I agree by going for british players mainly we are missing out on the Ronaldo's, Messi's and Augero's of this world. Football has moved on and so has Premeire League football. There is no point on focusing on british players.
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I agree by going for british players mainly we are missing out on the Ronaldo's, Messi's and Augero's of this world. Football has moved on and so has Premeire League football. There is no point on focusing on british players.
We still managed to win quite a lot with Ronaldo though even though Madrid was his pinnacle.
English football is on the rise, I'd be disappointed if we weren't a part of it by having some top British players at the club. Young won't be selected for England and Lingard/Jones are reserves at best. The likes of Wan Bissaka, Sancho and Rice would improve us and they'd be regularly featuring in the England team. No reason why we can't have them and top foreign talents too.
It probably means that the 200 million or so outlay is not there to be spent this summer, or players are no longer attracted to Utd as they once were.
Doesn't help when you have a CEO that sells the club as “The adult Disney Land”. Which is fastly coming to fruition excluding the entertainment. We are now a commercial enterprise that is happy to finish 4th.
They also now have their Mickey (Phelan) to dress up as a mouse and boot Fred the Red out
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The young British talents right now are among the best in the world. German clubs have clocked on and are trying to get them at an early age. England youth teams have dominated tournaments for years now at various different age groups. Sancho and CHO are just the tip of the iceberg.
As far as OGS goes, he's talked of survival of the fittest in the squad and he should show it by dropping Ashley Young for the foreseeable future. Dalot is not ready but even despite that he's still putting in better performances than Young is. Time to give him a chance until the end of the season.
As far as OGS goes, he's talked of survival of the fittest in the squad and he should show it by dropping Ashley Young for the foreseeable future. Dalot is not ready but even despite that he's still putting in better performances than Young is. Time to give him a chance until the end of the season.
I don't mind signing British if their is no compromise on quality. Jadon Sancho? Sure. Declan Rice? Nah.
We really need to start thinking in more than 1 season increments. Matic is getting on and Rice is the best replacement for him on the market right now. If we wait until Matic's legs are gone, Rice will be worth Harry Maguire type money by then and we will be paying double the price. Why not get him now? The lad has world class potential.
Yeah, but he was surrounded by a lot of British players and others from outside the South America and Southern Europe sphere of influence that naturally gravitate towards those two clubs.
I'm torn. I was hopeful when there was talk of a DOF coming in, because our policies in the last few years are what have got us in this mess - scrap that, Ed has.
Now I'm thinking what has changed to make change happen, because currently we are going down the same path as before. New manager followed by a miss managed transfer window of poor signings and holding onto deadwood. Rinse and repeat.
Maybe Ole and Mike have more control over signings this time round and Ed trusts them because of their history within the club, instead of Ed deciding yes or no and making these maverick signings for shirt sales.
PSG who have never even come close to winning the Champions League?
I still have complete faith in Ole. I remember being double figures in points off fourth, worrying about how far we'd fall, thinking 10th may be realistic. Ole massively raised hopes. Do I agree with everything he's done? Nope. Do I believe he'll get it right in the end? 100%. Ole coming in actually made this season worth watching. No doubts from me at all.
British core looks nice and romantic but at highest level and for winning titles, superstars bring you titles. Bayern, Barca, Psg, City and Bayern. Champions of their countries. Do they have domestic core? No. People mention how Psg galactico policy failed. In what? Yes, they failed in CL but they win French league every year. The thing that they put CL as their major goal is only for praise. It is better to aim high.
And this is rubbish that we tried with galacticos. When? Pogba, Zlatan and Falcao are only our galactico signings. Di maria was important part of Real but galactico? No way.
Pogba is our best player( despite everything) and Zlatan was our best player in 2016-2017 season. Only Falcao was flop.
Signing galacticos with having good scouts who will find other players( English or not) is the only way to challenge City.
And this is rubbish that we tried with galacticos. When? Pogba, Zlatan and Falcao are only our galactico signings. Di maria was important part of Real but galactico? No way.
