And who placed their faith in Rashford and Lingard?
Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion
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And who placed their faith in Rashford and Lingard?
Matter of perspective. I for one find the negativity on here rather annoying. But then, I'm not in your camp. Each to their own I suppose.
If thats what needs to be done the so be it. We need to do it right this time. The United way. Whoever disagrees is throwing their toys or something like that.
We all know it's Ole so no excuses about the team. If he didn't find the right striker, he should have kept Lukaku untill next summer when he eventually does.
It's obviously not on Ole that team is where it is.
However, is Ole getting the best out of this side? No
Do the team looked coached? No
Have the team improved? No
Are the team improving? No
Would sacking Ole, at the moment, help? No.
However, is Ole getting the best out of this side? No
Do the team looked coached? No
Have the team improved? No
Are the team improving? No
Would sacking Ole, at the moment, help? No.
Regardless for being positive or negative, I for one don't like discussing anything on Reddit because you say an unpopular opinion in a discussion with someone else and you will get down voted to death which will hide your comment eventually.
As for negativity here, it's logical when the team is that shite, not being able to score more than goal a game, won only 3 matches out of 9 so far this season, and 10th position in the league. We even struggled to get past League One side in League Cup and barely defeated Astana in Europe League. There's nothing in this that boosts and confidence.
I don't think anyone is enjoying us being crap and wants to be negative but the reality is that's how the situation is. We are terrible, thus people will be negative. I don't get how can anyone expect anything different.
If if if.... I hear this after every game. Fact is we are not good enough, there is zero progress and it is all big words so far. Every other manager (and CEO btw) would have walked long time ago. Ole is not the man for the job no matter how long you wanna give him time
Are the players of Astana, Rochdale, West Ham, Southampton, Crystal Palace better than ours? If they are in your eyes, fair enough, if they aren't; Is it also Ed's fault for the shitshow perfomances we have had against them?
Then he is deluded
Lingard again playing and doing absolutely nothing. Very difficult to defend Ole right now.
So if he is such a great manager and its all the players fault, why cant he replicate the form the team were on that got him hired in the first place?
He had a full summer to add to that team and get he fitness levels up to his standards blah blah so why cant he get the team to play the way they did that landed the him the job?
You may have a point, but who’s available and would do a better job with the club with Woodward in charge of transfers? If we’re fecked either way, I’m fine with us at least keeping United men in charge until a better option presents itself. We’ve sold two international level midfielders and two international level forwards and just not replaced them - unsurprisingly those are the weaknesses showing through so far. We can argue all day long about whether Herrera/Fellaini/Lukaku/Sanchez were good enough for a United with top 4 ambitions, but they were surely better than what we’ve been left with and I don’t believe for a second the “plan” was to shed all this quality and hope a handful of reserves would step up and be better than they were. Ole had to have wanted more players and said nearly as much.
At some point, we’ve got to acknowledge that the shit show that has been United since Sir Alex and David Gill left will not be fixed quickly and every fired manager is not necessarily a step forwards. We’ve made our bed, now we’ve got to lie in it.
You're right about Reddit. It's why I never post on there tbh. And yeah it makes sense that we're not in a good mood because we're not playing well. The difference between us is you point to the manager whereas I point to the squad and Woodward.
No self respecting manager would want to take over this squad.
Neither would he accept the decisions that have and have not been made.
They have hollowed out the club.
We are not run as a football club.
That is why it is not unthinkable we could be dragged near the relegation zone.
Neither would he accept the decisions that have and have not been made.
They have hollowed out the club.
We are not run as a football club.
That is why it is not unthinkable we could be dragged near the relegation zone.
Is this some kind of mind game? He can't be serious. Right?
As the Vice Chairman Ed also needs to ask Ole why his list is so small? Surely there are plenty of players around that are much better than the current lot we have now.
This team by January would most probably be in the bottom half of the league. Pogba would go and Maguire would be having nightmares about joining as Leicester could be challenging for the CL spot.
This team by January would most probably be in the bottom half of the league. Pogba would go and Maguire would be having nightmares about joining as Leicester could be challenging for the CL spot.
Well said man, anybody who think's otherwise is of course entitled to that opinion but are being so naive and shouldn't "attack" other fans for having a more sensible opinion. The positive things he has done so far are basic things most, if not all managers are capable of doing and should of done a long time ago this club.
I am actually pointing to both Ole and Woodward. Makes no mistake, Woodward definitely is a disaster to the club, so the only thing we are disagreeing is the manager.
It's just a matter of time now before he gets sacked ,just have to hope that we are still in the EL by then. Manchester United football club have won 2 out of the first 7 league games and were taken to penalties at home in the league cup by a relegation level league 1 side . These set of results follow an end to the season where we won like 1 out of last 10 games. If you still think that recruitment is to be blamed and not the manager then you are just clueless. Would anyone else be getting the same support he is getting ?
