@bleedred who do you think you are?!
Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion
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Just a guy who quotes posts!!!
He made a very good point about Europe League providing an oportunity to play youngsters to see their real level.
Changing an opinion is something to be called for now. You're putting yourself in a tight corner if you ends up doing the same and people will make sure to remind you of what you did here. Hope you'll take it nicely at this time.
Much the same for me. My comment at the time of his interim appointment was that I was 'underwhelmed' with Ole.
But like you I began to warm to him during the winning spell even though it clearly proved that they had stopped performing for Jose.
However, as the bounce began to flatten out and performance started to drop back my concerns have again come to the fore.
It is nevertheless right to give him some time to sign the very necessary players in the summer and to get the opportunity to vastly improve the fitness of the squad.
The nagging doubt remains; is Ole likely to make the massive improvements in order to take United one the same level as City and Liverpool.
Is he going to be as brilliant a coach as Pep, Klopp and Pochettino.
My personal favourite would have been Brendan Rogers and I don't care whether he was at Liverpool.
You're obviously very keen for people to be held to exactly what they've said during recent months, so lets do the same with Ole...
"These players are amazing", "This is an incredible squad", "These are brilliant players", "With a squad this talented, we should be winning every game", etc - so what's going on now?
Going by your own, stated distaste for anyone changing their opinion, I'm sure you must be at odds with Solskjaer yourself...
During the bounce, this was a squad showing how great it is... now, it's all on the players, with Ole's good mates attacking our squad constantly in the press and a fecking squad rebuild is needed!
"Either dogshite or best thing since sliced bread" - you said, seems pretty fitting in how our squad has been portrayed during Ole's stint - depending on his results.
I can only imagine how unhappy you are with the 'kneejerk' nature of that - and that no doubt counts against the manager you yourself are so keen to defend...?
If random football muppets (like myself) on footy forums are worth being held to their every word, it must be doubly important to you that the manager of your own club stands by every exact statement he's made since his arrival.
I am not saying anything!. I am just quoting posts!
Me too!
Maybe one guy switching opinion isn't worth the back and forth
Still not seen anyone explain what they would have done instead other than "wait until the end of the season" which doesn't mean anything.
good post. A journalist should confront Ole on those quotes.
why not post the rest of my opinions between the 3 or so months instead of selectively posting only the ones where i mention his pros in a discussion contrasting his style with Jose. The praises have obviously gotten to your head if you think what you're doing makes any sense. The first post praises his tactical flexibility ie mangers like he, zidane, Fergie use a free form style . The second was in a thread discussing the level of competence of his application because even though he is flexible like they are it doesnt necessarily put him on the level of those managers in the same way Tony Pulis and Jose are similar but different levels (hence the usage "he has to become a modern day SAF"). You obviously have the time to scour posts so do me a favour and dig up the posts I was adamant that we wait till the end of the season even when and before his appointment was announced
edit: now i've gone and let myself get pulled into an idiotic back and forth with this guy. Should have taken my own advice
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It's good entertainment to be fair.
What @bleedred has done is just pointed out the fickle mindedness of our fans. I dont think he meant anything personal when he quoted posts from a few months ago. So, instead of having a go back at him, its better if wetake a step back and analyse OGS's performances here over the last 4 months than being a kneejerk fan and switching between "Ole can replicate SAF" and "OGS not even good enough for the Championship".
Doubts over last 10 games increased and changed my mind. The board should hve been more smarter than me.
Don't. Any more encouragement and he might escalate to scouring high school yearbooks for dirt
We don't play football right now mate. Big mess.
Changed your mind to what though? Over the last 10 games you wouldn't want our closest rivals Poch, Emery or Sarri either. What should the board have done?
Great post. Can't believe the stick Ole is getting. He hasn't signed a single player yet. He knows what system and tactics he wants to play, but can't do it with the players he has at his disposal. Give him three transfer windows and then we can look forward to seeing a proper OGS team.
Watching both semis, OGS has a massive job to get us playing to level similar to that
I'm not sure he'll have that much time to put things to right. The microscope will be on him turned up to maximum magnification the day the window opens this year.
We fans need to stop acting like spoilt idiots and realise its not just going to magically get better.
This team needs 5/6 players changing before we get anywhere near the top level.
