Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion

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KiD MoYeS said:
Tired team up against eleven men behind the ball for 120 minutes, with zero options off the bench. I just don't see how tonight could have been better under a different manager.

I'd rather be mediocre under a club legend than mediocre under a Zidane or Conte. But hey, different strokes... #GlazersOut
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Tired team? We had a one week rest. Most of not all of the main players didn't play against Wolves.

These are just excuses now.

There's no indication we would have been mediocre under Zidane or Conte. That's just your assumption.

I honestly can't believe we are talking about this. Both are two of the best managers in the modern game. Get a gripe.
 
KiD MoYeS said:
The right man. Onus on the owners.
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You’re partly right. Onus is indeed on the owners to show they care about winning titles and sack Ole and replace him with a manager that is more capable.

Owners who care about their clubs winning things (see Florentino and Roman) don’t put up with managers who don’t perform after a year or two. They have made enough money available to Ole to be able to create a squad that can beat a club like Villarreal. Not go for 100 mins without subs and then play for penalties from 80’ onwards.

Sadly the owners only care about being in CL or Super League and milking profits than they care about success.
 
This was a pretty spectacular failure tonight. I've yo-yo'd about the idea of Ole as manager. He is obviously not as clueless as he's made out to be, doesn't deserve the accolade of failed Cardiff manager etc. He has done OK. Though the other top teams have capitulated this season for various reasons and if they were at full strength I think we'd be lucky to get second.

Was hoping we would win and get over the line tonight and would fill next season with so much promise. But losing tonight, it is a big deal. There is no way we should be losing that final to Villareal. Most concerning was the game management as in 'what game management'? I get that he doesn't feel there's enough quality on the bench, but Villareal made 5 subs and they're hardly fecking Man City are they? It didn't seem like the very likely proposition of Villareal playing a low block and making the game tight and scrappy and being level with 60 70 minutes played had been factored in by Ole and the coaching team at all. Watching a pretty average Villareal team surge at us with fresh legs in extra time was painful. DDG last saved a penalty in 2016 yet the one sub Ole didn't get on was Henderson who saved 6 in the same period.

Ole has done a good job and he has definitely exceeded the expectations I had of him. But I feel like tonight was definitive proof that he is not going to be the person who takes us further. How many world class players will we need to give Ole a shot at decent silverware? The more obvious and ambitious thing a club should do is find a world class manager. The usual Poch haters are here vomiting on the thread, but Tottenham have basically the same team he did with Kane, in the form of his life, and where are they now? The double standards applied to Ole and him are unreal, with Ole he gets a mid season and another season and another rebuilding season. The criteria for Poch is he takes over in late January and is a failure for not delivering the league despite reaching CL semis in which they played well and winning the Coupe de France.

It doesn't have to be Poch. And it would be horrible to descend to the ridiculously mercenary level of Real Madrid. But there is a point that no European superclub would settle for this with the squad we have. No way Bayern or Real put up with this. We should have been sweetening up Nagelsmann for months and beat Bayern to him. That is what a ruthless club would do. We don't have to be as bad as Madrid but somewhere inbetween would be alright.
 
UnofficialDevil said:
Yes it is depressing, and we then we get all the excuses how much Ole loves the club, he has the United dna bla bla, as though Zidane doesnt, he was just as much a player legend for them.
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Zidane's an even bigger legend for Real than Ole is for us tbh.
 
el3mel said:
Tired team? We had a one week rest. Most of not all of the main players didn't play against Wolves.

These are just excuses now.

There's no indication we would have been mediocre under Zidane or Conte. That's just your assumption.

I honestly can't believe we are talking about this. Both are two of the best managers in the modern game. Get a gripe.
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Nah, you're wrong. We've been heavily reliant on the same eleven or twelve players for every two or three days all season. We also missed our captain and most important player. We learned nothing new tonight, people are just getting their panties in a twist. We need a centre-back, no shit could have told you that in August.
 
hobbers said:
No I'm just lamenting how badly Woodward fecked us over when he gave Ole that contract. Opportunity cost and all.
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isn’t that his best quality? Giving weak assets extended deals?

