Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion

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If he does not resign. Then yes, he has the same motive at the end, take the rest of his contract and get a good early retirement.

Or, more rationally, he firmly believes in the work he’s doing, as well as the long term plan at the club. Hence he’s eager to stick it out, even if short term results aren’t what he’d expect them to be.
 
Let's see if he can improve this attack in the transfer market first and foremost. No fecker is doing much with a Pereira, Lingard, James and Rashford front line are they, let's be honest? There are small tweaks we can make but we're not exactly blessed with alternatives.

Yeah, Lukaku should've been replaced before being let go but we still would've lacked creativity with him anyway.
 
Or, more rationally, he firmly believes in the work he’s doing, as well as the long term plan at the club. Hence he’s eager to stick it out, even if short term results aren’t what he’d expect them to be.
He will stick until he's sacked. But shouldn't be criticized for that. At the end of the day it's a job and it's a business.

Let's see if he can improve this attack in the transfer market first and foremost. No fecker is doing much with a Pereira, Lingard, James and Rashford attack front line are they, let's be honest? There are small tweaks we can make, sure but we're not exactly blessed with alternatives. Yeah Lukaku should've been replaced but we still would've lacked creativity with him anyway.

He said that the "right forwards" weren't available in the Summer. What makes you think they will be available in the Winter or even next Summer?
 
The man is a fraud.

Shame as I genuinely enjoy the At the wheel chant.

I don't think he's a fraud, l genuinely thinks given time he can turn things around and l think if you ask Roberto Di Matteo he genuinely thinks he could have done better at Chelsea. But managing at this level is beyond him.
 
No one walks away from a 7 million or whatever he is on per year paycheck. He's not stupid.

After this he'll struggle to get a job in Championship so it's understandable to stay until he's sacked.
Then why do the "top reds" say he does not have the same motive like Jose, at the end, Jose did the same.
Or, more rationally, he firmly believes in the work he’s doing, as well as the long term plan at the club. Hence he’s eager to stick it out, even if short term results aren’t what he’d expect them to be.
So the argument now is built on something cant be proved at the moment. You are telling me to stop criticizing/doubting him because he has a long time plan that its result cant be seen at the present time, rather in few years?
 
What is this based on exactly pls? Molde? Cardiff? What please?
He relegated Cardiff then was sacked the following season 17th in the Championship. That was 5 years ago. Hasn't been seen near that level since until we decided to take him in.

“Cardiff City fans don’t remember his period in charge fondly at all,” Blake told Press Association Sport. “We were relegated by quite a big margin in the end and then in the Championship it was pretty woeful as well. He never managed to mould a team. He changed formation all too often. I don’t know who could have turned the club around but it certainly wasn’t him.”

He left Cardiff in September 2014 with his team hovering above the Championship drop zone and on being sacked, Solskjaer cited “a difference in philosophy” with Tan.

That was the final straw for the Malaysian, who responded: “Ole’s a nice guy, a good, famous footballer. Unfortunately it didn’t work out.

“He said we had a difference in philosophies. What philosophy? The philosophy for a football manager is to win matches.”
Regarding his stats in Norway:
In those 183 games in Norway, his side has conceded 222 goals - and that is a team who are one of the strongest in the country.

At Cardiff, 51 were let in over the 25 matches in charge, two goals per game.

His record throughout his career is for his team to concede an average of 1.31 goals every match.

Sound familiar?

The stats show us as having relegation form. We are drawing closer to the bottom of the table with every passing week. If this carries on, we definitely will be near the bottom of the table, there's no ifs about it.
 
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@Giggsyking I think that argument is irrelevant tbh.

Who was the last manager to resign in the "best interest of the club"?

At the end of the day he will receive a handsome farewell package and why shouldn't he? It was the board that made the mistake in appointing him..
 
Ole is just fine, but the club can’t afford him the time he needs. Think if we stick with him we’ll come reasonably good though, but probably never as good as we aspire to be.
 
@Giggsyking I think that argument is irrelevant tbh.

Who was the last manager to resign in the "best interest of the club"?

At the end of the day he will receive a handsome farewell package and why shouldn't he? It was the board that made the mistake in appointing him..
Zidan!
 
He will stick until he's sacked. But shouldn't be criticized for that. At the end of the day it's a job and it's a business.


He said that the "right forwards" weren't available in the Summer. What makes you think they will be available in the Winter or even next Summer?

Well, if he goes another transfer window or two without managing to bring in the players to improve the attack then obviously it'll be time for him to go then, but I'd like to see him at least get the chance until then.
 
I don't think he's a fraud, l genuinely thinks given time he can turn things around and l think if you ask Roberto Di Matteo he genuinely thinks he could have done better at Chelsea. But managing at this level is beyond him.
I like this analogy.

My terminology is probably a tad extreme but I find it difficult to continue to make excuses for this man.

The trouble with this club is that whatever a manager says, we have to read between the lines to decipher what’s going on & as fans we honestly don’t know so I’m going the route of judging OgS on his teams performances & comments in the press.

He raised fan expectations from before last season had finished when our form nosedived & he told us he knew the issues & had identified solutions. Here we are 2 months into the next season & the glaring holes from last season in midfield/attack still need filling.
 
No idea why isn't he playing Mata. He is bad but still better than Lingard.
 
Well you can argue that he stepped out at the right time, just after Cristiano left and the team needed a rebuild. Since then they are in a bad position and he still took the job back..

Well, if he goes another transfer window or two without managing to bring in the players to improve the attack then obviously it'll be time for him to go then, but I'd like to see him at least get the chance until then.
We will be near relegation zone if you give him another window or two.

I'm not sure what it will take for some to realize he's a poor manager.
 
