Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion

[Rhyme Animal]

Ole narrowly loses to Arsenal/Wolves in self inflicted manner creating enough chances to win at ease. With the mourinho players

Mourinho embrasses himself vs championship fodder at home and fails to get his team stringing 5 passes vs west Ham, southampton etc

But Mourinho was right

Did Mourinho ever have a run at Utd as bad as the one Ole is currently on?

Genuine question.

 

[shaky]

Preference for British? Which British are we talking about? More Jones more young more mctominay, more fletcher : resuming - burnley type of players. The only decent one available on the market is Rice and maybe Mcguire. Let's be hones the good English players are in the other top teams - Southgate haven't called any of our Englishman in the past internationals, with only Shaw being regular starter.

Isn't that exactly the reason Ole wants more good British players? Because the good English teams usually have the best British players, and we haven't had them since Fergie's days?
I'd suggest he's hoping for more players like Keane, Rio, Rooney and Carrick at Utd in the future rather than Young and Jones.

 

[Canagel]

Did Mourinho ever have a run at Utd as bad as the one Ole is currently on?

Genuine question.

It's irrelevant because we lost our momentum with injuries trying to introduce a new style of play in the mid season. Again result of training methods from the past regime. We were bottom of the miles covered.
He had to find a balance between working the players harder to climb up the table but risk injury or not.
Ole faced some difficult opponents and STILL could've won if our strikers had their boots on. He also set the record of consecutive away victories of the clubs entire history. With the mourinho players.
What positive record did Mourinho set in 2 years?

 

[Keefy18]

Did Mourinho ever have a run at Utd as bad as the one Ole is currently on?

Genuine question.

Short answer, no.

But I'd say that is unfair on Ole without putting some context to it.

 

[Rhyme Animal]

Short answer, no.

But I'd say that is unfair on Ole without putting some context to it.

Hmm. Yeah I agree to an extent, and I firmly believe Mourinho had to go.

But considering that Mourinho had 2 1/2 years, and lost the dressing room - it's some achievement for Ole to have a worse run than that guy within 4 months...

That has to be acknowledged, otherwise we're just being utterly hypocritical.

It's irrelevant because we lost our momentum with injuries trying to introduce a new style of play in the mid season.

What positive record did Mourinho set in 2 years?

It's not irrelevant, don't be so patronizing (to Ole). See above for the context.

And what style of football is Ole trying to implement that makes such an awful run 'ok'?

Are we seeing passages of beautiful, free flowing footy that explains the woeful results?

No - it's rubbish footy, and increasingly weird team selections and subs.

 

[roonster09]

Did Mourinho ever have a run at Utd as bad as the one Ole is currently on?

Genuine question.

If it's league then yes. Comparing CL lacks context as Jose's team never played teams like PSG and Barca.

In first season Jose won 1 game in 8 and also 1 game in 6. Our form is 2 games won in 4.

This season we won 1 game in 6, 3 draws and 2 losses.

 

[breakout67]

The context is that the players are playing for Ole, while the reason why we were so bad under Mou was because he lost all rapport with the players. So when the manager has the support of his players and still perform like they do there are deep rooted issues.

Mou got thrown under the bus in the summer because he's a cnut and egotistical, even though what he was saying was spot on. Ole is a club legend so I'm hoping he gets backed every summer so long as he is improving.

 

[roonster09]

The context is that the players are playing for Ole, while the reason why we were so bad under Mou was because he lost all rapport with the players. So when the manager has the support of his players and still perform like they do there are deep rooted issues.

Mou got thrown under the bus in the summer because he's a cnut and egotistical, even though what he was saying was spot on. Ole is a club legend so I'm hoping he gets backed every summer so long as he is improving.

1 win in 8 and 1 win in 6 was in 2016-17 season.

 

[Keefy18]

Hmm. Yeah I agree to an extent, and I firmly believe Mourinho had to go.

But considering that Mourinho had 2 1/2 years, and lost the dressing room - it's some achievement for Ole to have a worse run than that guy within 4 months...

That has to be acknowledged, otherwise we're just being utterly hypocritical.

He's also put Jose's best runs to shame as well though, there hasn't been a happy medium if you will. It's gone from best to worst.

I honestly think our players are completely out of shape physically and mentally and not used to pressing teams. Didn't affect us at the start but the more its been required we've seen a drop in performance, mostly due to numerous injuries to 3 or 4 of our attacking players (Lingard, Martial, Rashford & Sanchez all out).

