We have been bad for weeks. We cannot even manage energy levels and tempo let alone play good football at the moment. That doesn’t just happen.
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We have been bad for weeks. We cannot even manage energy levels and tempo let alone play good football at the moment. That doesn’t just happen.
We still play like crap though, creating nothing after we've made those mistakes, sunday being a good example. What did Ole say to those players at half time? Because that second half was a joke in every sense.
We had energy levels and tempo against Chelsea until the mistake at the end of the first half. We showed it against Barca but they are just much better. Likewise City. We have a squad of players who really need a huge turnover regardless of manager, so overanalyzing at this point achieves nothing IMO. We just have to hope we have the transfer window we need and then we can fairly asses Ole next season.
It’s not over analysing. It’s been in our face for a long time. We beat Chelsea last season and we played better, there are no excuses.
Yup! Although pro Ole posters have not yet flip flopped, if results worsen it is only a matter of time before they too will have to change their mind, or else look even dafter in persisting with opinions that have have been proven to be wrong.
So yes some are abandoning a sinking ship, but others will have to go down with the ship, hoping against all evidence to the contrary, that the ship is not really sinking...
But realistically will such people admit they got it wrong too, and resolve to never utter another opinion about football ever again? I doubt it!
What will really be funny, is if Ole starts doing brilliantly again, and we all have to flip flop back again!
Not to be one of those tvvats who say's 'it's only a game' but I do think people take these things, too seriously sometimes! I don't know why two opposing camps representing two different opinions (for Ole or against) have to act like they hate each other!
Everton fans wanted Silva out, now they are starting to like him again. Thats football. A manager is only as good as his last few games!
If you took all my past footballing opinions, and threw them back into my face, I would come to the conclusion I came to long ago anyway which is, I know nothing about football!
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Ole won 2 titles with Molde.
Sensational.
No excuses 
And Ole won at Stamford Bridge for the first time since 2011. What's your point?
I love how unreasonable all the Mourinho backers are. United draw at home to Chelsea instead because of a De gea feck up, yet that's on Ole even though we had the chances to win and had a list minute shot cleared off the line. Couldnt make this shit up
It's like they're pissed that Mourinho got sacked (the squad is in the current state largely because of him, if you werent aware), so they just get on everyone else's ass right away to "balance the scales". Laughable. Ole has done more for this club then Mourinho could ever dream or and is a United legend. Have some fecking patience and at least let him have a transfer window and a pre season to have a clean start, not half a season (where he did well overall) and then criticize when players he doesnt want anyway cant handle what he wants to do.
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I agree. When you consider how dominant Rosenborg has been in Norwegian football, it's quite a considerable achievement.
Don't stop there, embarrassed against Sevilla, Chelsea, Spurs last season and we won at Spurs, Stamford bridge and PSG away.
We last won there in 2012 actually (3-2 in the PL). Though Ole's win there was our 4th win at Stamford Bridge since 2000, insane really.
Ah true, was scrolling through and mustve missed it. RVP game where they got 2 red cards and we still barely won. Yet Ole produces our best performance at the bridge in my memory.
Chicharito's winner in the 3-2 was also offside
. There was the 1-0 win in the CL where I thought we played well, but yeah Ole's win was the first time in a very long time where we won and we fully deserved it.Good and reasonable post. These are rare these days.
It really does not compare to winning German Bundesliga titles.
And Ole won at Stamford Bridge for the first time since 2011. What's your point?
I love how unreasonable all the Mourinho backers are. United draw at home to Chelsea instead because of a De gea feck up, yet that's on Ole even though we had the chances to win and had a list minute shot cleared off the line. Couldnt make this shit up
It's like they're pissed that Mourinho got sacked (the squad is in the current state largely because of him, if you werent aware), so they just get on everyone else's ass right away to "balance the scales". Laughable. Ole has done more for this club then Mourinho could ever dream or and is a United legend. Have some fecking patience and at least let him have a transfer window and a pre season to have a clean start, not half a season (where he did well overall) and then criticize when players he doesnt want anyway cant handle what he wants to do.
It’s not just about Chelsea. It’s a run of 10 games, 2 wins, both of which where we played garbage. Watford completely dominated. There is no excuse for that type of form. Just this season in the league we were minutes from beating Chelsea at the Bridge having been the better team. It’s not about one game, that’s not the point.
Our record against the top 6 last season was largely positive so I dont really get your point. We beat every team.
Simply by admitting you know nothing about football - you probably know ten times more than ninety percent of the people in here who are either blindly dismissive or supportive of him - as you at least acknowledge the complexity of both the sport itself and the business surrounding it. Realizing there is a larger context may not put you up there among the people who are actually knowledgeable in that department - but it sure as hell makes you a wiser man than those who are completely ignorant to it
In all honesty though these discussions are quite pointless and leading nowhere at this time - and I say that despite having had a lot of fun with them. Personally I would close these threads until December when we have a clearer view of this project because all they're achieving presently is to breed animosity.
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It's not my job to say who - that's was Woodward's job. But I can tell you that I would have come up with about 50 names before Ole; he wasn't even on the radar. They were supposed to be "chasing" a manager while Ole was caretaker manager. He was supposed to steer the ship until the end of the season while they did due diligence; I think it's pretty obvious that they didn't. That's not to say that Ole won't do a great job. I'm very excited to see who he signs in the summer.
Simply by admitting you know nothing about football - you probably know ten times more than ninety percent of the people in here who are either blindly dismissive or supportive of him - as you at least acknowledge the complexity of both the sport itself and the business surrounding it. Realizing there is a larger context may not put you up there among the people who are actually knowledgeable in that department - but it sure as hell makes you a wiser man than those who are completely ignorant to it
In all honesty though these discussions are quite pointless and leading nowhere at this time - and I say that despite having had a lot of fun with them. Personally I would close these threads until December when we have a clearer view of this project because all they're achieving presently is to breed animosity.