Pogba is our best player( despite everything) and Zlatan was our best player in 2016-2017 season. Only Falcao was flop.
Signing galacticos with having good scouts who will find other players( English or not) is the only way to challenge City.
I don't think he's the profile of midfielder we need. One of our biggest weaknesses is progressing the ball in deeper areas and Rice's passing and ball carrying isnt good enough. We need a player in the Carrick mould not a destroyer.
If we win all our games and lose against City, we are guaranteed to finish above Chelsea by one point, and Arsenal will surely lose 5-6 points away to Wolves, Leicester and Burnley. Tottenham are without Kane and Sissoko, with tired players and focus on CL, I could see them bottling top4.
Best would of course be if in-form Cardiff fighting to stay in the PL would cause an upset against the scousers and we wouldn't have to worry about winning the City game!
Yeah. This is what I believe. Its literally a matter of British players understand the best British club in the best way possible. They get what it is to play for united and they're not easily swayed by international clubs.
At least the war chest hasn't been mentioned yet
Arsenal have to lose 6 unless we increase our GD by 7 or so. 2 losses or 3 draws, it'd take quite a bottling for that to happen, even with Arsenal's shite away form. Spurs will need to lose 7 points as there's no way we will catch their GD. Assuming they'll lose to City, they'll need to drop 4 points against Brighton H, West Ham H, Bournemouth A and Everton H. It's possible, especially with their injury crisis and likely focusing on the CL, but still quite unlikely. And this is all assuming we even win those 4 games!
But I'll try to stay optimistic. We've got a definite chance.
I think Ole has to stick to the attacking philosophy, and let's see where it takes us after some summer spending.
Nothing worse than boring football, and we've had enough of that since SAF retired.
Nothing worse than boring football, and we've had enough of that since SAF retired.
"We should strive to become like City"
I was jealous as feck when they signed Sané, Jesús, Laporte, Stones, Mendy, KdB, Sterling etc. If only we went for similar quality of similar ages!
Wan-Bissaka, Rice, Sancho + De Ligt, Ndombele/Fernandes, Felix/Pepe would be a good start.
Next season get a LB and hopefully Tuanzebe and Greenwood will be close to regulars, and maybe one of Gomes/Chong/Garner.
I was jealous as feck when they signed Sané, Jesús, Laporte, Stones, Mendy, KdB, Sterling etc. If only we went for similar quality of similar ages!
Wan-Bissaka, Rice, Sancho + De Ligt, Ndombele/Fernandes, Felix/Pepe would be a good start.
Next season get a LB and hopefully Tuanzebe and Greenwood will be close to regulars, and maybe one of Gomes/Chong/Garner.
Your right, it wouldn't happen over night, while i don't think the squad is as bad as you are making out, it would take a while to get us playing good expansive football after the years of Mourinho.
The difference is with Pep and Poch we know they can given time train a teams to play beautiful attacking football and have the tactical knowledge to slug it out with the best of them. We don't know that about Ole, all we know about Ole as a manager is he was successful in his first period of Molde, a complete disaster at Cardiff both on and off the field and has been ok at Molde since, and at united he ca If it wasn't for his playing career here he would never have come within a million miles of the job.
Ole was my favourite player back in the late 90's i'd love him to be a success as united manager, but like you say some people need to get real, he hasn't shown anything that means he could be a manager in the league of Pep or Poch. So fans are right to be worried, we seem to have thrown out the plan to bring in a structure of a director of football who would conduct an extensive manager search and over see transfer policy to back Ole. He will likely be given a massive some of money this summer maybe the most any Man United has ever been given, and his only history of dealing with big money was at Cardiff were his transfers here a disaster.
Honestly i don't think its those criticising whats happening who need to get real.
Fixed. It's the perfect time to get rid of shite to give space for 6 new signings and youngsters.
But I guess at most, Ole will get rid of 7. (Fellaini, Valencia, Darmian, Rojo, Herrera, Mata, Sanchez)
Translation - "Glazers to invest even less money under the spin that there is some kind of deeper philosophy behind it other than simply 'spending less money' - also, put the focus on spending less money onto someone else, Phelan, in this case".