Also as someone else noted, 2 of our losses were quite unlucky and the other 2 were Barca. No real shame in losing to Barca.

 

[Rhyme Animal]

He's also put Jose's best runs to shame as well though, there hasn't been a happy medium if you will. It's gone from best to worst.

I honestly think our players are completely out of shape physically and mentally and not used to pressing teams. Didn't affect us at the start but the more its been required we've seen a drop in performance, mostly due to numerous injuries to 3 or 4 of our attacking players (Lingard, Martial, Rashford & Sanchez all out).

Also as someone else noted, 2 of our losses were quite unlucky and the other 2 were Barca. No real shame in losing to Barca.

Yeah, fair enough. Especially the bolded.

 

[breakout67]

1 win in 8 and 1 win in 6 was in 2016-17 season.

You mean when we were Drawchester United? Completely different set of results, we have lost 5 in 7 with our general play being abysmal. In 16/17 our general play was good but our finishing was horrible which led to 15 draws in the league (never thought it was that high but feck me!).

In my opinion Ole has gotten us to play better than anything Mou produced, but he has also got us to the 2nd lowest point in the last 3 seasons (I'd say our worst period was the beginning of this season).

In the end I think the conclusions are the same, neither Mou or Ole are managers that hold back their teams from being great. They will have their different quirks but they will perform better with better players.

 

[roonster09]

You mean when we were Drawchester United? Completely different set of results, we have lost 5 in 7 with our general play being abysmal. In 16/17 our general play was good but our finishing was horrible which led to 15 draws in the league (never thought it was that high but feck me!).

In my opinion Ole has gotten us to play better than anything Mou produced, but he has also got us to the 2nd lowest point in the last 3 seasons (I'd say our worst period was the beginning of this season).

In the end I think the conclusions are the same, neither Mou or Ole are managers that hold back their teams from being great. They will have their different quirks but they will perform better with better players.

Again lacks context. Mou teams didn't play vs PSG and Barca. They dropped points against average teams and this was in the season when there was no stand-out teams in the league.

Re bold part not sure if serious. Ole got us second highest ppg. Not sure how this is the lowest point considering the shit served for 2.5 years in 3 seasons.

 

[Keefy18]

Jose's worst run was at the start of this season arguably...

• Lost to Brighton 3-2
• Lost to Spurs 3-0
• Won our next 3 games against Burnley (2-0), Watford (2-1) & Young Boys (3-0)
• Then Drew with Wolves 1-1
• Drew / Lost to Derby in the League Cup (2-2, lost on penalties)
• Lost 3-1 to West Ham
• Drew 0-0 with Valencia

It was at this point the stories came out of him being sacked and Neville went on his idiotic rant based on gossip. We needed an injury time winner to beat Newcastle at home 3-2.

• Only to then draw 2-2 with Chelsea
• And lose to Juve at home.

Aside from Spurs, Chelsea & Juve we should be beating most of those side and we didn't. We were often played off the park and lost in humiliating fashion.

Played 12
Won 4
Drew 3
Lost 5

 

[breakout67]

Again lacks context. Mou teams didn't play vs PSG and Barca. They dropped points against average teams and this was in the season when there was no stand-out teams in the league.

Re bold part not sure if serious. Ole got us second highest ppg. If we end up with lowest points then it's thanks to Jose. I mean the point is so laughable and a joke, I'm not even sure why I'm even bothering to reply to that.

Not points, point. I was not talking about points in the league table but point in a season. Getting knocked out of the FA cup and CL in quick succession really hurts for me, I was really expecting us to face City in the FA cup final and with the form we were in we should have done it. But the FA cup game against Wolves was a complete shitshow, it reminded me of the Sevilla game (another low point for Mou and potential turning point for him).

 

[roonster09]

Not points, point. I was not talking about points in the league table but point in a season. Getting knocked out of the FA cup and CL in quick succession really hurts for me, I was really expecting us to face City in the FA cup final and with the form we were in we should have done it. But the FA cup game against Wolves was a complete shitshow, it reminded me of the Sevilla game (another low point for Mou and potential turning point for him).

CL game against Barca was always tough and it was 90-10 chance to Barca. This is far from the low point. If anything it's credit to Ole that we were in QF. Same with FA cup, we played Chelsea and Arsenal away. With shit fitness and injuries, it was due. It's not like we dropped points against shit teams like Jose's team did.

