Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion

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Dec9003 said:
Just face it mate, he made you and a few others look a bit foolish.
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Nah, get your facts straight. I myself posted one message basically conceding that I was wrong after the PSG game - it was a show of humility that no Utd fan wouldn't have done.

I was cynical about Ole's permanent appointment from day 1, my posts back it up, and it looks increasingly likely that I was right to be.

Besides, Ole himself has flip-flopped on whether these players are a great, talented squad full of quality skillful players, or a bunch of below Utd quality scraps that need an entire squad rebuild...

Until I hear @bleedred tackling the voices within the club and the media that are changing their mind freely whenever Ole's results suit them, I'll continue to let my opinion form naturally - and if that means being won over next season by Solskjaer, then good, I'll gladly and proudly change my mind.

If not... I wonder just how fecking silly the likes of you will feel when you have to either stubbornly stand by a lost manager, or *gasp* admit that your opinion has actually changed.
 
Fluctuation0161 said:
Are players always going to want to play for United if we cant compete for trophies?
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We have no clear system or style of play. Our manager is unproven at this level. Proven players we have signed in recent years have struggled and we have not been able to improve younger players.

At the moment, I'd say the main reasons to sign for United would be money and optimism.
 
Rhyme Animal said:
Nah, get your facts straight. I myself posted one message basically conceding that I was wrong after the PSG game - it was a show of humility that no Utd fan wouldn't have done.

I was cynical about Ole's permanent appointment from day 1, my posts back it up, and it looks increasingly likely that I was right to be.

Besides, Ole himself has flip-flopped on whether these players are a great, talented squad full of quality skillful players, or a bunch of below Utd quality scraps that need an entire squad rebuild...

Until I hear @bleedred tackling the voices within the club and the media that are changing their mind freely whenever Ole's results suit them, I'll continue to let my opinion form naturally - and if that means being won over next season by Solskjaer, then good, I'll gladly and proudly change my mind.

If not... I wonder just how fecking silly the likes of you will feel when you have to either stubbornly stand by a lost manager, or *gasp* admit that your opinion has actually changed.
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You can go down swinging if you like but it doesn't change anything.
You say that you're able to show humility and say that you've been wrong, but then want it both ways and say that you haven't been shown up; which you have.
The facts are that at one point you said Ole should be given the job, and then kneejerked to Ole shouldn't have been all within a few weeks, which is laughable.
I won't feel silly if Ole doesn't work out, because I know I'll have backed him until he proves that I shouldn't, unlike yourself.
 
Dec9003 said:
You can go down swinging if you like but it doesn't change anything.
You say that you're able to show humility and say that you've been wrong, but then want it both ways and say that you haven't been shown up; which you have.
The facts are that at one point you said Ole should be given the job, and then kneejerked to Ole shouldn't have been all within a few weeks, which is laughable.
I won't feel silly if Ole doesn't work out, because I know I'll have backed him until he proves that I shouldn't, unlike yourself.
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Yeah, until you're willing to engage on our own manager 'showing himself up', 'knee-jerking' and 'flip-flopping' I'm not interested.

If Ole, Neville, Scholes etc can change opinions on our squad depending on the result, I can change my opinion in a season of great flux within our club.

Apply the same rules to everyone, and stop moving the goal-posts, I'm not going for it.
 
freeurmind said:
So your point now is that the Bundesliga is a better league? Congratulations on stating the obvious but that has absolutely feck all to do with the point I was making.
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Your point is a poor one. You cannot compare Ole winning Norweigan titles to Klopp winning German titles. You wouldn’t even hold Ole’s titles in such regard if he wasn’t United manager, lets be honest here.
 
So much dick measuring over very little going on in this thread. Football fans are fickle knee jerk and flip flop, it’s a fact of life.

I know for sure I’ve swayed a bit on Ole, it was hard not to get caught up in thing when it was going well, that’s to be expected.
 
Rhyme Animal said:
Yeah, until you're willing to engage on our own manager 'showing himself up', 'knee-jerking' and 'flip-flopping' I'm not interested.