This is my main reasoning to think he isn't good enough and had hit his ceiling already. If he had shown improvements in those areas, played the kids more and shelved the likes of Young, Lingard he would've got my vote of confidence and I wouldn't even care about the results.
Played the kids more? He has given them plenty of chances. The only reason Young has played as kuch as he has is because he's literally our only fullback that isn't injured. Lingard plays because we have nobody better, as sad as it is. Gomes maybe but he hasn't done much with the chances he got and last I heard he picked up an injury which is why he's not been with the team the past week. Ole has shown loads of improvement when it comes to 1. Playing the kids 2. Recruitment 3. Not being a toxic cnut like Mourinho was.
Yes he could not get them to pass because they are not good enough. He could not get them to score because they could not create but surely he could at least get them to try to get a set piece right just for once? Once?
Get a near post corner to be flicked on? He has so many good headers in his side. No he is living in a fantasy world. Just like most of us if given Manchester United.
I thought Moyes was delusional but I have to say so is Ole. He is a legend as a player but he is destroying his legacy here by being a manager.
He needs to go before he drags us into a relegation battle by January.
Get a near post corner to be flicked on? He has so many good headers in his side. No he is living in a fantasy world. Just like most of us if given Manchester United.
I thought Moyes was delusional but I have to say so is Ole. He is a legend as a player but he is destroying his legacy here by being a manager.
He needs to go before he drags us into a relegation battle by January.
Keep reverting to the same things which are clearly aren't working aren't exactly the traits of good management on Ole's part. I would rather see a kid from the academy plays at full-back than Young, and would take Gomes over Lingard irrespective to the results.
I would disagree with you Ole doe not play the kids enough and should place more faith in them. In regards to recruitments, everybody and their dogs knew we will be going after AWB, hoping for Maguire, and praying for a left-sided attacker. His past player acquisitions aren't exactly strokes of a genius. However, I agree with you Jose was a shadow of the man he once was and had to go.
I believe there are many things wrong with the club and that's why we've been struggling so much despite the changes in personnel and all the money spent. Ed Woodward has been the one constant rot and the biggest problem but I really think we're stuck with very much out of depth manager and the coaching staff.
He's appearing more clueless by the day. Loves playing Rashford, Lingard and Periera regardless of form or fitness. The coaching work doesn't really appear to be visible. 9 points from 7 games, and it's gotten to the point where I don't think people are even very disappointed to drop 2 points against arsneal at home anymore.
Fantastic jobOle is out of his depth. But at the same time, he is surrounded by Phelan, Carrick, and McKenna. Therefore, all of them must share blame.
We can change the manager as much as we like but the football stays just as bad. Time we let the players know it's just not good enough.
We can change the manager as much as we like but the football stays just as bad. Time we let the players know it's just not good enough.
You know he knows better than that. He has to say that to keep whatever confidence levels we have.
Can you get stats (assuming you're a member) on distance covered in our games so far (vs opponents) and sprints made?
I think that's purely a friendship thing.
I hope for Ole's sake, that if he walks or gets sacked, that he will forgo the money for an NDA and tell it like it is for the sake of the fans and the future of the club.
I think Roeder had more quality in his squad than what we have.
I really wish Ole would stop lying to us. He just said Rashford is 100% fit
I also wish people would realize Rashford is not more than a Championship level striker
Finally a fan on this forum making sense.. Pogba is overrated though. He needs 10 WC players too shine!
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Sorry but this was really funny
September 4th - post Soton
September 23rd - Post West Ham
Wednesday - Post Rochdale
Brilliant mate. I see you've changed your tune since then and yet still being obnoxious about it.
My favourite bit is me criticising our style of play and the story of our matches , only for you to condescendingly ask me if I’ve actually watched any united games and then a month later proceeding to say exactly what I said a month ago about our style of play and story of our matches....
Sorry but this was really funny
September 4th - post Soton
September 23rd - Post West Ham
Wednesday - Post Rochdale
Brilliant mate. I see you've changed your tune since then and yet still being obnoxious about it.
My favourite bit is me criticising our style of play and the story of our matches , only for you to condescendingly ask me if I’ve actually watched any united games and then a month later proceeding to say exactly what I said a month ago about our style of play and story of our matches....
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Of course it wpuld. We would get someone in who'll coach our side better and evaluate what we need going forward in a system that makes sense. Currently our coach is living in his own dream world where our squad doesnt need major surgery.
Part of me thinks we need to see how Ole plays with a creative midfielder and decent striker,however another part feels it doesn't matter who he signs he still will have us looking devoid of any style of play.
He doesn't fill you with much confidence at all,can he really be trusted to improve this team in the areas that need addressing.
His tactics are absolutely baffling,particularly the stuff you mentioned above.
I am seriously worried about his ability to attract decent players to the club too.
Can we trust him to sign the creative midfielder,DM,RW and striker we so desperately need.
Yeah he simply has to have the balls to demand money from the board for a CM and ST in January,shouldn't just be a martyr and accept the situation until the summer.
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