Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion

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KiD MoYeS said:
Conte just won Serie A by outspending all opposition and quitting as soon as he was informed they would need to sell.

Zidane's Real Madrid can thank Ronaldo a lot for their success, I think most Madrid fans would agree.

Neither of them know the club like Ole.
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Zidane won the league last season without Ronaldo.

If anything the second Real Madrid stent proves that Zidane is a quality manager who can get a lot from any group of player.

I repeat, the current Madrid squad is much worse than us and still Zidane, won the league and challenged for the next till the last week and reached CL semis.

What top players Madrid have now? Benzema, Kroos, Modric, Ramos, Courtois, anyone else? We are talking about 5 top players at best and many of them are on their last legs. The rest of the squad is average as feck.

Zidane was the only reason this Madrid squad kept on being competitive last two years.
 
Mickeza said:
No. He needs more than two though to compete with one of the greatest managers in history bankrolled by a fecking state.
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Villareal? You must be joking! We could not even beat them. He may not have won the PL but surely should not get beat by Villareal with the squad we have.
 
KiD MoYeS said:
Who would you have brought on to impact the game?

We learned nothing new tonight and honestly starting to think it may have been a blessing in disguise we lost having gauged the reaction in here. It is so obvious what is needed to progress, I could have told you back in August and nothing has changed. Up to the dirty American scum to put their hands in their pockets now.
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£40m Diallo?

£40m Van de Beek?

£15m James?

Better than what they had. We had options, let's not lie. They'd all start for them, even Mata would. Just because our starters are even better, that makes it more of a calamity on our part.
 
UnofficialDevil said:
How about winning a game against the shite yellow submarine filled with old crap players first. Can't even do that forget about competing Pep.
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Dunno. Klopp and Conte both lost European finals to inferior Spanish sides though. Almost like anything can happen in a one off game. But oh no - Conte would have us winning the league with this squad with pretty patterns. Delusional.
 
UnofficialDevil said:
You do realise that if we did get proper owners like you wish they wouldn't have Ole as manager.
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I agree with this but the situation we're in dictates that we have fecking shit owners and there is little point in sacking manager after manager, particularly when there is very few top managers available, if any, that would guarantee success.

This is where we're at. We can gamble again on someone that will only be here a couple years or stick with a club legend that has improved season on season.
 
KiD MoYeS said:
Well our defence certainly cost us a goal against a side we knew would be very tight and give little away.

Who lost us the game then? Did Ole not bring Dan James on early enough? :lol:
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He signed him. He signed VDB. He signed Amad. All to the tune of £100m. Is Ole crap at signing players?

Their goal was better than ours, which was scrappy and lucky in many ways. Our attack and lack of quality coaching cost us. A better manager wins this game with this exact set of players, it's not even questionable.

2 shots on target in 2 hours was it? There's your answer.
 
KiD MoYeS said:
Well our defence certainly cost us a goal against a side we knew would be very tight and give little away.

Who lost us the game then? Did Ole not bring Dan James on early enough? :lol:
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Another garbage argument. You make subs to try to win the game in that situation. This hypothetical nonsense doesn’t work in real life.
 
KiD MoYeS said:
Conte just won Serie A by outspending all opposition and quitting as soon as he was informed they would need to sell.

Zidane's Real Madrid can thank Ronaldo a lot for their success, I think most Madrid fans would agree.

Neither of them know the club like Ole.
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We've outspent a lot of clubs too and not won a trophy, so that argument doesn't fly.

Conte came in when Inter were 4th and 21 points behind Juventus. In 2 seasons, they won the title by 12 points. I like how you conveniently ignored Conte's 1st season at Chelsea.

Zidane won La Liga without Ronaldo, so that argument is invalid. And no, not most of their fans would agree. A lot of their fans are sad he's resigning.

He's not the only Real Madrid manager that had Ronaldo.

Who the hell cares about how Ole knows the club? Giggs/Scholes know the club better than Ole. Let's hire them next.
 
pocco said:
£40m Diallo?

£40m Van de Beek?

£15m James?

Better than what they had. We had options, let's not lie. They'd all start for them, even Mata would. Just because our starters are even better, that makes it more of a calamity on our part.
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Those options further underline my point.
 
Mickeza said:
Dunno. Klopp and Conte both lost European finals to inferior Spanish sides though. Almost like anything can happen in a one off game. But oh no - Conte would have us winning the league with this squad with pretty patterns. Delusional.
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It's not really comparable though is it. Klopp recovered from that and won champions league and the epl in the forthcoming seasons.

Ole hasn't won any trophy in 8 years and he was competing in a far less competitive league for the majority of it
 
UDontMessWith24 said:
Another garbage argument. You make subs to try to win the game in that situation. This hypothetical nonsense doesn’t work in real life.
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I agree. I thought we won the CL Final in 1999 with two subs? Didn't the two subs score in that Final?
 
Mickeza said:
Dunno. Klopp and Conte both lost European finals to inferior Spanish sides though. Almost like anything can happen in a one off game. But oh no - Conte would have us winning the league with this squad with pretty patterns. Delusional.
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That Sevilla side was much better than this Villarreal side, and Klopp had more on his resume than Ole does now. Different level of delusional.
 
KiD MoYeS said:
Do you rate Dan James?
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I would literally have put Amad himself and not just Daniel James instead of Rashford today.

I would have also put Fred in second half.

This complete lack of trust in our bench is just bad mentality imo. You have options, and your main player is having a pretty shit game. Just bloody do your job and try some new things. It doesn't mean that your subs will always win you the game. It just meant that you did your damn job and what happens next, happen.

