Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion
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If he wants patience maybe he should win a game.
Not so much his own players, just time to get his ideas across. Also praises Ole's character and what he is trying to do as manager.
If ‘fans’ don’t have patience... maybe they should consider supporting another team?
The way I see it... we’re starting to clear a lot of deadwood from the squad but there’s plenty more could be purged elsewhere.
There isn't much in it between us and Leicester tbf, and in some areas I'd actually wager they are better than us. Particularly in the most important area on the pitch (midfield); so yes, I'd say that there isn't much difference between the squad we have and Leicester.
Also, while the point re the table was a facile one, my actual argument was in terms of the results and performances during these 4 games. On that metric, Palace have outperformed Newcastle. Not by much, but they have outperformed them nonetheless. And this is backed up by the understat league table as well, with Palace 2 places above the barcodes.
I may possibly need to rewatch the match, as my view from the away end wasn't the best, and I agree that we need to do much more in breaking down organised defences, but I think it's a quality (or lack thereof) issue, rather than a systemic one. We are getting in to good positions but the final pass/shot is letting us down. I've said before, we have 8 or 9 players of a decent starting XI atm, and until those 2 or 3 are replaced either by someone from the academy or a signing or 2, we will continue to have these issues.
If we start winning again can we ban you for celebrating our success as your so happy to remove fans who want us to be successful again?
Absolutely. I watched Southampton game again last night, and I’m really puzzled by some of the comments. Should have won that game easy. Trying to see what all the doom and gloom posters say about non style of play. I thought it was easy to see several things which certainly is style of play. The team move defensive as a unit now. Last season there was a big gap between midfield and back line. Now they move as a unit and are mostly composed. Off course there are blips, and they usually come when losing the ball with bad passes. Retaining the ball deep, it’s the same thing. The forwards move as a unit and fast. The Achilles heal, power play. Well, again there is a lot of good movement, but also some lack of rhythm. There are two ways mainly trying to open up, and that is moving the ball fast on the ground creating space to run in, and making crosses and running behind defenders. For me that does not only show a style of play, but diversity. They can switch, and they do. What is evident on things to work on is finishing. There are a lot of bad passes which loose the ball, but also hindering the rhythm in attack. These are things that will be better when players develop relationships. After all, it is a pretty new composed team. For me, I support Ole’s statement 100%. There isn’t a dip in form, but a dip in results. This team could easily be on top of the table with a bit of luck and more clinical finishing. Two/three players in and some time to find that rhythm, and this is a football team.
Mate, absolutely bang on. The likes of that guy and a few others on this forum as well as social media are literal deadwood. Contribute nothing in terms of debate or support, but want to bask in the vicarious glory and will throw a hissy fit when they don't.
I'd rather us be in the Championship than to be associated with such people if I'm truly honest.
No, I'd rather we ban the turncoats who disrespected a total club legend when he stopped winning every week, but we can't have everything I suppose...
I said almost exactly the same yesterday and I was accused of insulting the poster
At the end of the day we all have opinions. But we are all United fans. I don’t believe in your disrespecting legends fairytale rubbish. But I will respect you as a United fan and never tell you to support another club.
I have my own issues with Ole but funny how he didnt spout similar shit under JM.
He clearly loved José but a lot of people on here clearly love Ole the player and are dragging that love into there opinions on not wanting to be as harsh as they was with Mourinho. When Ole’s actually performing worse.
I think we will have to disagree on this. I think we are improving as a counter attacking unit but not so much as a team who can play fluid football in possession. That has already let us down and will keep doing so till Ole fixes it. Whether he has the ability to do so remains to be seen. On the evidence so far, I don't see it happening.
It's not surprising isn't it.
Maybe because Jose won games and finished 2nd. Meanwhile people wanted him out during that season. Jose is also a proven manager, Ole managed Molde.