That's unacceptable!! Any other team would've sacked their manager but not us

Don't you know? We are special and we are unique. We do things other clubs can't do. The United way is sacrosanct and we always stand by our manager. We don't boo them like the other clubs. That's why we have been hugely successful in the last 8 years and guess what? Let's stick by Ole. He is another Fergie in the making. Can't you just discern this? If you can't, it's on you and not the manager. We are not like other clubs at all. You should have known this a long time ago
 


WHU game wasn't that bad apparently. He's totally deluded.

I'm going to hate seeing this guy get the sack if it eventually happens. You get the feeling he believes he's doing a really good job.
 
“Ole is a nobody”.

Wankers like you are a blight on the club.

For what it’s worth, he’ll also be here in two months time.
Agree on the 'Ole is a nobody' comment, but lay off the insults.
 
I'm going to hate seeing this guy get the sack if it eventually happens. You get the feeling he believes he's doing a really good job.

I don't think he does. The results are absolutely appalling - worse than anything we've seen from a United side in the Premier League, even under Moyes. He must know how badly this is going.

He's pushing the "performances", "young squad", "long-term build" angle because it's all he has and the only narrative that can keep him in the job.
 
At least all the nut jobs have dropped the he was happy with the front three argument, clearly wanted someone else in as most sane people argued.
 
I'm willing to say we need better coaches. We have been playing rubbish for years. Get rid of Carrick and a few others and replace them with progressives coaches.

The issue isn't OGS. It is what is going on in training. Let Ole get himself a good squad. His signings last summer were great.

One issue I really have is playing Pogba as a DM. God knows what is going on with Fred also.

The extent to which some wil go to defend this out of depth man. Now it is the assistants at fault. Why don't we bring in the assistants at City or Pool and then all will be well. They don't need Guardiola and Klopp just like Ole is not crucial but the assistants.
 
So if he is such a great manager and its all the players fault, why cant he replicate the form the team were on that got him hired in the first place? He had a full summer to add to that team and get he fitness levels up to standard blah blah so why cant he get the team to play the way they did that landed him the job?
 
Why does he persist with Lingard? Imagine giving that clown a new contract if the rumours are true.
 
The extent to which some wil go to defend this out of depth man. Now it is the assistants at fault. Why don't we bring in the assistants at City or Pool and then all will be well. They don't need Guardiola and Klopp just like Ole is not crucial but the assistants.
Your point doesn't make sense. We don't know who is having what effect. You could fire Ole right now and those guys might be the ones to take over. Nothing more wishful than thinking that it might be better than Ole being in charge. New backroom staff could be a less dramatic way to change something. You could just as easily fire both manager and staff after, if it proved to not be the problem and the cause was the manager.
 
He is a managerial nobody, he is way out of his depth and he won’t be here by December, guaranteed, he isn’t even a championship level manager, you know it and I know it. You and your sentimentality can do one.

Well said but you will be accused of not being a top fan or not loving the club and being a glory hunter.
 
Thought so.. its a bit difficult know with the some of the posts in here. Yep 6 transfer windows at least because he loves the club.
True rebuild begins from the Championship. Ole is the man to take us there.

He needs of course some financial backing. Villa got 150m or so this season, he would need 300m until we properly evaluate him.
 
Your point doesn't make sense. We don't know who is having what effect. You could fire Ole right now and those guys might be the ones to take over. Nothing more wishful than thinking that it might be better than Ole being in charge. New backroom staff could be a less dramatic way to change something. You could just as easily fire both manager and staff after, if it proved to not be the problem and the cause was the manager.

The entire coaching stuff need to be sacked, but shifting the blame from the manager to his assistants is just hilarious and I think it's the first time to happen to any United manager post SAF. Back then people used to say "the buck stops with the manager". Now some are throwing the blame on everyone else even the assistants alone. It's desperate.

I don't like Carrick as a coach though and I don't think he's doing anything significant and as for McKenna he has been very overrated imo. However that does not excuse Ole. He's the manager. We can only argue that they shouldn't be staying after he gets sacked.
 
Thought so.. its a bit difficult know with the some of the posts in here. Yep 6 transfer windows at least because he loves the club.

Don't go to reddit because you'll really get confused since it seems like the majority opinion there is that we're in good hands under Ole and any criticism is looked down as "kneejerking, whining"
 
Don't go to reddit because you'll really get confused since it seems like the majority opinion there is that we're in good hands under Ole and any criticism is looked down as "kneejerking, whining"

That subreddit is even worse than here thanks to down voting of course. I used to post there at one point along side Caf before stopping eventually.
 
The entire coaching stuff need to be sacked, but shifting the blame from the manager to his assistants is just hilarious and I think it's the first time to happen to any United manager post SAF. Back then people used to say "the buck stops with the manager". Now some are throwing the blame on everyone else even the assistants alone. It's desperate.

I don't like Carrick as a coach though and I don't think he's doing anything significant and as for McKenna he has been very overrated imo. However that does not excuse Ole. He's the manager. We can only argue that they shouldn't be staying after he gets sacked.

I did say McKenna wasn’t the hero everyone was portraying him to be last year when CAF proclaimed he’d bring attacking football. He’s just a decent youth coach and that’s about it. That doesn’t mean it’s going to work at the higher level.

Then you have Mike Phelan and Carrick who don’t really inspire anyone with confidence.
 
You’re calling Ole Gunnar Solskjaer a “nobody”.

But I’m the one that needs to do one.

I’ve provided constructive criticism of the manager. But I’m doing it rationally. I’m also highlighting the piss poor recruitment that has contributed to the club fielding a front four of James, Rashford, Lingard and Pereira on a weekly basis. That’s a midtable attacking unit that is a million miles away from what United should be fielding.

Who pushed the one reliable goalscorer he had to Inter Milan?
 
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