 

[bond19821982]

CL game against Barca was always tough and it was 90-10 chance to Barca. This is far from the low point. If anything it's credit to Ole that we were in QF. Same with FA cup, we played Chelsea and Arsenal away. With shit fitness and injuries, it was due. It's not like we dropped points against shit teams like Jose's team did.

Not wumming but what exactly should be credited to Ole for being in CL QF ?

Pretty bad against Wolves in FA cup as well. We can come up with as many excuses as we want but should have done better against Wolves.

 

[roonster09]

Not wumming but what exactly should be credited to Ole for being in CL QF ?

Pretty bad against Wolves in FA cup as well. We can come up with as many excuses as we want but should have done better against Wolves.

For winning against PSG, especially with half the team gone.

Of course we were bad against Wolves, but we were very good against Chelsea and Arsenal. We can't win all games, especially with shit fitness and injuries.

 

[Phil Osophy]

What positive record did Mourinho set in 2 years?

He had an amazing run with two wins in three months in the Prem.

Manchester United 1-2 Manchester City - 10th Sept 16
Watford 3-1 Manchester United - 18th Sept
Manchester United 4-1 Leicester City - 24th Sept
Manchester United 1-1 Stoke City - 2nd Oct
Liverpool 0-0 Manchester United - 17th Oct
Chelsea 4-0 Manchester United - 23rd Oct
Manchester United 0-0 Burnley - 29th Oct
Swansea City 1-3 Manchester United - 6th Nov
Manchester United 1-1 Arsenal - 19th Nov
Manchester United 1-1 West Ham - 27th Nov
Everton 1-1 Manchester United - 4th Dec


The good thing is that was the start of the season and we got fresh legs, we also played the Europa League group stages so at least we... lost against Feyenoord 1-0, and 2-1 against Fenerbahce.

JSE

 

[roonster09]

He had an amazing run with two wins in three months in the Prem.

Manchester United 1-2 Manchester City - 10th Sept 16
Watford 3-1 Manchester United - 18th Sept
Manchester United 4-1 Leicester City - 24th Sept
Manchester United 1-1 Stoke City - 2nd Oct
Liverpool 0-0 Manchester United - 17th Oct
Chelsea 4-0 Manchester United - 23rd Oct
Manchester United 0-0 Burnley - 29th Oct
Swansea City 1-3 Manchester United - 6th Nov
Manchester United 1-1 Arsenal - 19th Nov
Manchester United 1-1 West Ham - 27th Nov
Everton 1-1 Manchester United - 4th Dec


The good thing is that was the start of the season and we got fresh legs, we also played the Europa League group stages so at least we... lost against Feyenoord 1-0, and 2-1 against Fenerbahce.

JSE

Oh dear, such a shit record.

 

[Canagel]

Hmm. Yeah I agree to an extent, and I firmly believe Mourinho had to go.

But considering that Mourinho had 2 1/2 years, and lost the dressing room - it's some achievement for Ole to have a worse run than that guy within 4 months...

That has to be acknowledged, otherwise we're just being utterly hypocritical.



It's not irrelevant, don't be so patronizing (to Ole). See above for the context.

And what style of football is Ole trying to implement that makes such an awful run 'ok'?

Are we seeing passages of beautiful, free flowing footy that explains the woeful results?

No - it's rubbish footy, and increasingly weird team selections and subs.

All the metrics point to clear improving in style of play from Mourinho. Especially before the injury crisis. More possession, more shots, more chances etc
it's also unheard of for nearly an entire strikeforce to fall down with non contact injuries at once indicating that Ole had been pushing them further than the limit in high pressing/intensity. Like the others have said Mourinho never faced Barcelona twice and I already touched that we didn't get the deserved result from the other two.
We don't lose matches to shit teams because we can't keep the ball anymore. We started losing games in tougher games because of some individual error/missed chances so Ole's record could look even better.
And he has one already for himself (away wins) with the Mourinho players.

 

[bond19821982]

For winning against PSG, especially with half the team gone.

Of course we were bad against Wolves, but we were very good against Chelsea and Arsenal. We can't win all games, especially with shit fitness and injuries.

did we really play well though? 2 mistakes and one VAR decision gave us the game . We were completely outplayed in both legs and really not sure what Ole did to get that result .

Put this way, if it was Jose instead of Ole, we still would have won that . It wasn't our style of play or manager tactics that won us that match.

 

[roonster09]

did we really play well though? 2 mistakes and one VAR decision gave us the game . We were completely outplayed in both legs and really not sure what Ole did to get that result .

