Infuriating seen him smile at the end, if you just walked in after missing the game you'd have thought we'd battered them.
Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion
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What did Martial do against City? Sulk? Martial has done feck all under Ole. In fact, he's stopped caring since he signed a wage increase. I don't blame Ole for not trusting him. And yes, MCTominay made us better. he was able to add more intensity to our tired midfield and held up the play better. Martial couldn't have done anything better than that. Peopke are looking for a useless point to beat Ole. It doesn't flies!
Sanchez is probably the only player who has been worse.... how he still makes the squad is beyond me
The majority of us know how this ends but the club needlessly put itself in this position and we have to put a brave face on it for about half of next season before it becomes unbearable. Par for the course, really. If Ole hadn’t already been given the job, no one would be left calling for it to happen now.
It was all about the fairytale of the prodigal son returning. The fairytale wasn’t to be and now it’s all about a manager who doesn’t have much else going for him at this level.
It was all about the fairytale of the prodigal son returning. The fairytale wasn’t to be and now it’s all about a manager who doesn’t have much else going for him at this level.
that's not what relegation form means. Of course it is understood that a team can drop points against any team, and with different scorelines, but relegation form is used to describe a long series of bad results, i.e 7 losses in 9 games.
He's a top keeper going through a spell ?
He's holding the club to ransom over a new contract and is asking to be the highest paid keeper in the history of the game.
He's been in terrible form the majority of this season, clearly the off-field issues are transitioning onto the pitch with his shambolic performances.
What does it say to the likes of Henderson / Romero if they cannot get into the team irrespective if the no1 has been poor, What example is that setting ?
This is a football club not an orchestration of sentimentality towards popular players. If an outfield player loses form they are reduced to the bench, why should this rule be any different for goalkeeper ?
I am not insinuating that De Gea should leave, however it's illogical to consider reducing him to the bench. These stupid decisions Ole creates will bite him if he's not careful.
If De Gea wants to go this summer, how stupid will Ole look standing behind his bad performances by not dropping him ? He would have squandered top 4 for nothing.
I for one am glad he's gone. Did nothing but spout toxic nonsense. The odd fair post doesn't change that for me.
Isn't Pogba a no 10 as acclaimed by some people? Didn't Pogba say he likes to play as a no 10? So, what's wrong in Ole deploying Pogba in his supposed best role? Or was he that asked Pogba to slip when the team was about to counter? Incredulous.
I've said very little about my thoughts about Ole, I was taking issue with your assertion that Ole has 'already proven himself a better manager than Sarri'. And I'm still confused in that regard...
If Pogba is off to Madrid we can not blame him.
Of course one transfer window is not enough, even with Pep we would need at least two.
We are not the richest club anymore.
Ole has the know how on rebuilding but the questions are:
- will the club back him
- will players wanr to join us
Haha I hear you. What experience did Pep or Zidane have? They inherited world class players. Ole wants to play high tempo football but the players aren't fit enough and he also needs some new players for his purpose
I think any failure to beat Huddersfield and/or Cardiff would give the board real justification to consider their options and do what seemed the unthinkable. Both those sides, as well as Fulham have now played all the other teams in the top 6 and lost both home and away. You need to do the bare minimum to beat those sides. Ole should surely be able to set the team up with a minimum degree of competence to achieve those six points, but after that I don't know.
I posted this in the post match thread but it belongs here too. We didn't have a shot after the 52nd minute apart from Rojo's header in injury time. Think about that for a minute: in a game that was almost certainly a must win, we went 40 minutes without a single shot whilst the match was tied. That's abysmal by the standard of anyone and it was another example of how our football just lacks the basics, which is quite damning of our management and coaching setup. There's no structure to our play, no consistency in selection. Any players would struggle to shine currently. Ole has to take the brunt of the blame for that.
You cannot compound one error in appointment with another error in failing to dismiss once incompetence has been evidenced. Being an emergency caretaker manager to give the players a lift demands a completely different skill set than being the permanent long term manager of a club, especially a club who relies on their manager to provide their footballing direction. What does Solskjaer want from his team? I genuinely do not know, but the more evidence we get, the less inclined I am to say answer positively.
The only question that needs to be asked is whether Solskjaer is the manager who we want to invest in for the next few years? This is a big summer with the expected outgoings and we are only going to make things worse, if we fail to invest due to a lack of confidence in the manager or if we panic at the first sign of trouble next season after already committing to one man's vision. Remember we do not currently have a Director of Football, or anyone else, who is responsible for the squad longer term. Is Ole Gunnar Solskjaer the man to take United forward? Is he the right man to build the next great United team that can first compete for and then ultimately win the league title? If the answer to that is no, we do not believe he is capable of ultimately achieving that, then he should be dismissed at the end of the season. That might sound harsh. That might sound cruel. That might even sound embarrassing, to u-turn already after only appointing him a few months ago, but we cannot compound one error with another.
If Mourinho got the maximum out of the players last season with the 2nd place and 80+ points, before conspiring in his own downfall with the unabating torrent of negativity, Solskjaer is currently getting the minimum out of them. That has to be a real cause for concern, even with the greatest respect for what Ole achieved for the club, both as a player and then as a caretaker manager.
I posted this in the post match thread but it belongs here too. We didn't have a shot after the 52nd minute apart from Rojo's header in injury time. Think about that for a minute: in a game that was almost certainly a must win, we went 40 minutes without a single shot whilst the match was tied. That's abysmal by the standard of anyone and it was another example of how our football just lacks the basics, which is quite damning of our management and coaching setup. There's no structure to our play, no consistency in selection. Any players would struggle to shine currently. Ole has to take the brunt of the blame for that.
