Look through the goal scoring stats for those intervening years and tell me we haven’t improved compared to big names that we hired at the time such as LVG or Mourinho?
Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion
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He has the cheek to say the players didn't turn up, why didn't he make a sub earlier then.. Honestly..
Not normally one to have a go at Ole and for the large part I think he has done a good job and has us heading in the right direction. However for me he bottled it yesterday with his team selection and then not making a sub when it was clear we were out of steam and were letting the game slip away. If we’d replaced some bodies we hopefully would have been able to maintain the intensity. As it was we let them back in to it and they just grew and grew in to the game and in the end we were lucky to even get to penalties.
It was atrocious game management for me and I hope Ole has learnt from it.
Its not like Bruno, Pogba or Rashford were playing well.
It was atrocious game management for me and I hope Ole has learnt from it.
Its not like Bruno, Pogba or Rashford were playing well.
What do our goal conceding stats say about us then?
I acknowledged that the numbers were poor under the previous 3. Doesn't mean it's good enough now. Take away the Leeds and Southampton games and the numbers make for grim reading. Why is this constant need to elevate Ole by denigrating his predecessors? They weren't good enough and they're not here now, Ole has hardly set the world alight in his time either.
Are you you honestly saying you think we play attacking football?
Credible title challenge and a trophy is now minimum expectation for him to receive an extended contract. If we had won the Europa final he'd have bought himself a degree of leniency.
No title challenge and no trophy next year, I think we shake his hand, thank him for improving the squad and look for a better tactician.
No title challenge and no trophy next year, I think we shake his hand, thank him for improving the squad and look for a better tactician.
Coward. Everyone saw it last night. Failure to change a game, failure to make any subs until near the end. Disgrace
He is receiving a new contract regardless. Might as well accept that now. Top four is all that matters.
We'll see. The club holds all the cards. John Murtough would be making his life unnecessarily difficult by offering a new contract now.
Wait until January at least to see where we are in all competitions. What's he going to do, go back to Molde? No trophy no contract sounds like a good (and fair) incentive.
I disagree, but at least you can acknowledge that progress, a lot on here act like everything was rosy under Jose just to be anti Ole.
The players who he run into the ground by preferring to rotate as little as possible. Bruno and Мaguire who have saved the whole team's arse this year. The fooking cheek of it. The fecker just watched the game slip away from us. A coward with subpar in game management and quite limited general coaching abilities. Good luck persuading Sancho to join us.
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I’m saying we aren’t as defensive as you think
Well actually they aren’t bad either. Replace Lindelof with a good cb and you could see some improvement there
And we're not as attacking as you're making out. For all the plaudits Ole gets for understanding the club, he often sets us up to not concede rather than outscore.
Well for starters Bayern do have that approach, so do City, and most of the clubs you mention are broke because of lacking that approach.
Besides, progress in good feelings is still progress, but so is making us the most consistent we've been since SAF retired.
Down tools and toxic doesn’t mean it’s a big job or a bad squad. Chelsea down tools and were toxic That Conte guy again
Managed to win them a title. Against Peps City and Klopp’s Liverpool.Solskjaer got the selection wrong. The game should've indeed bee wrapped within 90 minutes with the players at our disposal and the level of the opposition but kudos to Emery, Solskjaer made his task easy
Bruno has never performed in the biggest of games for us
Do we all admit by now that Ole makes some very baffling decisions in games that do seem to cost us.
Greenwood is always first off out of the attackers regardless of performance. That's not how to manage.
Greenwood is always first off out of the attackers regardless of performance. That's not how to manage.
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Sorry I don’t agree with that at all. He has fullbacks pushing on, McTominay who is more than capable of scoring, Pogba who had a chance to score last night, then 4 attacking players in Rashford, cavani, Greenwood and Bruno.
Look, if i has my way we’d play a basic 442 with 2 wingers stretching the pitch. But football has gone in a different direction and we don’t have the players for 442.
does it mean I think he’s very defensive? No, not compared to Lvg, Mourinho or even Conte who seems to be everyone’s current flavour of tea
Last night felt like the beginning of the end for Ole Gunnar Solskjaer. A poor start next season and he'll be under enourmous pressure to keep his even though he has shown he can get a result when the pressure on his job really starts to crank up.
In OGS's two full seasons in charge, have finished 3rd and 2nd after finishing 6th in that mess of a 2018-19 season. Yes, there's no trophy for that but it's still a decent show of progress.
However, in Solskjaer's two full seasons in charge, they have also lost 4 semi finals, one quarter final, failed to make it out of a challenging but by no means impossible Champions League group and now lost a final that they should have won. That's not bad luck, that shows a team incapable of getting it right when the pressure is on.
