The excuses for him are endless. The PSG game is absolutely on him. Everyone and their dog was calling for him to take Fred off at halftime. But no, Ole knows better and we end up losing and being dumped out of the Champions League when it looked virtually impossible to fail the previous game.
Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion
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I don't want him sacked right now because there's no decent options to replace him. We missed them all.
But he's not going to improve us beyond this. He's never going to win a title for us. I don't think we'll avoid another third season catastrophe just like with Jose.
If we get another bad start next season, because he choked another cup semi/final today any mis-steps next season will pile the pressure on him. Once that third year of "the process" turns out a bust then you know it's game over.
But he's not going to improve us beyond this. He's never going to win a title for us. I don't think we'll avoid another third season catastrophe just like with Jose.
If we get another bad start next season, because he choked another cup semi/final today any mis-steps next season will pile the pressure on him. Once that third year of "the process" turns out a bust then you know it's game over.
Trophies won;
- Moyes: 1 in 10 months
- Van Gaal: 1 in 2 seasons
- Mourinho: 3 in 2 and a half seasons
- Solskjaer: 0 in 2 and a half seasons
All the previous 3 had worse teams too. Why are we keeping Ole other than the fact he is an ex player?
- Moyes: 1 in 10 months
- Van Gaal: 1 in 2 seasons
- Mourinho: 3 in 2 and a half seasons
- Solskjaer: 0 in 2 and a half seasons
All the previous 3 had worse teams too. Why are we keeping Ole other than the fact he is an ex player?
Conte
Zidane
Ten Hag
Rodgers
Allegri
I mean take your pick. Who do you like? I’m confident unless his name is Pep or Klopp we can get him.
We didn't get dumped out of the CL because of that one game
Same squad with a Pep/Klopp/Conte managing, they win tonight.
Conte play shit football but he effective, knows how to manage a game and squad. As much as we all loved Ole as a player he couldnt do what the aforementioned managers can.
Yes we need better players but we definitely should be able to win the Europa League with what we got. Sorry Ole, yes the future is important to build for but you still have to achieve things in the present
There does come a time, especially in one off games, where you can’t just pin it all on “need more signings”
Community Shield a trophy to be compared to league titles and european cups? Oh dear.
The right man. Onus on the owners.
agreed with a lot he has to say
What did Moyes win?
Is this the same SAF that had Cleverly and Welbeck in a championship winning team?
I don't know who next, but tonight I arrived at my destination with Ole. I kinda always knew (or should that be suspected), but in life you give room to be proved wrong. Now I know for sure. We ain't going nowhere with him. The sooner the heirarchy realise this, the better.
We will always 'do well' with Ole. And sadly, that might be enough for the powers that be. But you see that next level? Dominating and wining things again? Not going to happen with him in charge.
Of course he mis managed. The fred incident was unanimously seen as a feck up waiting to happen, and pointed to terrible in game management.
The Leicester debacle I don't buy, we've played Thursday to Sunday with minimal rotation often up to that point, and after that point. He refuses to rotate when needed (Sociedad, Roma) and then rotates too much when there's no need.
The Community Shield is the equivalent of the super cup in other countries. The league champions play the cup champions. It's a very respectable trophy to win.
Why isn't that the case here? Because we use the word community instead of super?
The idea that Moyes had a worse team is just plain insanity, and counting the fecking Community Shield as a trophy is almost as insane.
No chance Ole gets sacked as long as he gets CL football. I can see things turning very sour for him next season. As soon as we get dumped out of cups have a poor run the fans will turn on him.
If we start the season badly and Conte or Allegri are still available they might be decent short term options I guess.
It's one game without real value. It's not a friendly but I don't think it's a proper trophy either. Even domestic cups are becoming more and more irrelevant so super cup/community shield is even less important to anyone.
Bayern Munich just paid north of €20m to make their desired manager available.
There can't be more than 10 managers in the world that are unattainable for United.
oh. you’re into writing fanfiction. cool.
anyway, this thread is about the bum managing United at the moment.
The difference being, with this team we’d have qualified from our CL group, beaten Leicester in the cup, wouldnt have lost to Sheffield at home and most likely would have been less points off from City
Not ideal but I’m fed up of the word progress and process...
I’d take them too. He’ll be gone by Christmas. His free paper his burning fast.
It's grasping at straws trying to force a poor argument.
I really don’t agree. Players get early yellow cards all the time and most of them manage it through the entire game without getting sent off.
And I also don’t agree about Leicester not having a huge advantage. I knew the moment the draw was made and Leicester were knocked out of Europa that we were only going to win one game (either Milan away or Leicester away, especially if we needed to get a result against Milan in the 2nd leg which we did in the end).
I don’t think he’ll ever get a better chance at winning a trophy. We were head and shoulders above every team in this competition. Winning it was the bare minimum. At some point we’ll have to decide if doing an ok job is good enough.
Anyone that posts Craig fecking Burley to support their point needs to get a new point.
Zidane resigned for finishing second with Real by 2 points and not doing better in the CL. Would probably have been pushed if he hadn’t.
