Paul_Scholes18
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All that matters is top 4. As long as that is secured, Glazers won't care.
Yes feels like that. Just awful standards. We are all about making money.
All that matters is top 4. As long as that is secured, Glazers won't care.
rewarding mediocrity is basically our tagline these days.Farcical but doesn't surprise me with how with who's in charge.
Like your big club sacked Poch? How did that work out for you? And how did Arsenal do when they sacked Wenger? (and even Emery, to a lesser degree)
And I'm actually not having a dig here necessarily, just showing how this "sack sack sack" mentality can easily end up with you 8th or in the European conference league. At least Solskjaer is showing an element of planning for the future, maybe he screwed up the other night but you have to take a manager as a whole in my opinion, and overall Solskjaer has been good for us.
rewarding mediocrity is basically our tagline these days.
I think people are once again forgetting that we were expected to barely scrape top 4 this season after a very underwhelming summer of playing games with Dortmund and ending up with Diallo and Pellestri, Cavani on a free, and VDB in the last minute. Ole raised those expectations throughout the season with what he had. We were then handed a group of death in the CL and once again the pessimism kicked in, yet at one point we looked like we were going to walk it. The goal posts seemingly keep moving further as the season progresses.This forum is a strange dichotomy, it's people with absurdly high expectations mixed with total pessimism..
The same fans who throw in the towel with City did the same back when Chelsea took over under Fergie, and before that with Arsenal, some fans are just negative drama queens.
The thing to keep in mind is what your expectations are, for me it's continued improvement, which next season means a real title challenge.
This forum is a strange dichotomy, it's people with absurdly high expectations mixed with total pessimism..
The same fans who throw in the towel with City did the same back when Chelsea took over under Fergie, and before that with Arsenal, some fans are just negative drama queens.
The thing to keep in mind is what your expectations are, for me it's continued improvement, which next season means a real title challenge.
How long did Nico Kovac last at Bayern?Bayern does have the long term approach and no need to name them twice. The other clubs you mentioned are in financial trouble and underperforming. So doing fine? Not really
What happened after the point we looked like we were going to walk it?I think people are once again forgetting that we were expected to barely scrape top 4 this season after a very underwhelming summer of playing games with Dortmund and ending up with Diallo and Pellestri, Cavani on a free, and VDB in the last minute. Ole raised those expectations throughout the season with what he had. We were then handed a group of death in the CL and once again the pessimism kicked in, yet at one point we looked like we were going to walk it. The goal posts seemingly keep moving further as the season progresses.
All that matters is top 4. As long as that is secured, Glazers won't care.
I agree with you both, sad times really.Yes feels like that. Just awful standards. We are all about making money.
We are 6 points and a peno shootout away from what the “special one” acclaimedWe still finished bellow that 80. And without trophy.
And that (thinking about points dropped) can be said for any season during any manager. In both ways. Many points were won when we should dropped them and opposite. Best examples are our Brighton and Everton games. We should have lost but were lucky and we won 3 points. On the other hand against Everton we lost 2 points. For half of games during season you can use that logic.
Reality is that Ole is still far away from Jose's results. But "general mood" (whatever thst means) around club worth more than any trophy i guess.
Expectations were raised, and people became disappointed/melted down when we didn'tWhat happened after the point we looked like we were going to walk it?
Ah right. Perfectly rational criticism. Not a big fan of his clothes either.
What constitutes a title challange for you? Because I see people say this a lot about next season. For me, it means going into the last week of the season with a chance of winning the league if the result goes our way. Not being within 4 points of whoever is first in January then falling away.
Yeah this season was not a title challenge (although it was an improvement). A real title challenge for me is being within touching distance at the business end, basically the same as yours.
I didn’t defend anything. Just pointing out the merits of being accurate and honest when debating a point. I don’t think this is where we should be, but the fact is he’s improved our position since he took over. A similar season to this and I think we should part ways.Here we go, lets come up with a new excuse for Ole, its now not how many points we finish on, its how many points off to who ever is first.. keep coming up with the excuses they never end.
And I didnt say he won it in that season. But at least he won a European trophy and a domestic cup.
You can only beat what’s in front of you. The rest I answered above I think. How you can argue 19 is closer than 12 is beyond me, though. Shocking stuff really.So because we finished closer to the leaders it now means we are better? Well maybe that team we finished behind was just better than the team we are currently trying to complete with. Which probably explains why a club to dethrone them had to literally get close to 100 points to do it.
Credibility? Your argument is literally this team is less shite because even though though their point total meant they performed worst than the current team it’s okay as the gap was closer?
Clever spin.Expectations were raised, and people became disappointed/melted down when we didn't
That doesn't mean there is no long term approachHow long did Nico Kovac last at Bayern?
Yeah, football doesn't work like that. But it is 6 points, one shootout and one more trophy to be precise.We are 6 points and a peno shootout away from what the “special one” acclaimed
You can only beat what’s in front of you. The rest I answered above I think. How you can argue 19 is closer than 12 is beyond me, though. Shocking stuff really.
Yeah, football doesn't work like that. But it is 6 points, one shootout and one more trophy to be precise.
And when you mention the "one whos name is not allowed to say here"; he would have won yesterday's game in 90 minutes. In ugly way but he would won it
We are 6 points and a peno shootout away from what the “special one” acclaimed
I think we did challenge for the title this year, but blew it in February/late January. Thus a pretty poor challenge.
4 signings = Tom Heaton + 2 young prospects + some injury prone free transfer
Not sure how that can be construed as a title challange, personally.
Ed clearly screwing the fans until the bitter end. Bailly, Ole. What's next Lingard renewal and Jones extension.ffs.
Well I feel if you are first or second after half the season then is a challenge.
Leicester last year did almost challenge a bit too, but Liverpool just too good and they declined like crazy near the end.
Well, we'll have to agree to disagree here. By your own admission, our "challenge" was up with 4 months of the season left to play. That's not a title challenge in my mind.
We dominated that game?Horrendous tactics absolutely dominating the game and losing the game on pens? Give your head a wobble.