If your team is completely out of gas after exhausting 2nd half and your opposition are doing subs to freshen themselves, you have to put on fresh legs to keep on going.

Again, Villarreal doesn't have world beaters on the bench either. They still used what they had. Use yours.
 
UDontMessWith24 said:
Another garbage argument. You make subs to try to win the game in that situation. This hypothetical nonsense doesn’t work in real life.
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Then why has nobody a response. People are listing players that have done next to f*ck all this season as viable options off the bench. Just shows the level of the squad Ole is working with. He has done such a clean up job none of you realise. Such is the social media age you all want instant impact which just isn't possible under shit ownership. This will take time.
 
KiD MoYeS said:
Those options further underline my point.
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They underline feck all. You are speaking as if you need Messi or Ronaldo to beat Villareal. Literally none of your points make any sense. Talking about not having enough options on the bench to beat Villareal just underlines high grade delusion.
 
el3mel said:
I would literally have put Amad himself and not just Daniel James instead of Rashford today.

I would have also put Fred in second half.

This complete lack of trust in our bench is just bad mentality imo. You have options, and your main player is having a pretty shit game. Just bloody do your job and try some new things. It doesn't mean that your subs will always win you the game. It just meant that you did your damn job and what happens next, happen.

If your team is completely out of gas after exhausting 2nd half and your opposition are doing subs to freshen themselves, you have to put on fresh legs to keep on going.

Again, Villarreal doesn't have world beaters on the bench either. They still used what they had. Use yours.
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Just like 1999 CL Final eh? And the changes in Moscow for the shoot out?
 
Foxbatt said:
I agree. I thought we won the CL Final in 1999 with two subs? Didn't the two subs score in that Final?
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Fergie was almost proactive to a fault when he needed to dig out a result. Who was Macheda before he came on against Villa
 
pocco said:
How? Either way, doesn't look good on Ole.
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We have worked continuously with a core group of eleven or twelve players all season. Read the Dan James thread. Read the Amad thread. Read the van de Beek thread. Refresh your memory on their performance this season.
 
KiD MoYeS said:
We have worked continuously with a core group of eleven or twelve players all season. Read the Dan James thread. Read the Amad thread. Read the van de Beek thread. Refresh your memory on their performance this season.
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So Ole refreshed the club by getting rid of some deadwood and bringing some more in to replace them.....
 
KiD MoYeS said:
Shit takes time. I guess I'm just more realistic than a lot of you.
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You're the one complaining about our squad as if we're up against Madrid's Galacticos or Pep's Barcelona.

We played Villareal. They were 7th in La Liga.
 
pocco said:
You've got your head buried in the sand. If we had a world class CB we'd be able to beat 7th placed Villarreal. Absolutely laughable. You're failing to grasp pretty simple problems with everything you're saying.
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Hate to break it to you, but Man Utd's issues are far from 'pretty simple'. Social media has you all wanting immediate impact.
 
KiD MoYeS said:
Then why has nobody a response. People are listing players that have done next to f*ck all this season as viable options off the bench. Just shows the level of the squad Ole is working with. He has done such a clean up job none of you realise. Such is the social media age you all want instant impact which just isn't possible under shit ownership. This will take time.
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How have the owners lost us this game? Better squad. Better bench. Better manager apparently. Where did it go wrong in your eyes? Because he couldn't spend another £150m on a defence that conceded 1 shot on goal? You're just wrong. Very, very wrong.
 
KiD MoYeS said:
We have worked continuously with a core group of eleven or twelve players all season. Read the Dan James thread. Read the Amad thread. Read the van de Beek thread. Refresh your memory on their performance this season.
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That is because he doesn't know how to coach players and get the best out of them. Didn't he buy James and DVB?
 
The man needs backing in this window. Top money for a CB and a CDM. If he still cant win trophies, sack him. The signings we need will be able to fit in any manager's system if Ole's time runs out.
 
Womp said:
It's not really comparable though is it. Klopp recovered from that and won champions league and the epl in the forthcoming seasons.

Ole hasn't won any trophy in 8 years and he was competing in a far less competitive league for the majority of it
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How many seasons has he managed and how many seasons has he failed when realistically he could have won a trophy? Oddly enough I don’t hold not winning a trophy at Cardiff against him. And I don’t get your klopp argument - I can’t mention klopp losing a Europa league final because he then went on and won the title...that’s precisely my point. We have no idea how Ole recovers from this. It was a one off game against a very well organised defence. Let’s not lose our fecking minds over it.
 
KiD MoYeS said:
Shit takes time. I guess I'm just more realistic than a lot of you.
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Yes we need another 5 years and another £200m to beat Villareal. Insane amount of delusion going on here. I came in to the thread and saw you talking about not having a good enough bench to beat Villareal gave me a real good laugh man.
 
He really needed that win, didn't he? He'd start next August different, confident manager, after a very solid season. Now he's going to be labeled serial loser and quite rightly so.
 
Eddy_JukeZ said:
You're the one complaining about our squad as if we're up against Madrid's Galacticos or Pep's Barcelona.

We played Villareal. They were 7th in La Liga.
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A good side to be fair. You're mad if you think otherwise. Yes, we should have won but it's a final and it's not that simple. Sacking the manager is not the solution. We'll just be back to square one.
 
BlueHaze said:
Yes we need another 5 years and another £200m to beat Villareal. Insane amount of delusion going on here. I came in to the thread and saw you talking about not having a good enough bench to beat Villareal gave me a real good laugh man.
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It's infuriating to see the logic some try to apply. We were solid favourites and lost. There's no excuse. We've been resting players since Leeds on and off to be prepared and we played as shite as ever.
 
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