Smalling, Jones, Young, Martial, Fred and Lingard are all still gonna be here...
Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion
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No, Jesus Christ no.. i hope you are never in power at the club to make those sorts of decisions.
How ridiculous is it to write him off then based on what, our last 6 games?
Personally would have waited til the end of the season - because there really was no reason to do it before then - but now that he's here I think we have to give him a chance.
As usual, the truth lies somewhere between extremes. This run is no better an indication of Ole's ability than his initial run of wins. I think there have been several mitigating factors here that have largely been ignored:
- Lingard, Rashford and Lukaku have all missed enough minutes to suggest that they're carrying knocks. And none of them are good enough when not 100%.
- Shaw getting suspended and us having literally no other true LBs in our bloated squad
- Ashley Young picking this month to end his career
- Dave saving up 5 years of stupid mistakes for one month
- The teams we've lost to are good. Arsenal away is a tough fixture. Barca away is arguably the toughest in world football. PSG at home is hard. And whisper it but Wolves away in a cup tie isn't the easiest either, they're pretty good.
All of that should be balanced against the recurring themes thread that made great points. I do worry about how well we're coached, or if these players are simply uncoachable.
Anyway, Ole will get the summer, hopefully he'll promote a few youngsters, get a few good, dedicated players in, ship out a ton of deadwood freeing up wages and then start the season well.
As usual, the truth lies somewhere between extremes. This run is no better an indication of Ole's ability than his initial run of wins. I think there have been several mitigating factors here that have largely been ignored:
- Lingard, Rashford and Lukaku have all missed enough minutes to suggest that they're carrying knocks. And none of them are good enough when not 100%.
- Shaw getting suspended and us having literally no other true LBs in our bloated squad
- Ashley Young picking this month to end his career
- Dave saving up 5 years of stupid mistakes for one month
- The teams we've lost to are good. Arsenal away is a tough fixture. Barca away is arguably the toughest in world football. PSG at home is hard. And whisper it but Wolves away in a cup tie isn't the easiest either, they're pretty good.
All of that should be balanced against the recurring themes thread that made great points. I do worry about how well we're coached, or if these players are simply uncoachable.
Anyway, Ole will get the summer, hopefully he'll promote a few youngsters, get a few good, dedicated players in, ship out a ton of deadwood freeing up wages and then start the season well.
So true. Talent is one thing, but identifying and creating standard bearers in the squad was one of the things Fergie did so well. Hopefully Ole will have picked up that knack too
The concern I have with Ole is he ruthless enough to carry out the rebuilding needed? I mean he comes across as this nice "one of the lads" type of managers and I'm not sure that is what we need at this moment in time for the manager to be "one of the lads"
And also can he attract the best players to the club? yes we can offer players massive wages but so can most clubs these days..
And also can he attract the best players to the club? yes we can offer players massive wages but so can most clubs these days..
Yeah it is divided into 6 or 7 big clubs actually. You have Manchester United, Barcelona, Real Madrid, Bayern Munich, and Juventus. If you want to throw in Liverpool and AC Milan, have at it - there's your 7. Spurs are not even a big club in the Premier League for God's sake. Give your head a shake.
Complete rubbish.
How do you figure this?
It's uncanny how much our fan base sounds like the scousers when they were utter shit. Still living in a bubble thinking they were the biggest and best because they used to win things years ago
What they achieved today was remarkable but Spurs are not a big club.
Tbf he’s had one window, coming into which the whole narrative was around despair and cliques in the camp, none of which we’ve heard since. Can’t blame home for backingwhat he knows, imo.
If we continue performing like this for another 2-3 seasons, Spurs will seem a more attractive club in due time. History doesn't really matter anymore to players. Let's first sort out our own shit before throwing shade at others.
The thing what is baffling to me is our board and to some extent plenty of our fan base does not know what our biggest problem is.
Our biggest issue is structure and identity of football, we don't know what style we want to play. All big clubs have a specific style and to master that style they acquire specific players. For example teams want to play from the back, they simple sign players who are great at the back and can pass between the lines. Our approach is haphazard to things. We will try to sign several players of 200m without knowing how we want to play, and 2 years on, we all will be criticising Woodward and Ole and wanting to sign new players.
I think Ole is smart in that aspect that he realized we can't play possession football with these players, thus resorting to counter attacking football and hitting the team early after quickly obtaining possession. However the problem is even to implement that style, you need practise to press as a team first, secondly having players who are still good enough to choose the right pass and finish chances.
We have multiple issues first and the far most is we have long list of players in our squad who can keep the ball under pressure when pressed, and choose the right pass. The only players who are actually able to keep the ball when pressed is Herrera, Pogba, Shaw and Lindelof.
Now secondly another issue is lack of creativity in the front three and lack of ruthlessness. Every team has talismanic players who are not only amazing at keeping the ball plus they can find passes very few in the team can. The list is endless of teams with front players with such ability so i won't try to name them. Even our past teams had strikers and front players who are not only great finishers but great passers and ability to keep the ball ( Rvp, Ruud, Saha, Rooney, Ronaldo, Tevez, Berba etc).
