Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion

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Like your big club sacked Poch? How did that work out for you? And how did Arsenal do when they sacked Wenger? (and even Emery, to a lesser degree)
And I'm actually not having a dig here necessarily, just showing how this "sack sack sack" mentality can easily end up with you 8th or in the European conference league. At least Solskjaer is showing an element of planning for the future, maybe he screwed up the other night but you have to take a manager as a whole in my opinion, and overall Solskjaer has been good for us.

You just named two clubs which are not elite. Try naming actual elite clubs theres a pattern.
 
rewarding mediocrity is basically our tagline these days.

Giving Jones a 5 year deal (was it 5?) is a better call than keeping Ole for another 3 years.

Since at least Jones do not stop our other defenders playing when he is injured.

Having Ole stops us trying any world class managers that could take us to the title.
 
This forum is a strange dichotomy, it's people with absurdly high expectations mixed with total pessimism..

The same fans who throw in the towel with City did the same back when Chelsea took over under Fergie, and before that with Arsenal, some fans are just negative drama queens.

The thing to keep in mind is what your expectations are, for me it's continued improvement, which next season means a real title challenge.
I think people are once again forgetting that we were expected to barely scrape top 4 this season after a very underwhelming summer of playing games with Dortmund and ending up with Diallo and Pellestri, Cavani on a free, and VDB in the last minute. Ole raised those expectations throughout the season with what he had. We were then handed a group of death in the CL and once again the pessimism kicked in, yet at one point we looked like we were going to walk it. The goal posts seemingly keep moving further as the season progresses.
 
This forum is a strange dichotomy, it's people with absurdly high expectations mixed with total pessimism..

The same fans who throw in the towel with City did the same back when Chelsea took over under Fergie, and before that with Arsenal, some fans are just negative drama queens.

The thing to keep in mind is what your expectations are, for me it's continued improvement, which next season means a real title challenge.

What constitutes a title challange for you? Because I see people say this a lot about next season. For me, it means going into the last week of the season with a chance of winning the league if the result goes our way. Not being within 4 points of whoever is first in January then falling away.
 
Bayern does have the long term approach and no need to name them twice. The other clubs you mentioned are in financial trouble and underperforming. So doing fine? Not really
How long did Nico Kovac last at Bayern?
 
I think people are once again forgetting that we were expected to barely scrape top 4 this season after a very underwhelming summer of playing games with Dortmund and ending up with Diallo and Pellestri, Cavani on a free, and VDB in the last minute. Ole raised those expectations throughout the season with what he had. We were then handed a group of death in the CL and once again the pessimism kicked in, yet at one point we looked like we were going to walk it. The goal posts seemingly keep moving further as the season progresses.
What happened after the point we looked like we were going to walk it?
 
Glazers really have to make a statement of intent. Either a world class striker or a world class RW.

A top CB as well.

A Midfielder as well.
 
We still finished bellow that 80. And without trophy.
And that (thinking about points dropped) can be said for any season during any manager. In both ways. Many points were won when we should dropped them and opposite. Best examples are our Brighton and Everton games. We should have lost but were lucky and we won 3 points. On the other hand against Everton we lost 2 points. For half of games during season you can use that logic.
Reality is that Ole is still far away from Jose's results. But "general mood" (whatever thst means) around club worth more than any trophy i guess.
We are 6 points and a peno shootout away from what the “special one” acclaimed
 
What constitutes a title challange for you? Because I see people say this a lot about next season. For me, it means going into the last week of the season with a chance of winning the league if the result goes our way. Not being within 4 points of whoever is first in January then falling away.

Yeah this season was not a title challenge (although it was an improvement). A real title challenge for me is being within touching distance at the business end, basically the same as yours.
 
Yeah this season was not a title challenge (although it was an improvement). A real title challenge for me is being within touching distance at the business end, basically the same as yours.

I think we did challenge for the title this year, but blew it in February/late January. Thus a pretty poor challenge.
 