Honestly Ole and Ed wanted you to buy into this United DNA nonsense like some blind cult following. The reality is your now stuck with deadwood like Jones and a manager that continues to look like an amateur after 10 years in various jobs.

Tonight he could have made changes faster but your bench was pretty weak for a club if your stature. You need to dump Ole and Pogba and build a strong backbone of talent. You cannot rely on Bruno and individual brilliance to win you games. Anyone who is not a United fan can see Bruno singlehandedly kept Ole in a job.
 
KiD MoYeS said:
Tired team up against eleven men behind the ball for 120 minutes, with zero options off the bench. I just don't see how tonight could have been better under a different manager.

I'd rather be mediocre under a club legend than mediocre under a Zidane or Conte. But hey, different strokes... #GlazersOut
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£100m worth of attackers on the bench, signed by Ole. No options? Ole obviously just as shite in the market too.

All would be starting for the opposition too.

No options? Absolute joke. Mata would start for them.
 
KiD MoYeS said:
I don't know. I haven't been particularly impressed by what either Conte or Zidane have done as managers. I don't think many credit Zidane with Madrid's success, do they? Conte has won Serie A having spent more than the opposition and has quit now he's been asked to reel it back.
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Im nor as sure about Zidane but im quite sure Conte would a far better job than Ole with this squad. Conte knows how to manage a game, he wouldnt have not made substitutions when his opposite manager changes his team, as he knows how to react to the changes. Ole unfortunately just doesnt have the tactical nous at this level, and thats not disrespecting him in any way.
 
KiD MoYeS said:
Tired team up against eleven men behind the ball for 120 minutes, with zero options off the bench. I just don't see how tonight could have been better under a different manager.

I'd rather be mediocre under a club legend than mediocre under a Zidane or Conte. But hey, different strokes... #GlazersOut
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KiD MoYeS said:
Nah, you're wrong. We've been heavily reliant on the same eleven or twelve players for every two or three days all season. We also missed our captain and most important player. We learned nothing new tonight, people are just getting their panties in a twist. We need a centre-back, no shit could have told you that in August.
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Could have also told you in August that Ole doesn’t know how to manage a squad but I would obviously have been wasting my breath.
 
KiD MoYeS said:
Nah, you're wrong. We've been heavily reliant on the sake eleven or twelve players for every two or three days all season. We also missed our captain and most important player. We learned nothing new tonight, people are just getting their panties in a twist. We need a centre-back, no shit could have told you that in August.
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Literally the only player who played against Wolves and started today was Bailly.

The other main players you are talking about didn't play a single minute since May 18th. That's a whole week of rest.

Tired yeah.

And Maguire's absence didn't lose us the game today. Did Villarreal even attack us?
 
pocco said:
£100m worth of attackers on the bench, signed by Ole. No options? Ole obviously just as shite in the market too.

All would be starting for the opposition too.

No options? Absolute joke. Mata would start for them.
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Who would you have brought on to impact the game?

We learned nothing new tonight and honestly starting to think it may have been a blessing in disguise we lost having gauged the reaction in here. It is so obvious what is needed to progress, I could have told you back in August and nothing has changed. Up to the dirty American scum to put their hands in their pockets now.
 
He is not going win us anything because he is simply not good enough. Wishing him to win and getting him to win is different. I am despondent.
 
el3mel said:
Literally the only player who played against Wolves and started today was Bailly.

The other main players you are talking about didn't play a single minute since May 18th. That's a whole week of rest.

Tired yeah.

And Maguire's absence didn't lose us the game today. Did Villarreal even attack us?
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Bet you thought Rashford and Bruno were shite tonight yet you feel we should have broken down eleven men behind the ball for 120 minutes.
 