You quoted the wrong name.
50 other names at the point they gave him the permanent job? I don't think they had a choice after the initial spell which could not have gone any better results wise. At what point should they have pulled the trigger and started chasing someone else? The first defeat, 2nd? Even at the end of the season he is going to have outperformed Poch etc over half a season.
What a manager can do tend to be overrated. Second half Chelsea set out to sabotage the game to secure the draw and we didn't have the individual quality's to create something. Mata got tired, Rashford still injured/out of form, Pogba didn't save us. Nothing Solskjaer could really do, except sub in Martial instead of Sanchez maybe.
When Brighton decided to play anti-football and Tottenham had to wait until the 88' min for some individual quality to break them down, what chance to you think we got against Chelsea doing the same for 45 min.
Thanks mate fixed it. No clue how that could even happen though but that's what you get for slacking at work I guess
Thanks mate fixed it. No clue how that could even happen though but that's what you get for slacking at work I guess
No problem at all.
You are not going to win a pissing competition with that.
I wonder how many Norwegian teams you can mention....
FFS he been here 4 months with no players of his own, without a pre season, playing with Mourinhos shit fitness regime. At least give him as long as a season before you slag him off.
You’re acting like I said I want him fired. Just because he has been here four months does not mean we cannot comment on such horrendous form.
Let him have his first transfer window and pre-season first this summer.
After that, no more excuses.
If next season is the same clueless team (most players playing individually again) with no clear identity plus naive bs decisions makings with all the messed-up tactics and starting players, basically team is not in the right track, then we'll know he's not the right guy.
I don't expect good results of nice winning records next season, there will definitely be struggles but I do expect clear identity, top fitness, high workrate by players and competitive active rational brave decision makings (tactics, starting 11 and subs) by the coaches. Most importantly is the consistency of all those, no point only for few months. That would mean we're on the right track.
After that, no more excuses.
If next season is the same clueless team (most players playing individually again) with no clear identity plus naive bs decisions makings with all the messed-up tactics and starting players, basically team is not in the right track, then we'll know he's not the right guy.
I don't expect good results of nice winning records next season, there will definitely be struggles but I do expect clear identity, top fitness, high workrate by players and competitive active rational brave decision makings (tactics, starting 11 and subs) by the coaches. Most importantly is the consistency of all those, no point only for few months. That would mean we're on the right track.
Yet he's unconcerned with our own manager's opinion changing...
Just face it mate, he made you and a few others look a bit foolish.Yet he's unconcerned with our own manager's opinion changing...
Are players always going to want to play for United if we cant compete for trophies?
I think we were right to sack Mourinho. Probably too late. But he also inherited a weak squad when he joined with totally unsuitable players for his system (after LVG had signed possession players).And Ole won at Stamford Bridge for the first time since 2011. What's your point?
I love how unreasonable all the Mourinho backers are. United draw at home to Chelsea instead because of a De gea feck up, yet that's on Ole even though we had the chances to win and had a list minute shot cleared off the line. Couldnt make this shit up
It's like they're pissed that Mourinho got sacked (the squad is in the current state largely because of him, if you werent aware), so they just get on everyone else's ass right away to "balance the scales". Laughable. Ole has done more for this club then Mourinho could ever dream or and is a United legend. Have some fecking patience and at least let him have a transfer window and a pre season to have a clean start, not half a season (where he did well overall) and then criticize when players he doesnt want anyway cant handle what he wants to do.
We also don't know what transfer targets Mourinho had rejected by Woodward. For example Alderweireld, Perisic... 2 positions we STILL desperately need reinforcements for.
Mourinho self destructed but it was triggered by Woodward and frustrations with our club structure/ responsiveness.
He's the guy who stays sober at parties, keeps himself to himself, but gets loads of uncompromising pics.
Some twitchy arses in this thread right now.
Liverpool haven't won the league in what is it 20 odd years? Yet they have players like Salah, Mane, VVD.
Tottenham never win anything yet have a few brilliant players.
A big club like United will always attract great talents, at least in my opinion they will.
Quite a few. Don't project your own ignorance onto others.
I'm glad we didnt get Perisic anyway. He's not a right winger and on the left he wasn't at the right age, potential or type for us. It would be like a Matic signing. Stop gap for a year before he declines and the 2nd year needs replacing already. This is why you dont buy older players unless they are the final piece of the puzzle, that piece that will push you up to the next level and suit the rest. Makes no sense otherwise.
So your point now is that the Bundesliga is a better league? Congratulations on stating the obvious but that has absolutely feck all to do with the point I was making.
He went as far back as my January posting history a few hundred ago. This isn't the guy who gets into parties. He's the one hiding in the shrubs opposite the street waiting to see who's going home with who
We need posters like @bleedred to keep some of the posters reasonable. Like that one poster who said something like "sign him now" and then posts "we should have waited until the end of the season, cnuts"
I mean it's one thing to change your opinion on a manger based on recent results, but that was hilarious! Keep going @bleedred!
Well that instance is outright ridiculousWe need posters like @bleedred to keep some of the posters reasonable. Like that one poster who said something like "sign him now" and then posts "we should have waited until the end of the season, cnuts"
I mean it's one thing to change your opinion on a manger based on recent results, but that was hilarious! Keep going @bleedred!
but I still expect people to be free to evolve new perspectives when new evidence comes to light. We could even go back to November and rat everyone who flipped on Jose within 2 to 4 months. That will get the lot sweating between their asscracks.
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