After appointing literally the cheapest managerial option possible to them, it appears the trend is continuing.
I would guess that this pattern will continue until fan pressure forces them out. They have absolutely no interest in making this club great again.
Wake up, real Utd fans.
Right so under that bracket who are we going to sign who is “young and British”.. (which by the way means they’d be more expensive just because of their passports) who’d instantly come in and make us a better team? Wan-Bassaka and Sancho are the only two I can think.. we need more than that it we are to challenge top four again next season.
That’s if you’re buying into the article
It’s more speculation, stop getting hooked
Doesn't mean every signing is going to be young and British. That will be the general theme which was the case under SAF.
And that is completely fair, and there has been quite a heated debate on here when Ole was still interim manager, but harping on about it now is kinda pointless for three main reason
1) He IS our manager now and no amount of moaning is going to change that
2) Part of supporting a club is also supporting the manager and players when they need it, not just when things are going well. No one deserves undying loyalty, but tuning on them on the first sign of trouble is even worse imo
3) There is simply now way of knowing if Ole is going to be better (for us) than Poch or vice versa, not yet anyway. Taking over mid season with a team you had no hand in building is not even remotely close to a fair assessment of any manager
To put it this way, if it was Poch who took over in December and had the exact same run i would have defended him as well.
What? They said they wanted young British talent and the only two names mentioned were Sancho and Declan Rice, both of which are going to be incredibly expensive. I am no big fan of the Glazers, but they have not been particularly greedy compared to someone like Levy or Kroenke
so if we agree with your views about Glazers, then we are real fans? And if we disagree, then we are not?This nicknames business never works out for a manager. Rashy, Ash, Rom, Poggy, etc. I have never heard of SAF saying Wazza or Gazza or Parky, Ash or things like that.
Ole is not their friend. He is now the manager of Manchester United.
Ole is not their friend. He is now the manager of Manchester United.
I think I've heard Ferguson say "Giggsy" once or twice, but he was obviously the star pupil
Why do players who were definitely playing for the temporary manager, achieving good personal performances as well as team results, suddenly stop doing all that...what changed?
Was it the fact that initially Ole had nothing else to think about except getting the players 'at it', but now as permanent manager he has to contend with all sorts of other stuff. Like the great disparity in salaries between the top paid (erratically performing) players and other players on half the money, who whilst wanting to do their best, have that little nagging thought in their heads when they see other so called top players regularly 'messing up' …and think "shit, that guys on twice as much as me and he's turning in rubbish performances...off to see the manager!"
Is it so predictable? And if so, why cannot someone in the club hierarchy see that?
Was it the fact that initially Ole had nothing else to think about except getting the players 'at it', but now as permanent manager he has to contend with all sorts of other stuff. Like the great disparity in salaries between the top paid (erratically performing) players and other players on half the money, who whilst wanting to do their best, have that little nagging thought in their heads when they see other so called top players regularly 'messing up' …and think "shit, that guys on twice as much as me and he's turning in rubbish performances...off to see the manager!"
Is it so predictable? And if so, why cannot someone in the club hierarchy see that?
Apparently he tore into Pogba, Martial Lingard and De Gea after the match on Wednesday...
Accused them of letting the club down and questioned their commitment and said, to everyone, if they want to stay at this club, they need to cop on...
So he's pretty much where Mourinho was with them already...
Mourinho's fault though...
Accused them of letting the club down and questioned their commitment and said, to everyone, if they want to stay at this club, they need to cop on...
So he's pretty much where Mourinho was with them already...
Mourinho's fault though...
I agreed with a lot of what Mourinho thought, I just don't necessarily agree with how he reacted to it. He never injected any positivity and energy into any of it, everything became negative. Being right about some of the players doesn't excuse a failure to improve them.
The squad lacks character in attack and ability in defence, there's no getting around that.
Source?
Few journos on Twitter.
Take it with a pinch of salt. I posted it in the hope it is true.
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