If Ole, Neville, Scholes etc can change opinions on our squad depending on the result, I can change my opinion in a season of great flux within our club.

Apply the same rules to everyone, and stop moving the goal-posts, I'm not going for it.
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"I've always been skeptical of Ole"
Gets proven wrong
"Stop moving the goal posts"
Talks about Ole changing his opinion of the squad over the course of about five months, pretends it's the same as changing his opinion every few matches.
Like I said, go down swinging but it just makes you look really daft, I'm sat laughing as I type this.
 
Amir said:
We have no clear system or style of play. Our manager is unproven at this level. Proven players we have signed in recent years have struggled and we have not been able to improve younger players.

At the moment, I'd say the main reasons to sign for United would be money and optimism.
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Reminds me the period when City paid mercenaries like Robinho!
 
JustAGuest said:
:D
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To be fair, I can remember Ryme animal was definately among the sceptics both, before and after Ole was made permanent, although I can't remember the exact dates!
He may have got carried away a bit after the PSG match, but what united fan didn't?
 
haram said:
You’re acting like I said I want him fired. Just because he has been here four months does not mean we cannot comment on such horrendous form.
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No I'm just saying you can't judge him over 4 months. At first you could see how he wants them to play and has mentioned the lack of preseason fitness has caught up with them.
 
It is a rather difficult situation to assess. For what it is worth, I follow and compile odds for 8 major leagues and have been doing so for more than ten years. I have never in my life seen anything like Ole's first five months at United. Never seen such a strong bounce but also never saw such a drastic drop off after the bounce is over.

It is all very bizarre and I do not know what to think. Can also see why so many people did a complete U-turn regarding wanting him (or, in some cases, two U-turns).
 
Fluctuation0161 said:
Reminds me the period when City paid mercenaries like Robinho!
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Well, this is exactly where we'll have to start. Hopefully we'll build ourselves and create a team that would entice people to join for other reasons as well, like Fergie's United.

But right now, bar the odd player, it'll be about the money.
 
I feel like Ole is the wrong choice and have since his appointment, but I have no idea what goes on at boardroom level or anything business side.

Maybe it's becoming increasingly apparent its the structure of the club and not the managers fault like LvG, Mourinho or now Ole.

I'd have to say tactically Ole is not as strong though, but the DoF could help.
 
Fluctuation0161 said:
Reminds me the period when City paid mercenaries like Robinho!
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Our line-ups during the first half of that season were bizarre.

Hart; Richards, Dunne, Ben-Haim, Garrido; Kompany, Ireland, Elano; Robinho, Evans, Wright-Phillips once beat Stoke 3-0.
 
robinamicrowave said:
Our line-ups during the first half of that season were bizarre.

Hart; Richards, Dunne, Ben-Haim, Garrido; Kompany, Ireland, Elano; Robinho, Evans, Wright-Phillips once beat Stoke 3-0.
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Blasts from the past some of those names.
 
elnorte said:
Blasts from the past some of those names.
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Felt like they early days of Man City were to sink the other teams that were close by trying to buy their best players, like buying Santa Cruz which led to Blackburn really tumbling (they were already struggling) pretty sure the same happened with Benjani, but they were really odd days!
 
freeurmind said:
Quite a few. Don't project your own ignorance onto others.
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Oh wow. Someone who professes to know all about the Norwegian league. Well done.
Hope you have a strong neck to support that big head of yours.
Go on then. Tell us all about it (as if anyone is really interested).
 
TheNewEra said:
Felt like they early days of Man City were to sink the other teams that were close by trying to buy their best players, like buying Santa Cruz which led to Blackburn really tumbling (they were already struggling) pretty sure the same happened with Benjani, but they were really odd days!
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I'm not sure this is entirely true. Benjani was signed before the takeover for starters.

Blackburn failed to replace Santa Cruz but we signed him in 2009, meaning they had three years to reinvest the £17m we gave them before they were eventually relegated. It's not our fault that they spent it on (ironically) Benjani and Nikola Kalinic. They eventually replaced him with Yakubu but they were far too deep into Venky's trouble by then.
 