Put this way, if it was Jose instead of Ole, we still would have won that . It wasn't our style of play or manager tactics that won us that match.

I will put this way, if Jose was there instead of Ole we would have been embarrassed against PSG and would be fighting with Bournemouth and Everton agruing who have better players.

They created feck all at Paris. If we play this game then 2 Bailly mistakes and Matic mistake is all they have to show from 2 games.

 

[Untd55]

Point: Solskjaer has broken the record for most away defeats in a row (I think this is just Premier League era).

I will put this way, if Jose was there instead of Ole we would have been embarrassed against PSG and would be fighting with Bournemouth and Everton agruing who have better players.

They created feck all at Paris. If we play this game then 2 Bailly mistakes and Matic mistake is all they have to show from 2 games.

I am guessing you are talking about Paris when you said they created nothing. If so, that makes the Manutd performance even worse. I don't think PSG were good at all in the two games, but we were far worse. In the second leg, all our goals and chances were created by PSG. We created nothing in the first leg.

Performance-wise, it was diabolical and there is no getting around that. It has, however, been covered up by the result.

If we had won like that under Mourinho, there would have been a really bad reaction to the result here. There was after Manutd beat Juventus, which was pretty much exactly the same type of performance as the PSG games.

 

[van Nistelrooy]

Excellent to hear Ole laying into Martial, Pogba and Rashford today!

A reality check is the very least that they need, but I'm so glad he isn't wrapping them in cotton wool and not hiding from the truth.

 

[Treble]

Why are you twisting my words?

I never said I hope there is tension between Ole and anyone, so why would you say that?

I clearly meant I hoped it was true so Ole got the message across as to how they've been phoning it in and what's expected at this club and if they want to stay here, a lot better is expected...

Why would you twist it into saying I hope there is tension and failings out?

Sorry mate. But to confront players like DDG and Pogba by telling them to sort it out or something like that implies some tension, so it seems to me. Do you think DDG needs some sort of message regarding his performances? I doubt that those journalists on twitter got this right.

 

[Canagel]

He had an amazing run with two wins in three months in the Prem.

Manchester United 1-2 Manchester City - 10th Sept 16
Watford 3-1 Manchester United - 18th Sept
Manchester United 4-1 Leicester City - 24th Sept
Manchester United 1-1 Stoke City - 2nd Oct
Liverpool 0-0 Manchester United - 17th Oct
Chelsea 4-0 Manchester United - 23rd Oct
Manchester United 0-0 Burnley - 29th Oct
Swansea City 1-3 Manchester United - 6th Nov
Manchester United 1-1 Arsenal - 19th Nov
Manchester United 1-1 West Ham - 27th Nov
Everton 1-1 Manchester United - 4th Dec


The good thing is that was the start of the season and we got fresh legs, we also played the Europa League group stages so at least we... lost against Feyenoord 1-0, and 2-1 against Fenerbahce.

JSE

I wonder what excuses were made for Mourinho. he had already bought 4 players+full preseason. . Ole is 3rd in the mini table without the luxury that mourinho had to start with.

 

[Random Task]

Point: Solskjaer has broken the record for most away defeats in a row (I think this is just Premier League era).


I am guessing you are talking about Paris when you said they created nothing. If so, that makes the Manutd performance even worse. I don't think PSG were good at all in the two games, but we were far worse. In the second leg, all our goals and chances were created by PSG. We created nothing in the first leg.

Performance-wise, it was diabolical and there is no getting around that. It has, however, been covered up by the result.

If we had won like that under Mourinho, there would have been a really bad reaction to the result here. There was after Manutd beat Juventus, which was pretty much exactly the same type of performance as the PSG games.

Bear in mind that 3 of those defeats came at the hands of Barca and PSG, two of the best sides in Europe and favourites to win the CL. There is no shame in losing to either of them.

We didn't perform that badly against Barca overall. We were largely the better team in the first leg, Mctominay was the best CM on the pitch and Pogba made a number of key passes that deserved better, if our forwards were in form we may have won the game. We started off on fire in the second leg - Rashford and Mctominay both had good chances to open the scoring - it wasn't until Young had a Young moment that was severely punished by the best player in the world that we fell apart. DDG's brain fart shortly after effectively put the tie to bed.

It's a game of fine lines - if we take those early chances (like Messi did for Barca) the outcome would have been entirely different.

