It's Ole's job now. He should get full support and transfer windows to build his team. The changes he made to great start. Rashford pushed out wide, weird choice at right back in big matches, breaking up what was a functional midefield 3 of Matic, Herrara and Pogba. Some things were forced at times but he did revert back afterwards.
Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion
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Ole needs to begin to identify and establish himself as the man in charge. I just get a feeling, and it is a feeling, that he may be approaching things a little too cautiously, and I worry whether he has the fire and personality to actually manage a top, top, top level squad. Pep, Klopp, Allegri, Enrique... these guys have a presence that I worry that Ole' may lack... and I can't see Michael Carrick providing that, he hardly seems to say anything at all.. to the Press, on the sidelines.. he's too quiet and appropriate. They both seem to be.
Talking about '....the Man Utd way...' etc will get you so far.. everyone knows that, but the players have clearly downed tools, and he has to sort that out, because it reflects on him to a degree. BUT.. he did not create this problem, and we need to understand and acknowledge that. And , he has seen things that clearly frustrate him, because he stated some players need a reality check. Well, get rid of them then. We can't do much worst than how we are currently playing.
He could do worst than to bring in a Rio, or a Roy Keane alongside him. We need some fire and fury in there at times, a massively respected player backed up by a knowledge and respect for the club, and a career of success. Also, especially Rio, has that interface with modern media that many young players from across the globe, will relate to.
Talking about '....the Man Utd way...' etc will get you so far.. everyone knows that, but the players have clearly downed tools, and he has to sort that out, because it reflects on him to a degree. BUT.. he did not create this problem, and we need to understand and acknowledge that. And , he has seen things that clearly frustrate him, because he stated some players need a reality check. Well, get rid of them then. We can't do much worst than how we are currently playing.
He could do worst than to bring in a Rio, or a Roy Keane alongside him. We need some fire and fury in there at times, a massively respected player backed up by a knowledge and respect for the club, and a career of success. Also, especially Rio, has that interface with modern media that many young players from across the globe, will relate to.
Probably fabricated but hope it's true. No more Mr. Nice Guy, time for some serious bollocking.
Everyone needs a bollocking, not just Martial.
I wonder what an Ole' bo**ocking is actually like.
That squad just needs people shifted out. Some bad attitudes in there, think it's a flaming night club, or youth hostel.. or University football team or something. The concept of fighting to win something isn't reflected in there. Too many air-heads.
That squad just needs people shifted out. Some bad attitudes in there, think it's a flaming night club, or youth hostel.. or University football team or something. The concept of fighting to win something isn't reflected in there. Too many air-heads.
Ahahahah Jesus H Christ.
"Anthony you're a top top player. Could you just try to show a little bit more effort mate?"
"There's no doubt about it this is Fergie's United back again. Makeshift teams to coup with injuries accompanied with thrillers and 3-2 wins at Old Trafford".
FLIP FLOP!Does anyone here think we need a more experienced coach who can look after the training, Like Quieroz was to Fergie. Ole will never be a Guardiola, A successful Ole will be more like a SAF. Two inexperienced coaches in Carrick and Mckeena in my point of view isn't helping the situation considering Phelan is not known for training ground expertise too. If Phelan gets promoted to Technical Director role, I would like them to bring on some one experienced as assistant manager who can run training and modernise our play. I would send Carrick down to manage U23s and replace Sbargia and keep Mckeena as assistant coach.
As long as he's ready & willing to use the love and appreciation of the United faithful in order to push for wholesome changes (in the space of 2-4 seasons), he'll be fine. Moyes was too overwhelmed by the job to address the glaring issue with our ageing leaders both on the pitch and in the dressing room. This eventually led to the second tier players in the squad becoming the "old guard" in the dressing room. Then we had LvG and Mourinho who were both so self-obsessed with their principles (or should i say obsessed with themselves), they actually believed they could implement them perfectly to any squad. When they realised that this was not the case, the fanbase had already lost its patience with them and they had already started to sound like the boy who cried wolf.
Ole, or whoever, doesn't have to be innovative like Klopp or Pep but he certainly has to be as ruthless as them. These two simply don't have time for underperforming players or players who are not suited to their plans. So, decide on a plan A and start working towards making it happen. Don't "wait and see" which players might prove adequate enough if given more chances. Keep moving forward because the time you will afford to the deadwood is the time you won't get back when things will start to go south. It's always the manager who gets the axe when it comes to this.
And it doesn't necessarily have to be a high-pressing style or one based on heavy possession. If he wants, he can build a low-block, counter-attacking/transition side. There are more than one ways to become successful in football. But the direction he will choose has to be a conscious one and not one that will scream that Woodward gave him the job with the instruction to make the best he can with this particular squad. People often mention recently that Klopp had a worse record than Ole in his first season with a squad that he didn't build but inherited instead. The difference is that Klopp used this time to assess the squad and then he started addressing its weaknesses. He wasn't OK with the Liverpool board handing contract extensions left, right and centre. And while he was willing to make some alterations here and there and he never deviated drastically from his main plan. The players had to adapt to the manager or be replaced, not the manager to the players.