Why is that after two years in the job, Solskjaer's United are generally much more comfortable winning the big games without the ball and hitting teams on the break? Why is that after two years, he seems to only trust maybe 14-15 players? I'm sure there are many other questions about him and his management that can be posed. The composition of his coaching staff is one.
Ole Gunnar Solskjaer has done a steady job but it is fair to wonder if United should go into a 3rd full season under him. Yes, there'll be comings and goings at United but what will happen at United that will confidence to their fans that Solskjaer will go from nearly man to the man who can deliver trophies?
In OGS's two full seasons in charge, have finished 3rd and 2nd after finishing 6th in that mess of a 2018-19 season. Yes, there's no trophy for that but it's still a decent show of progress.
However, in Solskjaer's two full seasons in charge, they have also lost 4 semi finals, one quarter final, failed to make it out of a challenging but by no means impossible Champions League group and now lost a final that they should have won. That's not bad luck, that shows a team incapable of getting it right when the pressure is on.
Why is that after two years in the job, Solskjaer's United are generally much more comfortable winning the big games without the ball and hitting teams on the break? Why is that after two years, he seems to only trust maybe 14-15 players? I'm sure there are many other questions about him and his management that can be posed. The composition of his coaching staff is one.
Ole Gunnar Solskjaer has done a steady job but it is fair to wonder if United should go into a 3rd full season under him. Yes, there'll be comings and goings at United but what will happen at United that will confidence to their fans that Solskjaer will go from nearly man to the man who can deliver trophies?
The problem with Ole is that you never feel that he can get it all together. Unbeaten away from home, great record, but then we have our home form and set piece defending. We finally reach a final only to have Ole’s questionable in game management. The theme with Ole always seems to be 1 step forward and 2 steps back. Does this season really give anyone confidence that we can be title winners again?
Down tools and toxic doesn’t mean it’s a big job or a bad squad. Chelsea down tools and were toxic That Conte guy again
And he then finished 5th and left them in desperate need of a refresh. He didn't clear up the toxicity, he just moved it slightly later.
Bringing him in would be exactly the same as when we did Mou, and we'd need Ole to come in after he leaves a mess to glue things back together again.
Shows that he’s a coward. He never takes out fernandes even though he rarely shows up when he plays like garbage.
He's conned you. Nothing he does screams attacking play. Pushing your fullbacks up does not constitute attacking play. Bear in mind in 90% of games we gave the lions share of possession. We're not converting that advantage into goals. He slightly more attacking that Jose and LvG, but the bar is so low after those two even Allardyce would look like an attacking manager.
Maybe he can improve on this with a RW but he's been here a while now and the same questions are being asked. I hope he manages to get us back to the top, playing sincilating football but evidence suggests not. My feeling is if he is to be successful it'll be a very pragmatic team that he finds success with.
He has to improve his game management. His lack of trust in our squad players in baffling. Someone should tell him we cannot have 15 first team players. Van de beek , Matic, Diallo, James, even Mata could and should have been used. With Sancho, a CDM and a another CB we will do bette runder him but then I doubt if that will also be enough to win a major trophy under him.
Look for transparency I voted to remove him last season in the poll but have since changed my mind as I do think there’s been progress.
anyway there is so much negativity this morning after 1 match it’s taken it out of me to reply so much, so I will let yous have your moan in peace
A terrible stat no matter how you spin it....
In the league there has been progress. In the cups we have stagnated or regressed.
This would kind of imply that he's reached his ceiling. This is not the same as saying he's shite or he hasn't got a clue, but that's he's taken us as far as he can. Which there's nothing wrong in admitting. He has limitations (which is fine; not everybody can be a world-class manager) and I believe it's these limitations that will prevent us from being where we need to be (i.e., winning League and Champions League titles). I think he's done a good job here, but I would personally part ways.
He bottled it. It’s as simple as that.
We all knew that throwing Hendo on meant a much, much higher chance of 1 or 2 penalties saved purely off the adrenaline of coming on to save the game. David has been in a mental rut for a whole year and his body looks retired.
He didn’t have the balls to drop David and piss off the Spanish cartel in the team. He knew if Hendo came on and didn’t win the shootout he loses the trust of the cartel due to not trusting David.
Balls. Ole showed he didn’t have them last night. It’s a shame, but these are the moments that form greatness - he’ll never make that mistake again.
We all knew that throwing Hendo on meant a much, much higher chance of 1 or 2 penalties saved purely off the adrenaline of coming on to save the game. David has been in a mental rut for a whole year and his body looks retired.
He didn’t have the balls to drop David and piss off the Spanish cartel in the team. He knew if Hendo came on and didn’t win the shootout he loses the trust of the cartel due to not trusting David.
Balls. Ole showed he didn’t have them last night. It’s a shame, but these are the moments that form greatness - he’ll never make that mistake again.