KiD MoYeS said:
Missed the part he had Bailly and Lindelof, neither are Ole signings, starting centre-back.
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Boohoo. 35 year old Albiol at CB. Foyth at RB. 32 year old, mediocre midfield. I can go on.

Give up with your straw man arguments. They finished 7th in the league. Lindelof would start for them. Bailly did start for them as a youngster. First World problems here. You don't need galacticos to beat Villarreal.

Azpilicueta, David Luiz and Cahill at CB for Conte. Amazing!
 
pocco said:
Boohoo. 35 year old Albiol at CB. Foyth at RB. 32 year old, mediocre midfield. I can go on.

Give up with your straw man arguments. They finished 7th in the league. Lindelof would start for them. Bailly did start for them as a youngster. First World problems here. You don't need galacticos to beat Villarreal.
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So... you're agreeing with me then? :lol:
 
KiD MoYeS said:
Bet you thought Rashford and Bruno were shite tonight yet you feel we should have broken down eleven men behind the ball for 120 minutes.
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Last I checked Ole was the one who let Rashford play the entire 120 minutes even though he was garbage? Because yeah let's not use our bench at all. Let's keep players in shit form play instead of actually trying something new.

Also I see you dodged the tired excuse part because you realized it was wrong?
 
KiD MoYeS said:
Tired team up against eleven men behind the ball for 120 minutes, with zero options off the bench. I just don't see how tonight could have been better under a different manager.

I'd rather be mediocre under a club legend than mediocre under a Zidane or Conte. But hey, different strokes... #GlazersOut
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Absolute defeatist attitude. Why even bother playing the game then? We were favorites tonight for a reason. I can't understand how one could sink so low to find any excuses for the manager and the team. The fact is tonight was a big embarrassment.
 
Smart man. Has basically told the owners what he wants and placed the responsibility with them.

He's using the uproar over them to shift them into an uneasy position where they don't want to risk more issues.

Now we'll see how much they'll want to reduce the backlash.
 
el3mel said:
Last I checked Ole was the one who let Rashford play the entire 120 minutes even though he was garbage? Because yeah let's not use our bench at all. Let's keep players in shit form play instead of actually trying something new.

Also I see you dodged the tired excuse part because you realized it was wrong?
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Nah, you could tell the team was shattered in extra time there's no debate there. You could also tell Ole didn't trust the substitutes but who could blame him? I wonder if we look back on your own forum posts on the likes of Dan James what we'd read. :lol:
 
KiD MoYeS said:
For Man Utd under the Glazers? No.
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What does that mean?

Conte just won the title at Inter ending Juventus' stranglehold. He came in and in 2 seasons ended their reign. He is a league title winning machine.

He was in the Premier League with Chelsea when everyone thought City/Us would challenge for the title in 2016-2017, he took the piss on the league and won it.

Zidane came back to Real and won La Liga with the same squad that looked awful the prior season. He got to the semi-finals of the CL and lost La Liga on the last day the next season.

The Glazers gave Ole money. They would give Conte/Zidane money too. Conte/Zidane would probably bolt at some point, but we need to remove romanticism from the equation. No manager is staying 10+ years at a club.

If we need world class players in every position to beat Villareal, that's a huge indictment on the manager + coaching staff.
 
BlueHaze said:
Absolute defeatist attitude. Why even bother playing the game then? We were favorites tonight for a reason. I can't understand how one could sink so low to find any excuses for the manager and the team. The fact is tonight was a big embarrassment.
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Hate to break it to you, but Man Utd are now very much the second team in Manchester and showing no signs of overtaking our noisy neighbours under current ownership. Supporting a club is much more than trophies won.
 
KiD MoYeS said:
Nah, you could tell the team was shattered in extra time there's no debate there. You could also tell Ole didn't trust the substitutes but who could blame him? I wonder if we look back on your own forum posts on the likes of Dan James what we'd read. :lol:
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A lot of the posts criticizing Dan James are when he starts games.

He's a decent option in ET when half of the first XI is tired.