If you actually took time of forums and sat down
Again. Ole is to old to play! You need the right players to do so. I don’t think McTominay is very good passing the ball. And when he makes a pass it takes to much time. Pogba loosing a lot of posession, but can pass. Lindgard not doing well at the moment either. Mata is the only one fit who can, but you loos a lot of pressing power. Maybe Fred can step up when fit, and Garner is to young. There is nothing Ole can do, but motivate them and try and pick the right player on the day. No doubt a CM is first on the transfer wish list.
What?
Maybe Fred (he doesn’t rate Fred). Garner he doesn’t actually play youth does he. If a CM was first on his list why didn’t he bloody get one.
I think this is where the distinction lies: I'm a supporter who supports the team. You and others of your ilk, on the other hand, are consumers who are expecting a service from the team/club and you can't handle us not being particularly great at this moment in time. I also look at the context and see that Ole has had one hand tied behind his back and has been set up to fail by an incompetent board, and yet, he has still turfed out the players who needed to be turfed out years ago.
I'd also say I'm actually quite realistic on the club. I don't think we're going to win anything of real significance for a while, and I'm even open to the idea that Ole might not be the right man for the job. Where I draw the line though, is being disrespectful to a club legend, and someone who by his actions has put the club before his career.
I think when you're actually a proper supporter of the club rather than a consumer, you're number 1 priority is having some pride in the way the team plays and you then build towards winning trophies. I can handle us losing quite easily, what I can't handle is players who don't give a shit and do nothing to arrest the tide. That has not happened thus far, and the players are all pulling in the same direction even now during this difficult time. Whether they are good enough, only time will tell, but I'm more than happy to give Ole the time to figure it out while working with a squad that was nowhere near fit for purpose last season and has been depleted even more since he arrived.
Fair enough, only time will tell.
Surely you are having a laugh? Fred has been training for a few weeks. He is not up to speed.. He dosent play youth? Not all of them at the same time? Or not at all? Puzzling statement. They couldn’t get one, surely. Did you see the market this summer? But next in line is certainly a CM. The signings so far have been clinical.
Doesn't play youth, yet has had the youngest starting XI every week since the season started
Sometimes you wonder if there is any point spending your five post a day answering Doesn't play youth, yet has had the youngest starting XI every week since the season started
The hoardes of clueless keyboard warriors on this thread ruined my work output yesterday, I'm going to sign out otherwise it'll be another wasted day.Sometimes you wonder if there is any point spending your five post a day answering
Good luck
I'll join in with you moaning fecks if we start to look like the second best team on the pitch frequently which was the case under Moyes, LVG and Mourinho. Solskjaer should only be judged on this season, and so far we've been the best side in all our games, pre-season included. Not to mention that the three signings he's made has been our best performers.
It’s the loss to Palace that doesn’t sit right with me. It was our easiest fixture on paper and one we should never be losing at home regardless of the manager.
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That’s your argumentation in a nutshell.
Others has serious concerns about our latest results. If our manager situation is optimal in a long term perspective. If having Pogba in a 2-man midfield is the best way to use our best and most creative player. Selling our best striker without a replacement. Letting both Fellaini and Herrera leave without replacements. Many of our players don’t progress. We don’t seems to have a plan B when we’re one down. Our pressing game isn’t synchronized after eight month. There is no notable patterns in our games. We still make simple mistakes over and over again all over the pitch without correcting it. Our set pieces is awful.
I stop there.
The critic isn’t against a club legend. All of us wants Solksjaer to succeed, get that Pal! My and many others care about Manchester United. I have since 1974 followed this club, players and managers had come and gone. Ole Gunnar is always a legend because his contribution in the CL final 1999. But as a manager he’s paid to take valid criticism. We as supporters must have a chance to voice our concerns without being singled out from posters like you. Accept different opinions. Accept that your view isn’t my view. My and other critics support is as valuable as yours. On game days we support our club 100% and if I saw Solksjaer in person I would support him and wish him the best but I should also voice my concerns if he gave a moment or two to do so.
There are many things he do very well. Clearing out the deadwood is his strongest statement so far. I respect him a lot because it takes guts to take that road. But when we lose my focus is on the negatives, natural reaction if you ask me.