 

[dove]

Ole narrowly loses to Arsenal/Wolves in self inflicted manner creating enough chances to win at ease. With the mourinho players

Mourinho embrasses himself vs championship fodder at home and fails to get his team stringing 5 passes vs west Ham, southampton etc

But Mourinho was right

I am not defending Jose as he fully deserved to be sacked but we couldn't string 5 passes against west ham with Ole as well, not sure what's your point. We currently play just like we did last season. Converting all our chances while relying on opponents wasting theirs. If you are trying to say that we look much better now than 6 or so months ago then you probably don't watch our matches.

 

[DJ Jeff]

He took over mid season and got us further in every single competition than Mourinho would have with another 3 seasons. I would have preferred Poch sure but he deserves every support for next season and the opportunity from the club to control transfer policy until a DOF is appointed

 

[Mailo]

Excellent to hear Ole laying into Martial, Pogba and Rashford today!

A reality check is the very least that they need, but I'm so glad he isn't wrapping them in cotton wool and not hiding from the truth.

What did he say?

 

[Fridge chutney]

I’ll be honest I think solskjaer is too good for us at the moment. He’s a guy who clearly wants to put the club first and steer us back to where we should be. He’s prepared to be patient and get it right over a few years. He simply doesn’t deserve to be at the command of a clueless and inept Woodward. The lack of vision shown for 6 years was evidenced last night in how we played and how somehow we still had 6 players starting that were here when fergie left. We’ve spend a fortune to do absolutely nothing.

There is a lot of truth to this.

That Woodward remains CEO and directs the football operations is worrisome and bad management.

 

[.Rossi]

Sorry mate. But to confront players like DDG and Pogba by telling them to sort it out or something like that implies some tension, so it seems to me. Do you think DDG needs some sort of message regarding his performances? I doubt that those journalists on twitter got this right.

Sorry, I was kinda half sarcastic in that message

I knew what you meant, was just trying to be light hearted about it.

I know what you meant but, if they don't like that then off they go. I mean Pogba threw in one of the most unprofessional performances I've ever seen from any United player against Southampton this season and we then heard "The Virus" stories, whoever the feck leaked that. If he's going to throw a strop over a bollocking behind closed doors then, I really am at a loss as to what to say about that

 

[Skills]

He had an amazing run with two wins in three months in the Prem.

Manchester United 1-2 Manchester City - 10th Sept 16
Watford 3-1 Manchester United - 18th Sept
Manchester United 4-1 Leicester City - 24th Sept
Manchester United 1-1 Stoke City - 2nd Oct
Liverpool 0-0 Manchester United - 17th Oct
Chelsea 4-0 Manchester United - 23rd Oct
Manchester United 0-0 Burnley - 29th Oct
Swansea City 1-3 Manchester United - 6th Nov
Manchester United 1-1 Arsenal - 19th Nov
Manchester United 1-1 West Ham - 27th Nov
Everton 1-1 Manchester United - 4th Dec


The good thing is that was the start of the season and we got fresh legs, we also played the Europa League group stages so at least we... lost against Feyenoord 1-0, and 2-1 against Fenerbahce.

JSE

The lucky Europa League draw masked how awful that season was. We scored 2 more league goals than in LVGs horrific 15/16 season after spending 200m.

 

[Un4givableB]

Point: Solskjaer has broken the record for most away defeats in a row (I think this is just Premier League era).


I am guessing you are talking about Paris when you said they created nothing. If so, that makes the Manutd performance even worse. I don't think PSG were good at all in the two games, but we were far worse. In the second leg, all our goals and chances were created by PSG. We created nothing in the first leg.

Performance-wise, it was diabolical and there is no getting around that. It has, however, been covered up by the result.

If we had won like that under Mourinho, there would have been a really bad reaction to the result here. There was after Manutd beat Juventus, which was pretty much exactly the same type of performance as the PSG games.

I feel your pain but you have entered the land of pretzel logic and magical thinking, when comes to OSG, when he wins he's brilliant when he losses the players are crap. The players that got him the job on now need a reality check.

SER19 is now claiming it's OSG that's TOO GOOD FOR UTD.

The broad now has the perfect placeman in the job, who has already started to manage down our expectations of a mass clearout players at the end of the season.

 

[Phil Osophy]

The lucky Europa League draw masked how awful that season was. We scored 2 more league goals than in LVGs horrific 15/16 season after spending 200m.