I was almost with you until this
the Spanish cartel the freaking Spanish cartel Would ole have woken up with a horse’s head in his bed with a note from the famously aggressive Juan Mata?
Facts:
1. We are making progress under Ole. It is crazy to say that we are not. We are steadily top 4, which gives is Champions League and saves from embarrassment of missing it. Wasn't a given under LvG or Jose.
2. The progress is painfully slow. It doesn't have to be so slow. Case in point: there's no reason why Chelsea should be in Champions League final instead of us. With the right manager, we should be there.
3. He does have the tendency to bottle things, which pisses off fans big time. He bottled UCL group stage this year, he now bottled the final. He's bottled semi-finals before. Our team, under him, always bottles the end of the season losing a streak of games that we have no business losing. It is a problem.
Overall: I love Ole, he is a legend. He was a legend as a player, and he has genuinely helped us to start rebuilding the team after the disaster of LvG and Jose. But he either needs to start winning something or it needs to be handed over to somebody who can take us next level, because Manchester United cannot be a permanent second. That is not what this club is about.
1. We are making progress under Ole. It is crazy to say that we are not. We are steadily top 4, which gives is Champions League and saves from embarrassment of missing it. Wasn't a given under LvG or Jose.
2. The progress is painfully slow. It doesn't have to be so slow. Case in point: there's no reason why Chelsea should be in Champions League final instead of us. With the right manager, we should be there.
3. He does have the tendency to bottle things, which pisses off fans big time. He bottled UCL group stage this year, he now bottled the final. He's bottled semi-finals before. Our team, under him, always bottles the end of the season losing a streak of games that we have no business losing. It is a problem.
Overall: I love Ole, he is a legend. He was a legend as a player, and he has genuinely helped us to start rebuilding the team after the disaster of LvG and Jose. But he either needs to start winning something or it needs to be handed over to somebody who can take us next level, because Manchester United cannot be a permanent second. That is not what this club is about.
I think we already got to that point, when we realize we got players that are capable of better if coached properly, this man management style works when you have a world class squad. Something like Zidane did with Madrid, but we are not in that point and would require a hell lot of money to be in it.
So what is the aim? Make Manchester United self sufficient? He’s removed this tidied up that. But yet we are still as far away from a title as we was when Moyes was managing. It’s all PR. All we need to do is improve the bloke making our kit selections and we’ll be the best version of Arsenal the world has ever seen.
We absolutely are not, what a load of utter nonsense. Based on points we're the closest we've been to the top since our last title win.
The aim is to win trophies, and it's quite possible that Ole isn't the man to take that next step with us. However, we've improved every season under him so far, so he's earned next season to have a real crack at the league and some proper trophies (CL, FA).
4231 is a defensive formation we should be playing 433 like every other big team.
I don't want Ole sacked but he refuses to learn from his mistakes and it's nauseating to see that.
1. Rashford and Greenwood should never play together because both are selfish af and leave Cavani hapless.
2. Rashford has Rooney levels of sh****** when he's not on form. He should learn to sub him when he's bad.
3. Technical players eventually win you football matches by playing proper football instead of relying on individual brilliance.
4. Why the feck doesn't he trust anyone apart from first 11?
1. Rashford and Greenwood should never play together because both are selfish af and leave Cavani hapless.
2. Rashford has Rooney levels of sh****** when he's not on form. He should learn to sub him when he's bad.
3. Technical players eventually win you football matches by playing proper football instead of relying on individual brilliance.
4. Why the feck doesn't he trust anyone apart from first 11?
I'm not moaning. In fact I think we share very similar opinions (except on our attacking play of course).
There has been progress, but entering the third season is it honestly for the clubs best to give him longer, or are we veering into a vanity project in the hopes of a romantic story of an ex player returning us to glory.
I don't think there's a single fan on the forum who doesn't want him to succeed, but are we really seeing greenshoots, or is he simply not shitting the bed as bad as the last 3?
If we give him 200 mill this summer and he scrapes top 4 again is that enough? When are we as a fanbase going to demand silverware?
You what? Did we eclipse 82 points?
It’s quite possible? No it’s just clear he isn’t the man and that’s the point what are we waiting for? Who’s is this man walking out of lake Minnetonka to take us to trophies. You’d think we are watching a Star Wars movie.
We could have improved with any manager with his budget spend. That’s not how it works. This isn’t your year review at work. This is a high established football club.
As I previously said, I think he's done enough to be here next season. He didn't exceed my expectations and was on par with what I expected, even if last night was a shambles.
But feck me, some of the mind numbingly tedious excuses are nauseating, and I feel some will spin it every which way to make him look better than he is.
But feck me, some of the mind numbingly tedious excuses are nauseating, and I feel some will spin it every which way to make him look better than he is.
Ole still hasn't achieved what Mourinho has though. Second with 80+ points, European Cup. Dont think he ever will either.
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