You're acting like Villareal were subbing on Messi, Xavi and Iniesta. You have 5 subs. Use them.
 
KiD MoYeS said:
Missed the part he had Bailly and Lindelof, neither are Ole signings, starting centre-back.
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Jose won it with a defence of Darmian, Blind, Smalling and Valencia
hardly a word class back four. You guys are making too many excuses for Ole.
 
Eddy_JukeZ said:
What does that mean?

Conte just won the title at Inter ending Juventus' stranglehold. He came in and in 2 seasons ended their reign. He is a league title winning machine.

He was in the Premier League with Chelsea when everyone thought City/Us would challenge for the title in 2016-2017, he took the piss on the league and won it.

Zidane came back to Real and won La Liga with the same squad that looked awful the prior season. He got to the semi-finals of the CL and lost La Liga on the last day the next season.

The Glazers gave Ole money. They would give Conte/Zidane money too. Conte/Zidane would probably bolt at some point, but we need to remove romanticism from the equation. No manager is staying 10+ years at a club.

If we need world class players in every position to beat Villareal, that's a huge indictment on the manager + coaching staff.
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Conte just won Serie A by outspending all opposition and quitting as soon as he was informed they would need to sell.

Zidane's Real Madrid can thank Ronaldo a lot for their success, I think most Madrid fans would agree.

Neither of them know the club like Ole.
 
KiD MoYeS said:
Nah, you could tell the team was shattered in extra time there's no debate there. You could also tell Ole didn't trust the substitutes but who could blame him? I wonder if we look back on your own forum posts on the likes of Dan James what we'd read. :lol:
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I could blame him. I hate it when managers don't try anything new. No one knows the fecking future. You just do your job and what happens happens.

The team being out of gas completely in second half is on him. It has nothing to do with if they were tired for the rest of the season or not because it's not like Villarreal didn't play an entire long season like us.

He should have used the subs earlier to refresh the team and put some fresh legs after all the efforts we put into second half. That's what Villarreal did throughout the match. They don't have Messi and Ronaldo on the bench but they kept refreshing their team with new subs. Meanwhile we just run our team into ground and didn't try anything with them.

This particular point is on the manager.
 
KiD MoYeS said:
Hate to break it to you, but Man Utd are now very much the second team in Manchester and showing no signs of overtaking our noisy neighbours under current ownership. Supporting a club is much more than trophies won.
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What the hell has City got to do with us not being able to beat Villareal in a final??
 
el3mel said:
I could blame him. I hate it when managers don't try anything new. No one knows the fecking future. You just do your job and what happens happens.

The team being out of gas completely in second half is on him. It has nothing to do with if they were tired for the rest of the season or not because it's not like Villarreal didn't play an entire long season like us.

He should have used the subs earlier to refresh the team and put some fresh legs after all the efforts we put into second half. That's what Villarreal did throughout the match. They don't have Messi and Ronaldo on the bench but they kept refreshing their team with new subs. Meanwhile we just run our team into ground and didn't try anything with them.

This particular point is on the manager.
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Do you rate Dan James?
 
KiD MoYeS said:
Hate to break it to you, but Man Utd are now very much the second team in Manchester and showing no signs of overtaking our noisy neighbours under current ownership. Supporting a club is much more than trophies won.
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You do realise that if we did get proper owners like you wish they wouldn't have Ole as manager.
 
pocco said:
No you're blaming our defence, which didn't lose us the game, when theirs is so much worse that it's embarrassing to hear a fellow red even try to make that argument.
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Well our defence certainly cost us a goal against a side we knew would be very tight and give little away.

Who lost us the game then? Did Ole not bring Dan James on early enough? :lol:
 
KiD MoYeS said:
Nah, you're wrong. We've been heavily reliant on the same eleven or twelve players for every two or three days all season. We also missed our captain and most important player. We learned nothing new tonight, people are just getting their panties in a twist. We need a centre-back, no shit could have told you that in August.
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Harry Maguire is our most important player? There goes your credibility.
 
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