For the rest I’d agree, not so much Keane.
Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion
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For the rest I’d agree, not so much Keane.
The problem with ole is that he’s a Man Utd fan...more specifically an Alex Ferguson fan.
And it’s exactly like watching what a general Utd fan would do if they got the job. Chuck the young lads in as if that’s the answer to everything. most fans in here would rather just promote and play the entire academy team to pay tribute to our “legacy”
How long did it take for fergie to get a crop of young players he thought were worth his time. How long did he take to integrate them into the team?
6 academy players in the team today like it’s some kind of badge of honour...that’s the same team that will struggle to hit 60 points.
And it’s exactly like watching what a general Utd fan would do if they got the job. Chuck the young lads in as if that’s the answer to everything. most fans in here would rather just promote and play the entire academy team to pay tribute to our “legacy”
How long did it take for fergie to get a crop of young players he thought were worth his time. How long did he take to integrate them into the team?
6 academy players in the team today like it’s some kind of badge of honour...that’s the same team that will struggle to hit 60 points.
The supporters attending matches aren’t typically screaming from the rooftops that Ole has “no respect” for the fans. Or that he is a “nobody”.
Let’s call a spade.
How dare you think 5 minutes ahead of the rest?!
If you don’t see good arguments in wanting him out. You are defending him. Simple.
Dont worry it was the same situation with Moyes. Anyone that didnt respect SAF's wish was a spoiled plastic fan blah blah I even got called anti Scottish cause I wanted Moyes gone. Its the same now with Ole.
Go back a page or two. I don’t need to quote them.
What are his options though? If we'd started with say Mata in that game, loads of posters would've gone apeshit at that.
Neither am I and I'm from the Middle East. I just don't like the region argument. It's 1 AM here and I'm arguing about Man Utd on an online forum when I have to be up in 4 hours. We all care, regardless of our thoughts about the manager (I'm Ole in btw).
The transfer are fine, yes. Aside from the ones he didn't make as he naively thought we're good enough to go without signing a striker or a CM (with letting Herrera go).
Yeah we would have. But he also gave Mata a new contract. So he lost that one before the season even started.
I’m criticising posters that seem to think it’s acceptable to abuse him personally, insinuate he has no respect for the supporters, or suggest that he is only in it for the money.
Yes, I’m defending him against these bellends. Because he scored the winner for club in ‘99 and scored a shit load of goals for us. There’s an attachment there that will always remain.
Was it him or Ed? Given the lack of signings, maybe he figured it's better to have one old head around than only the kids, who knows?
What a brain dead way of making the decision that is. The club was riding on the nostalgia wave in the summer with inexperience running throughout the club. Anyone could see this being a real possibility beforehand. We must have contingencies in place surely!?
If we act fast, we've only played 7 matches, there's still 31 matches to play (over 80% left), we can still salvage the season. To think we will possibly leave it until the season is totally ruined before making a decision is so, so backwards. We had enough of that last year with Jose.
The only thing giving me some hope right now is the way Woodward stabbed LVG in the back to hire Mourinho. He must have been on the blower to Poch recently eh?
We'd probably try for Allegri and some kind of top 4 rescue mission. If he turned us down (which is quite likely), it'd be Carrick/Phelan and damage limitation.
Unfortunately, I suspect what we'll end up realising is that he was a mediocre manager who got the job on the back of a freakish run that he'll never be able to replicate. I hate the idea of sacking him but I also don't see the progress that others do and I worry that we'll throw away another couple of years on a guy who, if we're honest, probably wouldn't get a job at many other PL clubs, even now.
With all of that said, I think he's well down the list of problems we've got. That doesn't mean he's not a problem, though.
With all of that said, I think he's well down the list of problems we've got. That doesn't mean he's not a problem, though.
It’s a the cheap and lazy imitation of fergie I have the issue with. Fergie had problems with senior players but he only moved them on when he could afford to. We must have the youngest squad in the league and they are no where near good enough.
If only more were like you. The hysterical loons that abuse the manager and inevitably dominate social media have little affiliation to the club at all.
What does the ocean and Manchester United have in commen? ..... To much plastic!
This is a job that will take time, unless we get some proper funding. Ole is doing a fantastic job with the players he got.
Real supporters direct their rage towards the owners!
This is a job that will take time, unless we get some proper funding. Ole is doing a fantastic job with the players he got.
Real supporters direct their rage towards the owners!
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The biggest argument against sacking him is because we're scared of going back to square one while Woodward is still in post, let's face it. The project under Ole, where we rid ourselves of overhyped has-beens and start building an exciting youthful core over a few windows, is tantalising and we all knew this season would be difficult. But the form we're in, in terms of results and performances, is the kind that would probably see every PL board putting a few feelers out. Watching the games there is little to suggest we're being well-coached, and though injuries and the lack of attacking reenforcement on top of the general state of the club are all valid excuses to varying degrees, it is now reflecting badly on Ole that he is struggling to get even a semblance of a tune out of a squad he's worked with for the best part of a year.
That attachment has nothing to do with his current job. He is here for the money, it is obvious. If he is going to stick to the job (despite our worse season start since 1990) and being in 11th place, then yes he should think of all the love the fans has for him as a club legend and do not ruin this image. If he wants to hold on to the job despite this shit show, fine, that is fair, it is a contract that should be respected at the end, but in this case he is not different from Jose .
Very fair analysis, I'd say.
All these magnanimous ‘real fan’ posts do my nut in....
Our form under Ole has been terrible since March...
We have barely won a game... over the last 15 games we are literally showing relegation form.. not figuratively.. Literally.