Holy shit. Not even one or one + one and see how it goes on, no let's throw 3 fecking years contract at him. Our clowns in charge have no limits when it comes to idiotic long term contracts. We already went on few weeks ago and extended Bailly's one by 3 years, or the idiotic 4 years contract Jones got a year or two ago ? Or..or..or..

Fecking clowns.
 
Here we go, lets come up with a new excuse for Ole, its now not how many points we finish on, its how many points off to who ever is first.. keep coming up with the excuses they never end.
And I didnt say he won it in that season. But at least he won a European trophy and a domestic cup.
I didn’t defend anything. Just pointing out the merits of being accurate and honest when debating a point. I don’t think this is where we should be, but the fact is he’s improved our position since he took over. A similar season to this and I think we should part ways.
 
So because we finished closer to the leaders it now means we are better? Well maybe that team we finished behind was just better than the team we are currently trying to complete with. Which probably explains why a club to dethrone them had to literally get close to 100 points to do it.

Credibility? Your argument is literally this team is less shite because even though though their point total meant they performed worst than the current team it’s okay as the gap was closer?
You can only beat what’s in front of you. The rest I answered above I think. How you can argue 19 is closer than 12 is beyond me, though. Shocking stuff really.
 
We are 6 points and a peno shootout away from what the “special one” acclaimed
Yeah, football doesn't work like that. But it is 6 points, one shootout and one more trophy to be precise.
And when you mention the "one whos name is not allowed to say here"; he would have won yesterday's game in 90 minutes. In ugly way but he would won it
 
You can only beat what’s in front of you. The rest I answered above I think. How you can argue 19 is closer than 12 is beyond me, though. Shocking stuff really.

True and yet we couldn’t beat the Spain’s 7th best team.

I don’t know what you are trying to argue? Ole’s bang average. Anyone arguing that good luck to you.
 
Yeah, football doesn't work like that. But it is 6 points, one shootout and one more trophy to be precise.
And when you mention the "one whos name is not allowed to say here"; he would have won yesterday's game in 90 minutes. In ugly way but he would won it

Jose would have won. He ain’t losing to Emery in a final. Respect!
 
We are 6 points and a peno shootout away from what the “special one” acclaimed

Important to note mourinho won the Europa while finishing 6th. Don't mean to undermine achievement but trying to compete on all fronts is tougher
 
Not sure how that can be construed as a title challange, personally.

Well I feel if you are first or second after half the season then is a challenge.

Leicester last year did almost challenge a bit too, but Liverpool just too good and they declined like crazy near the end.

To have a good challenge you should be within 6 points of the leader with 5-6 games to go at least.
 
Well I feel if you are first or second after half the season then is a challenge.

Leicester last year did almost challenge a bit too, but Liverpool just too good and they declined like crazy near the end.

Well, we'll have to agree to disagree here. By your own admission, our "challenge" was up with 4 months of the season left to play. That's not a title challenge in my mind.
 
I don't think even Fergie got long 3-yr contracts. IIRC he had to renew each year? It wasn't really up for debate though, we were never gonna sack or release Fergie.

Anyhow, I feel Ole deserves one more year in general, but I think we might be close to seeing the end of this cycle. His performance yesterday still gives me the jitters and doesn't exactly fill me with hope for the immediate future.

The behind the scenes work has been good at least.
 
Well, we'll have to agree to disagree here. By your own admission, our "challenge" was up with 4 months of the season left to play. That's not a title challenge in my mind.

At the time when we did challenge many thought we could do it. I had hope we could win it etc. I guess you have that before the season too, but it did feel as if we had a great chance.

Particular when KDB got injured and City had some big games to come. Spurs, Liverpool, Everton, Arsenal. We had some easy teams like Sheffield, West Brom etc so I thought we could be first at the time KDB came back.
 
Yeah, i don't get the contract situation here. Take aside whether you want him gone or to remain, surely it makes sense to wait. He aint going anywhere. He's not getting poached by anyone. No disrespect to Ole, but i can't imagine many players around the world wanting reassurances that he's staying before they join (like they would with Guardiola, for instance).

If it's true, it makes zero sense. And again, it's got nothing to do with whether you want him here or not.
 
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