200 M and our player of the season was Guidetti.

 

[Canagel]

200 M and our player of the season was Guidetti.

Mourinho in reality is the worst manager we ever had. The gap we see today between us and City/Liverpool in playing style substantially grew in his tenure. City were were equal with us on the table in 15/16.
Moyes was naive and made mistakes but he didn't stay here long enough to cause big damage.

 

[crossy1686]

Some context for you all, this is the worst run we've had in 18 years...

I think Solskjær is the right man for the job and shouldn't be judged until he's had a summer to bring in who he wants and sell who he doesn't.

Right now, our big name players have a hell of a lot to answer for. Their performances have been diabolical for some, looking at you Pogba, Martial, Lingard, Lukaku, Sanchez, De Gea.

 

[anant]

Before people start criticizing OGS here, we really need to analyse the results in raw numbers and the performances by considering the fact that he came in December and he would need some time to get players playing his way

PL:
We're 3rd in the table since he came in. 2 points behind Pool (who've played a game more than us) and 1 behind City, arguably among top 3 sides in Europe right now in terms of talent and depth

Now, the obvious question will get thrown, but we've been lucky in a lot of these games. But have we? We won a couple of games where we were lucky like the one vs Watford, WHU and Spurs, but then we lost vs Arsenal, Wolves and drew Burnley as well. Hell, if we compare our performances vs xG and xGA, we've scored roughly same number of goals as expected from the shots we've taken (actually we've scored slightly less (0.68 goals less)) and conceded around 4 goals less than we should have, which is explainable as we have Dave between the sticks.

FA Cup:
Sure, it offered us the best shot at silverware this season, but I'd say QF isn't a bad run considering it wasn't on top priority for us. Additionally, we beat Arsenal away and Chelsea at the Bridge after 8(?) years, results that we weren't expecting to be honest.

CL:
When the draw came out in December, Jose was our manager and PSG was given a walkover as per most experts. We were the the team everyone wanted to play against, some favoured us over the likes of Schalke, Roma, Porto and Ajax as well. What followed vs PSG is the stuff people will talk for years to come. No one can say we weren't deserving, PSG simply didn't have a lot of shots over the 2 legs- it wasn't that we progressed due to a Dave masterclass, but because of grit and determination- something we haven't seen very often from a Manchester United side in post-SAF era. Add to that we had a considerable number of injuries as well in the 2nd leg.

Then we come to the game vs Barcelona. Sure we lost 4-0 on aggregate, but there were plenty of positives for us. Had we not made some individual blunders and been clinical, who knows, we might have been lining up vs Pool in the semis as well!

Look, I'm not one of those who'll go on preaching to back the manager. Hell, I wanted Poch as our manager but one needs to acknowledge that we've come a long way since Jose's sacking and in the right direction. We have a positive game plan going into every game and while it will take time and players of different ilk to take it to perfection, it's a big step in helping us reach our goals.

 

[Phil Osophy]

Mourinho in reality is the worst manager we ever had. The gap between us and City/Liverpool in terms of playing style substantially grew in his tenure.
Moyes was naive and made mistakes but he didn't stay here long enough to cause permanent damage.

I don't know if the worst, but the most dislikeable for sure. A total intruder who got the mask off after Sevilla. The only way we should mention Mourinho nowadays should be to mock him and laugh at how finished he is, any other thing is betraying the club.

With Moyes I was frustrated but he was a poor man lost in the forest, no badness at all. I have good memories of CL games (well, except Olympiakos away), with us being virtually qualified against Bayern with 30 minutes to play. It was strange how the team performed in Europe and away from home in the league, but then we were totally useless at home against everyone. He was lucky to last that much.

Under LVG we had shocking performances at home as well without any attacking intent, and Mourinho was shitting the pants as soon as we got 1-0 even against the dross. Even nowadays there's still a strange feeling at OT during games and the team don't look very comfortable there. Only 1 goal in CL at home this season is terrible stuff.

If Ole wants to succeed he needs to make us strong and reliable at home, win the winnable with certain ease and not lose many games along the season. In the last weeks we could have lost both against Watford and West Ham without problems and the noise around him and the team would be unbearable. Now let's finish the season in one way or another, but next season we need to see improvements in many ways. And I'm sure we'll do.

 

[Skills]

Mourinho in reality is the worst manager we ever had. The gap we see today between us and City/Liverpool in playing style substantially grew in his tenure. City were were equal with us on the table in 15/16.
Moyes was naive and made mistakes but he didn't stay here long enough to cause big damage.

The most damaging one for sure.