We have been incapable of scoring goals...
He has allowed players to leave without bringing in replacements...
We have absolutely no defined tactics or style of play...
We continue to play out of form players in a formation that literally suits none of their skill sets..
We continue to make substitutions that make no sense, are too late.. and have no effect on the game..
He has no pedigree in management and will not act as a lure for top talent..
But no... your right... let’s give him time.. because he is really showing the signs that things are about to turn around...
The whole Klopp analogy is ridiculous...it didn’t happen immediately, but you could see from day 1 exactly what he was trying to impose in terms of identity and tactics... it needed time to bed in and he needed the right players.... I ask you... what on Earth is Oles plan... I have absolutely no idea..
I do feel sorry for Ole... it’s not his fault... He inherited a band hand... but he is playing it very badly. And I’m sure we can all agree that the real problem sits above Ole... but if you think Ole would have us playing footy like City or Liverpool with time and money... I think you are living in dreamworld.
WHU game wasn't that bad apparently. He's totally deluded.
And now I read higher up on the page the likes of us are swarming the place? I was hanging out on the Caf and then all of a sudden it became locust season every year, but it’s the negativity that’s plaguing us. Even under Fergie people were whining about how static and boring we were. They barely know anything but success and start freaking out once we hit a proper malaise, which we were always going to post-Fergie, it seems.
Thank goodness match-going fans seem more resilient.
I hate to say it, but I miss the old days. Once I start talking like this I feel like eating a gun (metaphorically, as a Caftard). And it wasn’t the football that did it... for shame.
Stop trying to gaslight people, we know want he meant by Ole is a nobody, as a manager he a nobody.
Before you start calling fans that don't agree with you wankers maybe you should get a mirror.
what is our worst start ever at top level after 11, 12 games? Considering what October holds and our state, probably that record is up for grabs for Ole.
Sacking here and sacking there. Take it easy guys. We knew it would be tough season. Ole is doing well with this squad we have. Sure, there are things that I don't agree with him but overall I don't think it is as bad as lot of you think. He should be given time and I still believe that we will get better during the season. Some things take time. Simple. Right now we are paying misstakes from some of our players individually.
7 games. 9 Points. Yes, it is not optimal but looking at our games, squad and injuries we had it is not catastrofic. We are still 4-5 points from CL place, what should be our target this year. We were never going to beat Liverpool and City but I don't see any other team running away in table. It will be lot of teams battling for CL places. Hopefully us.
7 games. 9 Points. Yes, it is not optimal but looking at our games, squad and injuries we had it is not catastrofic. We are still 4-5 points from CL place, what should be our target this year. We were never going to beat Liverpool and City but I don't see any other team running away in table. It will be lot of teams battling for CL places. Hopefully us.
Read a tweet that someone said he still looks and feels like the interim manager which I'd agree with. I love all 3 signings that he made, and I agree with every sale. From a squad management point of view, I cant really criticize him and the parts where people can, I'd say it's more on Woodward anyway. So from that perspective, if at leas we build a good squad of players for the next guy then he'd have done more good than bad (more then we can say about some of the previous guys).
Obviously in terms of coaching, motivation, etc he hasn't really shown anything yet. Part of me is thinking that's down to players he has at his disposal, but also a big part on him. I do think when we have everyone fit it won't be bad, and it's always important to judge the results relative to the squad (and the squad build up is more on Woodwards ineptitude than Ole's).
Obviously in terms of coaching, motivation, etc he hasn't really shown anything yet. Part of me is thinking that's down to players he has at his disposal, but also a big part on him. I do think when we have everyone fit it won't be bad, and it's always important to judge the results relative to the squad (and the squad build up is more on Woodwards ineptitude than Ole's).
Put the poll, it is time for the important question "should he be sacked?"
It was a needless, condescending remark that was articulated poorly and quite rightly taken to task.
There will be a lot of teams battling for avoiding relegation. Our form is closer the the latter pack.
Worst start in 30 years and he's doing ok.
Wonder what other excuses will come up come Christmas.
Very good post. Some people don't want to call it as it is for fear of not being a 'real fan' but i agree with everything you've stated. He's simply out of his depth and even he now knows it judging by the look of him.
It's all well and good people saying to give him more time but you have to see something to believe in, in the short-term, to warrant that faith. He's been here 9 months now, the existing players are going backwards, coaching is non-existent, in-game management is abysmal. The stats are showing relegation form. There's nothing to suggest so far, giving him more time will change any of that.
If this carries on, we'll be closer to the bottom of the table soon.
There's still over 80% of matches still to play. Have we not learned anything over the past few years? We should cut the cord and try and salvage the season before it's too late.
The attachment dictates that you treat the bloke with some sort of respect. People that can’t manage that are wankers. Suggesting that he is similar in motive to Mourinho certainly walks that line.
Agree, I think we should offer him a new contract ASAP just in case other big clubs notice the amazing job he is doing.If he does not resign. Then yes, he has the same motive at the end, take the rest of his contract and get a good early retirement.
He's utterly delusional to the notion that Ole is doing a bad job and will be sacked soon. Poor guy.There will be a lot of teams battling for avoiding relegation. Our form is closer the the latter pack.
Worst start in 30 years and he's doing ok.
Wonder what other excuses will come up come Christmas.
No one walks away from a 7 million or whatever he is on per year paycheck. He's not stupid.
After this he'll struggle to get a job in Championship so it's understandable to stay until he's sacked.
What is this based on exactly pls? Molde? Cardiff? What please?
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