Thus in order to revamp our team i keep hammering this point, we don't need to sign star players, but firstly choose a style and then sign players to complement that style. Assuming we want to play possession football. We need to go for these players.
Incoming players
Alderweirald (25m)
Meunier (25m)
Nevas/Kroos or somebody else as Deep lying playmaker.
Try to keep.Herrera or sign another player like Herrera relative cheap but good on the ball.
Sancho (80m)
Felix (80m)
Ddg
Meunier Alderweirald Lindelof Shaw
Herrera/replacement DLP Pogba
Sancho Felix Rashford/Martial
Thus by acquiring these players, we will change the outlook of our team and have players comfortable on the ball, who can actually take the game to opposition teams.
Our biggest issue is structure and identity of football, we don't know what style we want to play. All big clubs have a specific style and to master that style they acquire specific players. For example teams want to play from the back, they simple sign players who are great at the back and can pass between the lines. Our approach is haphazard to things. We will try to sign several players of 200m without knowing how we want to play, and 2 years on, we all will be criticising Woodward and Ole and wanting to sign new players.
I think Ole is smart in that aspect that he realized we can't play possession football with these players, thus resorting to counter attacking football and hitting the team early after quickly obtaining possession. However the problem is even to implement that style, you need practise to press as a team first, secondly having players who are still good enough to choose the right pass and finish chances.
We have multiple issues first and the far most is we have long list of players in our squad who can keep the ball under pressure when pressed, and choose the right pass. The only players who are actually able to keep the ball when pressed is Herrera, Pogba, Shaw and Lindelof.
Now secondly another issue is lack of creativity in the front three and lack of ruthlessness. Every team has talismanic players who are not only amazing at keeping the ball plus they can find passes very few in the team can. The list is endless of teams with front players with such ability so i won't try to name them. Even our past teams had strikers and front players who are not only great finishers but great passers and ability to keep the ball ( Rvp, Ruud, Saha, Rooney, Ronaldo, Tevez, Berba etc).
Thus in order to revamp our team i keep hammering this point, we don't need to sign star players, but firstly choose a style and then sign players to complement that style. Assuming we want to play possession football. We need to go for these players.
Incoming players
Alderweirald (25m)
Meunier (25m)
Nevas/Kroos or somebody else as Deep lying playmaker.
Try to keep.Herrera or sign another player like Herrera relative cheap but good on the ball.
Sancho (80m)
Felix (80m)
Ddg
Meunier Alderweirald Lindelof Shaw
Herrera/replacement DLP Pogba
Sancho Felix Rashford/Martial
Thus by acquiring these players, we will change the outlook of our team and have players comfortable on the ball, who can actually take the game to opposition teams.
Solskjær is not Tim Sherewood.
Don’t tell them that. Poch and Klopp were always amazing and wonderful. Solskjær is a brainless idiot who will never be a good coach, was abysmal at Molde, has no skills and should be sent to Greenland.
I am trying to understand that too. Football fans moan. More than 50 % of posts in this forum( the same is on other forums) is moaning. We moan about defence, attack, Pogba, Lingard, goals, Ed, transfers. Part of those posts are even close to abuse( donkey, shit, useless, pathetic...).
But when you moan about this topic, then you are against our manager and that goes even further to that you are against your club.
Main phrase is " show Ole support". Is anybody here saying " boooo Ole, you pathetic donkey" or " i wish that Ole fails"? No. We just think that Poch is better manager and that he was far better option. What is wrong in that?
We laughed for years how on RAWK you can't say anything against Klopp and now we are doing the same with Ole.
And i agree with bolded part. Some newbies are trying to be top red with praising Ole and attacking enemies of the club( "Poch army").
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Precisely, give him at least a full season before everyone slaughters him, dear lord!
Total bollocks.
And time and money to buy/sell players
I have never been a fan of „Give it to Ole“ despite his impressive start.
That being said I am totally for giving him a fair chance now. He should have a clear picture now about what and who works and what needs to be adjusted.
I hope he has a clear idea about how he wants us to play and a definitive list of players that might fit. No more big name signings just for the sake of it please.
I think that he has implemented a few positive details.
There midfield is more compact defensively and although it might sound strange after such a bad result the defense as well.
The first goal was an individual error followed by Messi punishing us for giving him the ball. The second was just a brainfart by DdG and the last one a great punch 25 m away from our goal.
Beside that Barca did not have too many clear chances.
Our attacking play is a mess though. No creativity, no movement, no plan.
That being said I am totally for giving him a fair chance now. He should have a clear picture now about what and who works and what needs to be adjusted.
I hope he has a clear idea about how he wants us to play and a definitive list of players that might fit. No more big name signings just for the sake of it please.
I think that he has implemented a few positive details.
There midfield is more compact defensively and although it might sound strange after such a bad result the defense as well.
The first goal was an individual error followed by Messi punishing us for giving him the ball. The second was just a brainfart by DdG and the last one a great punch 25 m away from our goal.
