Poch wouldn't get away with it but let's not act like the reaction would be the same. It would be different because he has proven himself before.
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Poch wouldn't get away with it but let's not act like the reaction would be the same. It would be different because he has proven himself before.
but apart from you, the reaction wasn't any different with Jose last season. Pretty much everyone wanted him out once the results went to shit.
You said why did I not react the same way when Jose went through a bad patch right? I said because he has proven himself before, that means there is belief that he can fix it. The reaction to Ole is different because he has never proven anything and there is no real belief that it will change. That's what I mean by leverage.
Of course the reaction would be the same.
If Poch finished outside the top four, and started the season winning one out of four, whilst selling a lot of players, plenty of posters would want him gone.
Pochettino hasn't proven he's good enough to take United to where they need to be, unlike Pep,Klopp,Jose etc.
But Jose has never fixed anything in his third season once it went to shit so your belief was completely misguided.
Let's be honest, your difference between Mourinho and Ole is that you love Mourinho.
What's your point? People can have their own opinion. I gave you a reason why people could react differently to someone with past credentials and someone without any.
And I think we're all agreed that it's a silly reason.
I already said it was right for him to go so I really do not get your point here.
There are many clubs who hired managers who didn't have top level management experience. Then again, 'top level' is subjective.
You cannot say with a straight face that the same amount of people would want Poch gone compared to Ole.
I absolutely can, and would, and am.
If Poch had the results Ole had plenty would want him gone, you're talking about Poch not Sir Alex himself.
Why should it be subjective? Top clubs get into CL regularly and we have got into CL a few times after SAF had retired. Top clubs win in trophies too both local and domestic regularly. We are a top club still and so is Chelsea. Lampard would not be there if they have a disaster there.
Of course some people will want him gone. It would still be less than Ole because Ole has proven nothing. Simple as.
Weird to include Jose there since he is the only one on the list who has proven that he isn't good enough to take us where we need to be.
Yup Kovac to bayern is one of them.
That’s a bit different to hiring a manager from Norway.
Not sure what your post has anything to do with the point in discussion.
It's hiring managers without experience at top level, not which club is top level.
How do you explain the majority of United fans wanting Mourinho to go then?
Yeah, thats true actually. I did mean more in the sense that they're proven at other clubs, but yeah Jose failed here in the end.
They didn’t like Mourinho? They thought another manager would get more out of those players?
fecking hell so random, 0 context just post for the sake of it. In case there is any confusion, @ash_86 your post is not random.
But Mourinho has proven more than Ole and Poch, so why would they think a different manager could get more out of the players?
Why did people want Van Gaal out the door by Christmas of his second season, another manager who has proven more than Pochettino and Solsjkaer.
Your idea, as several people have pointed out now, is wrong.
It's a huge gamble for club as big as bayern hiring someone whos won nothing significant.
Some people yes. I am saying more people would want Ole out because he has never proven anything before. There is always going to be people wanting managers out after bad form.
@haram, your anti Ole agenda is clear to see.
It is a gamble but it is still not comparable to hiring someone from the Norweigan league.
Not some people, most. Most people wanted Jose out when the results suffered, as they did with Van Gaal. The idea that people would be willing to put up with poor results because of who the manager is is wrong. You are wrong. The last two managers of United and Ole show that you are wrong.
For saying if Poch was our manager less people would want him out compared to Ole?
Pogba, is precisely 1 of the key problem identified by Mourinho. Likewise the inconsistency of Rashford and Martial as well, that's why he recruited Ibra then Lukaku and still wanted Perisc/Sanchez.
if Pogba CAN played close to his best ability consistently, is not a solution, but a problem itself.,
Oh my God. So if Pep becomes our manager and goes on a similar run to Ole in the same amount of time do you think the reaction is the same? The fans would be more willing to give him more time. Simple as.
It's a bigger gamble for them as they have everything to lose. Us not much as we've been shit anyway.
If Pep comes in midway through the season, fails to get top four, spends over 100 million and wins one match out of four in his next season then yes people would want him out. I've provided you actual evidence of this being the case, the best you can give me is if statements followed by your opinion. If you can offer me some evidence of A Manchester United manager coming in, failing his objectives and struggling and fans not wanting him out, ill happily give your opinion more respect. You can't do that though, so, I won't. "Simple as."
Yes SOME people will want him out. Would it be as many people who want Ole out? fecking NO.
Again, I've provided actual proof that you're wrong. If you have any to the contrary, please feel free to show me, otherwise have a good afternoon.
How deluded can you be
Its funny how Jose fans used to shit on Poch for not having "winning mentality" and once Jose was sacked they all boarded Poch train.
I'm totally on board with the thin squad that gives youth a chance.
So you're saying if Poch would do badly not many people would want him out given his record.
Yet most people wanted Jose out despite his record cause he was doing badly. Poch, Jose or Pep wouldn't get any leeway if they would do poorly. You completely made up a point and you're sticking with it.
He's shown that he has no proof of what he says mate, watch out though or he'll call you deluded, simple as.
I said less people would want Poch out compared to Ole. Why? Because people might feel like he can turn it around as he has done a good job at Spurs. It's not even a controversial point.
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