Can you imagine what would have happened if Real had failed to qualify from their CL group, losing out to a team like Leipzig. Then went to the Europa League to reach the final against a mid table English team like Wolves. Then not only lose it, but basically play for penalties from about 75’ on.
Zidane would have committed sepuku. And if not Florentino would have him hang, drawn and quartered. Yet here at United, a team with a comparable budget and reputation to Real, we’ll call it progress. And we’ll let the manager who is seemingly scared of making subs and who went 100 mins in a final without making subs, to have a go at it again next season. As if he seems to be learning anything.
Depressing.
Can you imagine what would have happened if Real had failed to qualify from their CL group, losing out to a team like Leipzig. Then went to the Europa League to reach the final against a mid table English team like Wolves. Then not only lose it, but basically play for penalties from about 75’ on.
Zidane would have committed sepuku. And if not Florentino would have him hang, drawn and quartered. Yet here at United, a team with a comparable budget and reputation to Real, we’ll call it progress. And we’ll let the manager who is seemingly scared of making subs and who went 100 mins in a final without making subs, to have a go at it again next season. As if he seems to be learning anything.
Depressing.
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Not just that but the match was becoming chaotic and he did nothing to put a stop to it. He didn’t act and they scored.
We're also not a club known for having a revolving door manager policy
I know half this list is presented in jest but not one of these managers would have this squad performaning any better.
Conte and Zidane resigned today.
People congratulate second, but it honestly is not any better than third or fourth if you don't put in a title challenge. In the end, you get entered into the Champions League with nothing else to show.
As soon as you get knocked out the Champions League the next season, the previous season's top four is made redundant. What does it leave you? Nothing without winning trophies alongside that position.
I wonder whether people would say there was progress if Liverpool didn't drop off from last season. Hypothetically, if we played the same, and finished third, would people still see progress or is it based on position? A position that has been opened up by a team dropping about 30 points on their last haul.
I'm not saying he has done an awful job, but I don't see the enormous improvement others do. Despite having two and a half seasons at the club, and having the biggest net spend in the league during that time, we have ended trophyless again.
It is difficult to see when Rodgers has won the FA Cup with a bit less time and far fewer resources, whilst Tuchel may even win the Champions League within his first six months. I mean Tuchel has already reached two finals with no transfer window.
The rate of our improvement does not seem to be matching up to a Leicester or Chelsea at this time. Despite being in a great position to open a gap on these teams (Leicester sitting in twelth when Rogers took over; Chelsea with a transfer ban and Lampard), we haven't really taken advantage of our headstart in any meaningful way.
Our improvement during Solskjaer's comes to 8 points. That is it: two more wins and two more draws in a single season is all that time has bought.
As soon as you get knocked out the Champions League the next season, the previous season's top four is made redundant. What does it leave you? Nothing without winning trophies alongside that position.
I wonder whether people would say there was progress if Liverpool didn't drop off from last season. Hypothetically, if we played the same, and finished third, would people still see progress or is it based on position? A position that has been opened up by a team dropping about 30 points on their last haul.
I'm not saying he has done an awful job, but I don't see the enormous improvement others do. Despite having two and a half seasons at the club, and having the biggest net spend in the league during that time, we have ended trophyless again.
It is difficult to see when Rodgers has won the FA Cup with a bit less time and far fewer resources, whilst Tuchel may even win the Champions League within his first six months. I mean Tuchel has already reached two finals with no transfer window.
The rate of our improvement does not seem to be matching up to a Leicester or Chelsea at this time. Despite being in a great position to open a gap on these teams (Leicester sitting in twelth when Rogers took over; Chelsea with a transfer ban and Lampard), we haven't really taken advantage of our headstart in any meaningful way.
Our improvement during Solskjaer's comes to 8 points. That is it: two more wins and two more draws in a single season is all that time has bought.
Conte has won 5 titles in 7 seasons but he wouldn’t have the team performing better than Ole. Okay pal, ok.
100% of what he said was true.
Urgh, the more I think about the game, the more I'm just so... disappointed with him.
The approach to the last 15 minutes and ET was just so... Risk averse, it was genuinely pathetic. He talks about the United way a lot, but where was that tonight? We literally threw away a third of this game and that is an absolute disgrace. It reminded me of David Moyes playing for pens vs. Sunderland in the League Cup... And that's not something anyone should be happy to be compared too.
It'll take a while for him to wash the stench of this one off him in my eyes.
The approach to the last 15 minutes and ET was just so... Risk averse, it was genuinely pathetic. He talks about the United way a lot, but where was that tonight? We literally threw away a third of this game and that is an absolute disgrace. It reminded me of David Moyes playing for pens vs. Sunderland in the League Cup... And that's not something anyone should be happy to be compared too.
It'll take a while for him to wash the stench of this one off him in my eyes.
So Zidane 3 times champions league winner and conté won't have this team playing better?
Honestly some of you guys are embarrassing yourselves. I love Ole as much as the next united fan but use your logic.
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