Buster15 said:
Oh wow. Someone who professes to know all about the Norwegian league. Well done.
Hope you have a strong neck to support that big head of yours.
Go on then. Tell us all about it (as if anyone is really interested).
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You realise football is played outside of England as well? Doesn't take much knowledge to recognise a few Norwegian teams.
 
JustAGuest said:
You realise football is played outside of England as well? Doesn't take much knowledge to recognise a few Norwegian teams.
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I have been to Norway a number of times and it is a fantastic country. Always feels clean and fresh.
The post that this relates to has nothing to do with knowing Norwegian football teams. It related to a comparison between Klopp achievements and those of Ole.
 
wolvored said:
No I'm just saying you can't judge him over 4 months. At first you could see how he wants them to play and has mentioned the lack of preseason fitness has caught up with them.
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That’s not an excuse for the last 10 games.
 
wolvored said:
Just as the first 10 games didnt mean he was a genius. Needs a season to judge him properly
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You can criticise a manager after 4 months. That’s all I am saying. Especially when the last 10 games have been as bad as they have been.
 
haram said:
You can criticise a manager after 4 months. That’s all I am saying. Especially when the last 10 games have been as bad as they have been.
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Somehow after 2.5 years it was never Jose's mistake :lol:
 
haram said:
I dont really understand what you are trying to say here.
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Keep making bs excuses when we were shit under Jose, blaming everyone but Jose, now that we have Solskjaer who didn't sign a single player or had preseason, we can criticize him. This is with all the mess that's left behind by Jose and his shit fitness regime.
 
roonster09 said:
Keep making bs excuses when we were shit under Jose, blaming everyone but Jose, now that we have Solskjaer who didn't sign a single player or had preseason, we can criticize him. This is with all the mess that's left behind by Jose and his shit fitness regime.
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Except we finished 2nd and everyone said this team could play better than they were. That was rubbish.

Like I said, none of that excuses the last 10 games.
 
haram said:
Except we finished 2nd and everyone said this team could play better than they were. That was rubbish.

Like I said, none of that excuses the last 10 games.
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He wasnt sacked when he finished 2nd, he was sacked for being shit this season.
 
haram said:
Except we finished 2nd and everyone said this team could play better than they were. That was rubbish.

Like I said, none of that excuses the last 10 games.
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Sure, you can criticize Ole. That doesn't mean your criticism isn't mostly or even entirely misplaced. Every single loss is explainable without Ole in the equation.
 
roonster09 said:
He wasnt sacked when he finished 2nd, he was sacked for being shit this season.
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After he was not backed. I already said his own confrontational behaviour is his fault. The criticism for him was made long before the summer and the start if this season anyway.

Gator Nate said:
Sure, you can criticize Ole. That doesn't mean your criticism isn't mostly or even entirely misplaced. Every single loss is explainable without Ole in the equation.
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It isn’t misplaced at all. I have not even criticised him heavily.
 
haram said:
After he was not backed. I already said his own confrontational behaviour is his fault. The criticism for him was made long before the summer and the start if this season anyway.
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He built this team in 3 summer windows. So him not getting couple of players means it wasn't his mistake for poor performance but somehow Solskjaer not signing any player means nothing and warrants criticism.

Of course it was made before the summer as the performance was shit and this is the team he built (which is something Jose fans ignore). If anything it's pathetic he survived for nearly a year after Sevilla PC.
 
roonster09 said:
He built this team in 3 summer windows. So him not getting couple of players means it wasn't his mistake for poor performance but somehow Solskjaer not signing any player means nothing and warrants criticism.

Of course it was made before the summer as the performance was shit and this is the team he built (which is something Jose fans ignore). If anything it's pathetic he survived for nearly a year after Sevilla PC.
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The last 10 games warrants criticism. I never said he should be sacked or anything.