Beside that Barca did not have too many clear chances.
Our attacking play is a mess though. No creativity, no movement, no plan.
We look exactly the same as we did just before Mourinho left. Can't see much of a handprint from Ole apart from his first few games during the honeymoon period.
Some of our fans need to get real. Poch and Pep wouldn’t have us playing better football.
Look at City. Pep went in and gutted that squad because it wasn’t able to play how he wants. He’d demand the same here but not be given the funds or the time to do so.
Poch has been building that Spurs side for 5 years. It didn’t happen overnight. He’s also had a chance to ship out and bring in his own type of player.
We could give the Utd job right now to Pep and have Poch as assistant manager. We still wouldn’t get near the better teams because we simply don’t have the squad.
Look at City. Pep went in and gutted that squad because it wasn’t able to play how he wants. He’d demand the same here but not be given the funds or the time to do so.
Poch has been building that Spurs side for 5 years. It didn’t happen overnight. He’s also had a chance to ship out and bring in his own type of player.
We could give the Utd job right now to Pep and have Poch as assistant manager. We still wouldn’t get near the better teams because we simply don’t have the squad.
Never more wished for a time machine than now just to see confirmation that United are on the right track.
Get the three points against Everton.
Appoint a DoF and confirm the footballing management structure at the club.
Finish in the top 4.
Make early, positive signings.
Renew key players.
Appoint an inspiring captain.
Have a solid pre-season.
Start the season strongly.
Compete.
Get the three points against Everton.
Appoint a DoF and confirm the footballing management structure at the club.
Finish in the top 4.
Make early, positive signings.
Renew key players.
Appoint an inspiring captain.
Have a solid pre-season.
Start the season strongly.
Compete.
Yes but should Ole learn and evolve at Uniteds expense? I think a club like United should only hire world class proven managers.
We just went down that route. Twice really.
World class proven managers have failed abysmally. We are, quite rightly, trying a new, more holistic approach with somebody that truly understands the club.
You’re also assuming that Ole’s tenure here will be at our expense. It may not.
The entire mood created around the club from some of the support is baffling. This summer is going to be an exciting one. New signings, a bit of a clear out, a chance for Ole to instil his ideas into an already talented squad of players.
I get the impression that there are people that just didn’t want Ole here (which is a reasonable enough view) and are now doing everything they can to assess the club through their most negative prism.
Six months ago I could have done without football entirely. Mourinho single handedly made me despise everything about it. Right now I’m actually quite excited to see what happens next, for better or worse.
I get the impression that there are people that just didn’t want Ole here (which is a reasonable enough view) and are now doing everything they can to assess the club through their most negative prism.
Six months ago I could have done without football entirely. Mourinho single handedly made me despise everything about it. Right now I’m actually quite excited to see what happens next, for better or worse.
We’ve just had two of those. Both were unable to learn and evolve, and both failed. The hope is that Ole will learn quickly from his and his predecessors’ mistakes. I have no idea whether he will, but don’t mind him being given the opportunity.
I seem to recall we did try that a few times
Isn't this the same thing we've said before pretty much every summer transfer window
Not really? The last two summers come off the back of some terrible football to end the season, with the dread of knowing that isn’t going to change under Mourinho. Last summer, in particular, was an orchestrated car crash by a manchild on a mission to lose his job.
Compare that to now and things are markedly more positive. We’ve got an exciting manager that understands the club and, at the very least, wants to play aggressive, attacking football. We still have lots of good players in most areas of the pitch. We’re also likely to buy some exciting, new players.
You can choose to spin that negatively, but I can’t be arsed with that. If we’re being outplayed by Brighton this time next season with Ashley Young at full back then I’ll be on that bandwagon. But not yet.
Yup.
It was clear to me that Jose wasn't working quite a bit before this time last season, and I had no hopes for last summer's transfer window whether Jose had succeeded in getting "his targets" or not. I'm certainly feeling nowhere near as pessimistic this time round, but recent contract renewals, Woodward's continuing involvement and the lack of a DoF still doesn't leave me with a great deal of confidence. And none of that's really on Ole.
I don't really feel there is anything wrong with buying superstars. We havn't bought all that many to be honest. At least not superstars in their prime. Only Pogba and Di Maria were galaticos. It works well enough for Real Madrid and PSG.
I'm more pessimistic about the upcoming summer more than the entire last 5 summer markets. Not looking forward to it that's I'm sure about.
Probably 1 or 2 will come and 2 or 3 will leave and we will be looking forward to yet another "struggle to finish 4th" season.
Probably 1 or 2 will come and 2 or 3 will leave and we will be looking forward to yet another "struggle to finish 4th" season.
Does it though? Fulham could win that league and in the champions league they never got further than the quarter final.
Honestly let's just drop the british aspect. Satisfy the homegrown requirement and build the best team possible. We don't need more Lingards, Youngs and Jones featuring because of their nationality
I think the idea is to find players who are more likely to look at United as the pinnacle, as opposed to being a secondary summit to Madrid and Barcelona.
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