Maybe they don't ignore the progress but they are not willing to jump on a, in their opinion, hypetrain where everything good is somehow connected to the manager and everything bad is completely separated from him. It is all relative.I'm trying to get to the crux of the issue, to determine the benchmark because I think there are huge contradictions across what our fans seemingly ignore as progress under Ole and pick out as major positives in opposition managers.
Ole didn't have to do it in his first three month as well. He took a team and released them somehow to play great football for quite some time. Then he became the manager and then started to recruit. Personally I agree on your list of disadvantages, but I don't think, they are Ole-specific.The team Ole took over also needed a TOTAL rebuilding job, one of the biggest of any team in the PL in recent memory, plenty of overpaid shite players (thanks Mourinho) to get rid off and a lot of players we had to recruit and get it right first time in order to see any of the on field improvements we've seen. The latter being something Tuchel has not had to do in his first three months.
Any manager would have had to deal with these. If we would have got Poch, do you think, we would still play Fellaini and Young? Probably not, right...? We would still have tried to get rid of the deadwood. Would still have tried to find a formula to get as much out the players, bonding them together, instill good moral and chemistry, try to get good players in the transfer windows.
So if the problem isn't Ole specific, all we can do is respect and admire the way, Ole actually approached the issues and succeeded (because we objectively know he did). What we cannot/shouldn't do is to imply that another manager wouldn't possible also found ways to approach the issue. Hypothetically even better ways? Of course it is speculative - but is exactly the same amount of speculative as saying "there is no way somebody else would have succeeded just as much". There is no chance in proving one of these standpoints, yet you could get ridiculed on here for having the first one.
This might seem like nitpicking, but I think, it is a central root of nowadays Ole-In-Out-Battle. Even though it is fought as if the "Outers" simply dismiss that Ole is doing a good to great job, this doesn't seem to be the stance of many "Outers". From what I see in the relevant threads, they mostly agree, that he is doing a great job and that he exceeds expectations.
The actual conflict is that some "Outers" think/feel that another manager might have done an even better job (in some aspects) while the "In'ers" seemingly not even want to think that thought. At least, thats how I feel it.
And the discussion between the user Mainaldo and justsomebloke earlier today indicated exactly that:
" We are here but there is absolutely nothing that says if we didn’t just hire Conte we would be lifting a Premier League title like Inter now following his methods on how he seena rebuild "
" So basically if we had Tuchel and they had Ole with the same current resources. They would not only be in a FA Cup and Champs league final they would probably also be lifting the league. As obviously he would be outperforming Tuchel’s management team. "
We are talking about football here, having a squad of 30 players and a management team. There is an infinite number of possible explanation for every detail. Some more likely than others, most of them highly subjective from a fan standpoint. Its great to discuss the extent, likelihood or magnitude of some of these factors (Pogbas injury, Brunos form, weakness at set-pieces etc) without the omnipresent possibility of getting lambasted as soon as someone brings up Ole and his possible influences. I get it, some around here are traumatized from the negativity But you can make the step out of the darkness. Ignore the small minority that genuinely wants Ole gone. Its the internet after all. This fight cannot be won by fighting it.
The two matches that actually meant something this season Pep came out on top, didn't he? City progressed in the cup and on Matchday 12 when it was 8. against 9. in the table and both teams didn't want to lose while City being the slightly better of two relatively dull teams. We won a match when they were 10(?) points clear, feeling so comfortable, that Pep tried to have a go at us while knowing, he could burn his fingers doing it and therefor adapted in the two other fixtures...Am I totally overwhelmed that Tuchel has beaten the two Madrid teams? No, not particularly. Both are pretty ordinary by their own standards (at this time) and Chelsea have some very good players, I'm more impressed with his win over City, but that's something Ole has done multiple times ironically.
This sounds like bashing Ole, it isn't - it is just adding a perspective. I really enjoyed this season, to be honest, it felt so short, I cannot believe it is almost over. And it had some great games and great results, can't wait for the next season to begin. And this is undeniably due to Ole doing what he does better than his predecessors. But at the end of the day "better than predecessors" isn't equal to "best possible".