The home form was good last season. So was the record against the top 6. We had problems in build up and transition especially away from home but we needed players to fix this. Players were not signed. People were too busy criticising to even realise the difference of what was happening away and what was happening at home.

The difference between us and City away from home last season was SIXTEEN fecking points.
 
haram said:
The last 10 games warrants criticism. I never said he should be sacked or anything.

The home form was good last season. So was the record against the top 6. We had problems in build up and transition especially away from home but we needed players to fix this. Players were not signed. People were too busy criticising to even realise the difference of what was happening away and what was happening at home.
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Of course, everyone was blind to the obvious deadwood ready to be added to the existing deadwood. Funny how people keep going about the Perisic thing when we were not even linked with this last summer. Jose himself said he was happy with the attack and asked journalists not to waste time speculating about signing attackers.

This is the guy who criticized players for not playing long balls and somehow we have to believe he wanted players to fix the transition problems.

So going by your logic, why should Solskjaer be criticized? Do we not have the same transition problems? Do we not have the same squad that Jose moaned about, after spending shit loads of money and signing almost entire first 11? So you find excuses for the shit performance under Jose even when he spent shit loads but somehow Solskjaer should be criticized when he didn't even have preseason to fix the issues or sign players.

Under Jose ManUtd was ranked 20th in distance covered, that's the root cause of all the problems. Jose and his shit methods.
 
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He has the hardest job in football.

He has an absolutely disgraceful squad, easily our worst in decades in terms of attitude and talent, and he probably has his hands tied behind his back regarding arrivals and departures. And despite all of this, the media, the club and fans alike will all turn on him within a few months of next season if we don't start like a house on fire.

It must be weird getting your absolute dream job under absolutely horrible circumstances.
 
roonster09 said:
Of course, everyone was blind to the obvious deadwood ready to be added to the existing deadwood. Funny how people keep going about the Perisic thing when we were not even linked with this last summer. Jose himself said he was happy with the attack and asked journalists not to waste time speculation about signing attackers.

This is the guy who criticized players for not playing long balls and somehow we have to believe he wanted players to fix the transition problems.

So going by your logic, why should Solskjaer be criticized? Do we not have the same transition problems? Do we not have the same squad that Jose moaned about, after spending shit loads of money and signing almost entire first 11? So you find excuses for the shit performance under Jose even when he spent shit loads but somehow Solskjaer should be criticized when he didn't even have preseason to fix the issues or sign players.

Under Jose ManUtd was ranked 20th in distance covered, that's the root cause of all the problems. Jose and his shit methods.
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Exactly. His quotes in February 2018 after Sanchez signing.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/manchester-united-transfer-latest-jose-mourinho-no-summer-signing-a8193761.html?amp
 
roonster09 said:
Of course, everyone was blind to the obvious deadwood ready to be added to the existing deadwood. Funny how people keep going about the Perisic thing when we were not even linked with this last summer. Jose himself said he was happy with the attack and asked journalists not to waste time speculation about signing attackers.

This is the guy who criticized players for not playing long balls and somehow we have to believe he wanted players to fix the transition problems.

So going by your logic, why should Solskjaer be criticized? Do we not have the same transition problems? Do we not have the same squad that Jose moaned about, after spending shit loads of money and signing almost entire first 11? So you find excuses for the shit performance under Jose even when he spent shit loads but somehow Solskjaer should be criticized when he didn't even have preseason to fix the issues or sign players.

Under Jose ManUtd was ranked 20th in distance covered, that's the root cause of all the problems. Jose and his shit methods.
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Ole deserves criticism because we have won 2 out of 10 games and we were shit in both wins while being dominated by Watford in one.

Build up and transition involves more than just signing Perisic. Do you think Jose wanted to sign a CB for a bit of banter?

The geniuses on here decided that in order to play better and become more effecient in our attacking we had to just play players like Pogba and Martial higher up. Saying all this without realising we cannot attack properly without first building and transitioning play properly. In fact Pogba was one of the most important players for this and is why we need him in deeper areas period.
 
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