Sacking ole isn’t really going to help unless he goes bananas or shows no improvement in the football or players.
It's fun doing that but from now on he should be careful in writing his opinions because others will hit him with similar thing when he does the same (and it's a big chance he will). Also I haven't seen and proper discussion from him except just quoting other people's posters. That's poor.
This just opens an unnecessary door for more toxicity between posters. I don't think the forum needs more toxicity. It has enough.
Also, we are all aware of what we wrote previously. It will be madness to have such great start and not hail the praise over Ole as it will be madness to no get worried after the last crap run. Both are normal reactions.
After all is said and done, it’d be downright hilarious if Ole wins a trophy before Klopp manages one.
Board is just like you and me, have no clue what should have been done years ago and till now too. They are no football people.
Silly to have appointed him so quickly.
In all honesty, I don't think Ole's anywhere near Klopp in terms of managerial excellence (I'd swap Ole and Jogba and Sanchez for 3 seasons of Klopp getting us into shape / giving us an identity, in the blink of an eye) . . . but I would truly love that to happen and there's always a punchers chance in the cup comps.
Agreed on all points, which is why, I believe, we will be a 4th/5th place team, until the structure of the club is changed. An accountant should not be making footballing decisions.
If that happens, the Ole will be replaced fairly quickly, with a big name manager and signings will be made, in order to make our team more likely to win matches (rather than make us more marketable).
The performances under Ole are a serious concern, because even when we was winning the football was still very isolated with a lack of off ball movement, we look like a more expensive version of a West ham.
If you take away Pogba's goals during our winning form there's nothing to celebrate what Ole brings to the team. Everyone keeps on dancing about a high press, not to long ago Wenger adopted the exact same approach positionally and it didn't get Arsenal anywhere. Ole needs to offer more in the sense of revolutionising the team, tactically, from a coaching and philosophical perspective. I don't think Solskjaer will offer enough to the extent to bridge the top 4 gap and challenge for the league.
I think the best Ole can give us is top 4, this doesn't mean I don't support him and the staff but I can't see long term success even with a squad of his own players. This team in its current state is already the best group of individuals Ole has managed in his career.
If you take away Pogba's goals during our winning form there's nothing to celebrate what Ole brings to the team. Everyone keeps on dancing about a high press, not to long ago Wenger adopted the exact same approach positionally and it didn't get Arsenal anywhere. Ole needs to offer more in the sense of revolutionising the team, tactically, from a coaching and philosophical perspective. I don't think Solskjaer will offer enough to the extent to bridge the top 4 gap and challenge for the league.
I think the best Ole can give us is top 4, this doesn't mean I don't support him and the staff but I can't see long term success even with a squad of his own players. This team in its current state is already the best group of individuals Ole has managed in his career.
That's just where we are though it's not going to change. I'm pretty sure most boards would have done the same from our position. I've still not read anything from anyone on here or articles from people far more knowledgeable than than I am saying "we should have done x instead".
Sure for fcuk sake, we sacked Mourinho (rightly) and he won two decent (albeit not regarded major) trophies. Herr Klopp still hasn’t won a bean.
Yeah, appointing him in June would have made a massive difference...
They should have waited until the end of the year and assessed him then. He was the caretaker manager and he knew what that meant when he accepted the position. They owed him nothing. If, at the end of the season, they were satisfied with the job he had done and wanted to offer him the job fulltime, then fair enough. But there was no reason to offer him the job when they did; it's not like other teams were lining up to hire Ole and they had to act quickly before someone else scooped him up.
Klopp won a title with Dortmund.
2nd half was garbage against a team that is not even that good. An actual good team would still win the game regardless of de Gea’s error.
Assessed him at the end of the season and then what? Chased a different manager all summer? Who? (Ignoring that any 'assessment' would compare favourably to our rivals over the same period)
Was an incredibly stop start second half where we couldn't build our momentum back up after being deflated from the mistake undoing our great first half. It happens.
The amount of goals we have conceded due to individual errors have been ridiculous, and most if not all cost us games. You can't put that on Ole.
Especially when the players get deflated and heads drop, which is what has consistently happened. There's no leaders in the team that inspire, that lift the players when chips are down.
Especially when the players get deflated and heads drop, which is what has consistently happened. There's no leaders in the team that inspire, that lift the players when chips are down.
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