Ole, or whoever, doesn't have to be innovative like Klopp or Pep but he certainly has to be as ruthless as them. These two simply don't have time for underperforming players or players who are not suited to their plans. So, decide on a plan A and start working towards making it happen. Don't "wait and see" which players might prove adequate enough if given more chances. Keep moving forward because the time you will afford to the deadwood is the time you won't get back when things will start to go south. It's always the manager who gets the axe when it comes to this.
And it doesn't necessarily have to be a high-pressing style or one based on heavy possession. If he wants, he can build a low-block, counter-attacking/transition side. There are more than one ways to become successful in football. But the direction he will choose has to be a conscious one and not one that will scream that Woodward gave him the job with the instruction to make the best he can with this particular squad. People often mention recently that Klopp had a worse record than Ole in his first season with a squad that he didn't build but inherited instead. The difference is that Klopp used this time to assess the squad and then he started addressing its weaknesses. He wasn't OK with the Liverpool board handing contract extensions left, right and centre. And while he was willing to make some alterations here and there and he never deviated drastically from his main plan. The players had to adapt to the manager or be replaced, not the manager to the players.
I think this is pretty spot on. I was on Stretford End on Sunday and judging by the chants/shouts from there, Ole still has support, where as the fans really has run out of patience with some of the players. Ole might not work out at all in the end, but on a positive not he has now gotten half a season with this lot and he must have gotten some insight into who deserves to be here or not.
This is just speculation on my part, but i honestly believe that it would not have mattered who took over after Jose, way too many of these players are simply not close to the level needed while others are disloyal cnuts who can feck right off. Whether it is lack of fitness and or lack of bottle or mental fortitude it is simply unacceptable to fold like a cheap suit like so many of these has done the last two months
For my part at least the only players i know i want to see in a United shirt next season is Lindelof, Shaw, Dalot, Herrera, McTominay and Rashford
To be fair there are quite a few players in this team Lukaku, Pogba, Rashford (although I have my doubts about him) and many more, who if you put them in a team that is playing with confidence, and good players around them will be top footballers.
The big problem now, is not getting rid of players (which is easier said than done) but holding onto them, as the best players head towards the door, for a club that will be competing in the champions leauge, and one of which there is not so much negativity surrounding. What will be left, and who will replace these players?
People who believe Ole is going to rebuild the team from top to bottom are dreaming, and besides even if this were to happen it would take a long time before the team got settled, by which time, modern football what it is, Ole will be long gone.
The team is in my opinion nowhere nearly as bad as present form would suggest, just as it wasn't anywhere nearly as good as the champion winning form that got Ole the job suggested it was.
The big problem now, is not getting rid of players (which is easier said than done) but holding onto them, as the best players head towards the door, for a club that will be competing in the champions leauge, and one of which there is not so much negativity surrounding. What will be left, and who will replace these players?
People who believe Ole is going to rebuild the team from top to bottom are dreaming, and besides even if this were to happen it would take a long time before the team got settled, by which time, modern football what it is, Ole will be long gone.
The team is in my opinion nowhere nearly as bad as present form would suggest, just as it wasn't anywhere nearly as good as the champion winning form that got Ole the job suggested it was.
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We have players on contracts and we can not just pick and chose who goes and who stays. Many of the names mentioned to go don't have to. So you have to make the most of what you have and given that those players/manager went on a fantastic winning run then there is potential if the fitness issues can be sorted.
Just cherry picking names out of a hat that are playing reasonably well (mainly driven by the press) and then comparing them to our players that aren't and coming to the conclusion that we just need to swap those form players for ours is what you would do when you are playing a game of football manager.
However it does not work when managing assets. Each of these players has a monetary value so common sense to get more from them. That fact they all pretty much lost form at the same time indicates the issues are not just down to the players and the one thing they all have in common is their endurance levels are far below where they need to be. So I would like to stay open minded until after the summer.
Some positions need bolstering but I don't agree with the mass clear out that some are advocating.
Sorry. Got overly emotional after another draw when the top 4 was within our grasp.
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A lot magical numbers which most of us have already pointed out here before. Our coaching staff will have their work cut for the summer.
A lot magical numbers which most of us have already pointed out here before. Our coaching staff will have their work cut for the summer.
fecking stupid cnuts. We would be 7th under anyone else and wouldn't have had a prayer of CL
Klopp focused on EL toward the end, same as Mourinho did in his first season. Playing in EL really hinder the team.
