people see, smiling all the time.

“But when he loses it, he really loses it and lets people know. That’s how I think it should be”

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/talk...jaer-manchester-united-sir-alex-ferguson/amp/

But yes, let’s sack him. BECAUSE HE SMILES!

HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA
 
Manager wants new players,that is obvious, but he isn't going to be given them in this window.
Shambles.
 
Fooza said:
I would like to know if anyone does think he will continue after this season? He isn't a top manager who can get a poor team consistent results and I really doubt he'll get top 6 let alone 4 by the end of the season.

I'm worried he'll stay on regardless of finishing below 4th.
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Of course he will stay on. Wage bill is coming down, revenues are up, shirt sales are going well, stadium is full every week
 
Tom Cato said:
We tried that with Dybala. Wasn't possible to get the deal done. Matt Judge couldn't successfully negotiated a trade for another piece and thus we were forced to rely on Greenwood breaking through, and fortunately both he and Rashford have.

There is a difference between wanting to do something, and the backroom staff actually getting it done. Ole WANTS the signings, if he gets them ,that's up to someone else, in this case, Matt Judge
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It's not like Dybala is the only striker in the world. There were plenty of options, and we had a whole summer to do something. But we made a mess of it, again.
 
Tom Cato said:
Why do you say something like this? Not only is it a lie, but its simply completely made up and you present it as factual.

Why is that?
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The truth is, the money wasn't there to begin with. You don't get to net spend £100m+ after missing out on CL football.
 
Bilbo said:
If our club listened to people like you then we really would be finished.

I actually believe that 5th place and still in all the cups under these circumstances is cause for congratulations for Ole and Phelan and Carrick and the players and whoever else is involved.

Be patient. Try to be smart enough to understand that the answer isn't always 'change something'
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So now we’re congratulating mediocrity ffs you can’t make this shit up. How about being smart enough to see something isn’t working and change is needed before it completely blows up in your face. United should try being proactive for once and get rid of Ole while the season can still be salvaged. Instead, we will slowly miss out on top 4, get eliminated from every cup and Ole will be sacked.
 
VP said:
Neither is the answer to give someone time in the hope that he'll eventually turn into the next Ferguson.

Every successful club in the modern era changes things when performances get this dire. I don't see why United should be so different.
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Performances are erratic, but not unexpectedly so. We are good enough to draw with Liverpool. We are good enough to beat City away, beat Spurs & beat Chelsea twice. That is undeniable.

We are also a young team and a thin squad and any sensible supporter would be anticipating some inconsistency in our performances. I repeat - any sensible supporter. I know a lot of them and they are comfortable with our situation, as I am.

The fans who expect sparkling performances every week, no defeats etc are the problem right now. You are missing the bigger picture and frankly acting like spoiled children most of the time.

We are in transition. We are rebuilding a squad that has underwhelmed for some time now. It doesnt happen overnight. Why is this so hard for people to understand?
 
We've obviously got problems that run beyond Ole but he's an awful manager.

Apart from the desparation that time will somehow make everything magically better, then I have no idea what his supporters see in him (from a management perspective).

I don't want to bash the guy (precisely why he was hired) and he obviously loves the club etc but he's way out of his depth and we won't go anywhere with him in charge.
 
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