That’s your argumentation in a nutshell.
Others has serious concerns about our latest results. If our manager situation is optimal in a long term perspective. If having Pogba in a 2-man midfield is the best way to use our best and most creative player. Selling our best striker without a replacement. Letting both Fellaini and Herrera leave without replacements. Many of our players don’t progress. We don’t seems to have a plan B when we’re one down. Our pressing game isn’t synchronized after eight month. There is no notable patterns in our games. We still make simple mistakes over and over again all over the pitch without correcting it. Our set pieces is awful.
I stop there.
The critic isn’t against a club legend. All of us wants Solksjaer to succeed, get that Pal! My and many others care about Manchester United. I have since 1974 followed this club, players and managers had come and gone. Ole Gunnar is always a legend because his contribution in the CL final 1999. But as a manager he’s paid to take valid criticism. We as supporters must have a chance to voice our concerns without being singled out from posters like you. Accept different opinions. Accept that your view isn’t my view. My and other critics support is as valuable as yours. On game days we support our club 100% and if I saw Solksjaer in person I would support him and wish him the best but I should also voice my concerns if he gave a moment or two to do so.
There are many things he do very well. Clearing out the deadwood is his strongest statement so far. I respect him a lot because it takes guts to take that road. But when we lose my focus is on the negatives, natural reaction if you ask me.
Pep lost to Palace at home last season with a much better side than we have. Results like that can happen.
I just find it strange. I don't get why you would be a 'United fan' when you clearly get nothing out of it... less than nothing in fact. I can't even call them United supporters because they do zero actual supporting - apart from maybe when we win.
You could literally be reading the words of an opposition fan half the time and you would not know any different... actually you probably would as the opposition fan would be talking more sense.
We haven’t played anybody of note yet and despite the 4-0 vs Chelsea we looked 2nd best for the majority of the game.
We have won 3 out of the last 15. One being Chelsea this season. Do people remember when we beat Watford? They fecking battered us. Pretty sure we were lucky against West Ham as well. That’s the three games we have won.
Embarrasing.
Embarrasing.
Okay. He was 2 weeks out of pre season. How much bloody training sessions does he need to get ready. Martial will be injured for two weeks now. Shall I expect a month from him being fit for him to get games as he needs to get up to speed. The bull people believe is a joke.
You say playing the youth? It depends what you class as youth. I mean hell we can class Rashford as youth but the guy has had 3 full seasons of premier league football. Angel Gomes still doesn’t have 45 minutes of football. When he does maybe i will jump on this Ole plays the youth rubbish.
Clinical but not enough. Atletico literally changed a whole team but we couldn’t get a CM. I point to our incompetent recruiting but I still fear it was Longstaff and a punt at Eriksen. Which is pathetic.
I really did try to read this. Really did!!!
In time he will be sacked and we can discuss what went wrong. You can judge my consumer views against your top red views.
Weird how when we won 7 in 17 games under Mourinho last season you weren't calling him embarrassing. Pretty sure you were blaming the squad, the owners, and everyone else but him, yet here we are, under Ole, and you're pointing the blame right at him now.
You don’t support him without criticism so your a “consumer”
So Ole is doing even worse and somehow you think this is a good response. Before even going into all of that Jose Mourinho has actually proven himself and Ole managed Molde and was relegated with Cardiff. Goodbye.
People need to stop comparing Ole to Klopp, Pep, SAF or Mourinho. He is nowhere near and never will be.
Ole have said goodbye to Lee O`Connor today.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2019/0903/1073472-celtic-sign-irish-under-21-defender-lee-oconnor/
https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2019/0903/1073472-celtic-sign-irish-under-21-defender-lee-oconnor/
But Mourinho was doing shit too and never looked like turning around yet you refused to blame him for anything. Ole is obviously not good enough and deserves criticism for our performances under him but your double standards when it comes to the two is hilarious.
How is double standards when I said it was time for Jose to go? I can just acknowledge the boards and Woodward's part in it. Not rocket science.
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