Christmas and New Year period is very deceitful due the congested schedule. Many teams would weigh up their chance to get something out of the game, and conceding early would mean they're more than damage control than trying to fight back. Unlike wealthy club, they don't have good squad depth for rotation thus struggling even more with congested schedule. They fancy their chance against opposition of their level than getting something vs big boys hitting stride. I remembered I said the same regarding Tottenham thrashing Watford like season or the season before. Watford didn't even try that game, whereas they gave other team a tough fight in different period.
Still I am not drawing conclusion, and happy to give OGS time. Just saying it's not comparable when it comes this team vs that team, this manager vs that manager without context. Klopp was known for ability to reach a height with former mid table team. OGS' ability is not proven. Nobody knows anything for certainty. People will have doubt. It's understanding people don't share the same optimism, so it's not like you can win the argument just by talk. Let time do its thing.
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I say Carrick as his number two wouldn’t be so bad. Him and McKenna gave us fans one of the best period of football since Ferguson retired, until Ole and Phelan started tinkering with what was working so well.
True. But I just feel they will just aspire to SAF'S ways and tactics. And if that doesn't work, who do they turn to? The football needs an outside influence of modern football, continental football if you like. A team of Ole, solskjaer and Mckenna doesn't fill me with the “we will topple Pep and Klopp” confidence.
It's called an evolution of thought. New information comes and changes ones perspective and previously held beliefs. Even hindsight makes one wiser. How many of us changed our opinion on LVG and Mourinho"There's no doubt about it this is Fergie's United back again. Makeshift teams to coup with injuries accompanied with thrillers and 3-2 wins at Old Trafford".
Well, we are.
I was at the game Sunday, but thought i'd just then go and watch the highlights.
We could and should have been 2 up. Lukaku missed a good chance early on, and then Bailly was literally inches wide with a header.
Instead De Gea bafflingly not only mishandles a weak shot, but doesn't properly cover his goal after.
It could/should have been a win, and then suddenly the mood isn't as low as it currently is.
We were good for first 10 mins until we scored. Then we were OK for the rest of the half. Absolutely pathetic in the 2nd half.
Could and should have won it though, as we fended Chelsea off very comfortably.
Yes, Chelsea were there for the taking. Too bad we couldn't make a single shot in the 2nd half until the added time and to be honest I am not sure we even wanted to win it. Based on our defensive performance and subs in the second half I think we were happy with a draw.
I've sat almost directly opposite the bench for nearly half the home games since Ole was appointed, and I can assure you it's very noticeable. Plenty of people have commented on it. Carrick in particular has seemed hardly involved at all recently.
Don't get what's the problem in changing mind about something after seeing some worrying things 3 months later, not to mention wasn't this post after PSG result and its euphoria ?
I have no problem changing and chopping my mind after different things appearing and proving it wrong and yes I did the same on both LVG and even Mourinho before he left. I supported LVG in a crazy way in his first season and now I'm totally against him.
That's for me x10 better than having an obvious wrong opinion and persisting on it despite it starting to get proven wrong from every perspective so that I don't face posts like this.
I'm not going to change my perspective on how the opinions should be based on the current events and not just in general whatever people like it or not.
You can be fine with you being stubborn on your opinion and refusing to change it. Don't care at all, all honestly.
Actually that proves I don't hold an agenda against anyone in the club and for how much I slaughtered them, I praised them to the moon when they deserve it.
You agree you were wrong then, so naturally you could be wrong now as well then, right?
Definitely yes. I can be wrong at any time, before, now, later. No one of us has his opinions guaranteed to be correct, right ?
Some food for thought: Ole's first 27 games as United manager, 16wins, 3 draws, 8 defeats.
Klopp's first 27 games as Liverpool manager 12 wins, 8 draws, 7 defeats.
Klopp's first 27 games as Liverpool manager 12 wins, 8 draws, 7 defeats.
Still think it's crazy to allow Solskjear to do a rebuild, he did one at Cardiff and it flopped big time and he struggled in the championship before getting the sack.
Also did any United fan actually think it was a good idea to award him the permanent role before the season ended? I detest the media for constantly banging on about it and creating a big thing of when was he going to be awarded the job on a full time basis, turning the situation into an unnecessary pressured one.
Also did any United fan actually think it was a good idea to award him the permanent role before the season ended? I detest the media for constantly banging on about it and creating a big thing of when was he going to be awarded the job on a full time basis, turning the situation into an unnecessary pressured one.
Did you even read the post I posted ? You can dig as much praising posts as you want, I know exactly what I wrote in this thread and I have no problem changing my mind on something if I were proven wrong instead of acting like a rock solid stubborn who thinks his opinions are superior to the rest, are facts and must defend them at all costs. I'm fine with myself changing opinions when new things change and again, I'm aware of everything I wrote in this and any other thread. All these just prove I have absolutely no agenda against anyone I criticize or slaughter.
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