You cannot compound one error in appointment with another error in failing to dismiss once incompetence has been evidenced. Being an emergency caretaker manager to give the players a lift demands a completely different skill set than being the permanent long term manager of a club, especially a club who relies on their manager to provide their footballing direction. What does Solskjaer want from his team? I genuinely do not know, but the more evidence we get, the less inclined I am to say answer positively.
The only question that needs to be asked is whether Solskjaer is the manager who we want to invest in for the next few years? This is a big summer with the expected outgoings and we are only going to make things worse, if we fail to invest due to a lack of confidence in the manager or if we panic at the first sign of trouble next season after already committing to one man's vision. Remember we do not currently have a Director of Football, or anyone else, who is responsible for the squad longer term. Is Ole Gunnar Solskjaer the man to take United forward? Is he the right man to build the next great United team that can first compete for and then ultimately win the league title? If the answer to that is no, we do not believe he is capable of ultimately achieving that, then he should be dismissed at the end of the season. That might sound harsh. That might sound cruel. That might even sound embarrassing, to u-turn already after only appointing him a few months ago, but we cannot compound one error with another.
If Mourinho got the maximum out of the players last season with the 2nd place and 80+ points, before conspiring in his own downfall with the unabating torrent of negativity, Solskjaer is currently getting the minimum out of them. That has to be a real cause for concern, even with the greatest respect for what Ole achieved for the club, both as a player and then as a caretaker manager.
Well then the onus is on us fans to use our brains a little bit and take fixtures into account before talking about relegation.
Sadly I think you've nailed it here. But I sincerely hope I'm wrong.
Not fit enough? People make it sound all of our players have only started playing football in December. That 2nd half was more of a “what the hell do I do different to score” dilemma. Chelsea adapted to how we played in the first half, yet we still implement the same tactics despite it not working and being found out. Fitness was NOT an issue in this game whatsoever. Managers are much more tactically aware these days, and Ole needs to learn quickly
I don't really disagree with you. However, with Dave making a mistake every game and visibly low on confidence, some time out of the firing line would only serve him well.
Shit got real in here.
Whether he's the right man or the wrong one, we're right back into the 'He needs to be given loads of time' part of the discussion already. And we know how that's worked out for the last three managers. What's also apparent is that, by and large, he's going to be stuck with a large number of the same players who have now let down successive managers and will be judged if he can't make them more than what they so patently are. Impossible situation, really.
He ain't going anywhere anytime soon so people stressing about his tactical acumen are just going to have to strap in and wait and see what next season brings. Bottom line is that the squad isn't good enough. If OGS fails there at least needs to be solid foundations in place for whoever comes next. Summer 2019 is crucial. This is where a competent DOF should be stepping in, so that the throw shit at the wall approach of recent seasons doesn't happen again.
The thing about having a club legend as manager is that even if things go badly wrong next season there's going to be a large cohort of fans who'll blame the players and sing Ole's at the Wheel while everything falls down around them. And that suits the Glazers and Woodward just fine.
The thing about having a club legend as manager is that even if things go badly wrong next season there's going to be a large cohort of fans who'll blame the players and sing Ole's at the Wheel while everything falls down around them. And that suits the Glazers and Woodward just fine.
Do we trust him to spend £200mil wisely?
The shit fans is the exact reason United doesn't hire progressive manager though. The idealism buble that Fergie created makes us believe everyone will come good if given time. Not that I completely disagree but when you keep doing same stuff over and expect different result, that's just pure naivety.
Time for club & its fanbase to admit United's model is outdated and start addressing problems.
This has nothing to do with Ole BTW. Our strategy is gambling on him being good at this point. He may or may not but board's incompetent, that's been proven, once thing goes wrong they won't be able to help him.
Ain't this the truth!
In this case, he has had time to work with them and identify the problems, so he and the board will have no excuses if they cannot sort out the squad in the summer.
Anyway, I think either due to his own problems or the squad problems, he won't be here post next season.
this doesn't even make sense. regardless of fixture list we should not be having runs like this. this is our worst run of form since 1962. there's no excusing it.
sometimes a spade is a spade.
We’ve found our level really, playing Chelsea we looked about even. Ole got tactics right and we matched them. We’re a 4th or 5th team atm.
Good post. I certainly agree with a lot of the points but I do think you are being too harsh on Ole and lacks a little bit of perspective in regards to our previous situation. I mean, we do have an idea of what Ole want from his team and that is being reflected from our earlier performances. We can easily assume that our current struggles are not due to Ole picking the wrong players or setting the team up in a way that reflects what he wants. It is easy to see that the players have the same issues they had under Mourinho. I mean, it is pretty obvious looking at it. People who think Ole has set his team up similarly to Mourinho and have negative tactics that makes us underperform shows ignorance in its purest form. To lay the blame on Ole doesn't make sense, even from a critical perspective. So that I disagree with. Now, if he is the right man to take us forward we don't know, and I especially agree with your point about committing to our manager, we do have to do it. If we regret appointing Ole, we should change him right now. If we believe in him for various reasons, we have to see his vision through. The good thing about taking that risk is that Ole is a United man and know what the fans want to see. People really just have to know that now if you know anything about him, but I guess people are so clouded and confused it makes it hard.
Agree entirely with this.
It's not about 'turning on Ole' (never wanted him as manager, but anyway), it's about wanting what's best for the club, and being able to see the glaringly obvious trajectory that this ridiculous decision will take, and is already taking.
The club should act now - he'll get a decent pay off, and will always be a United legend, but cmon, lets get real, this is a huge job, for a proper manager to tackle.
The Glazer's are in charge of the club not the fans, Mourinho still had a massive percentage of support in his last games at home.
If Ole is failing he will receive the boot, the Glazer's have never and I repeat, have never, respected the club's traditions. If they cannot respect it from a hierarchical perspective why the hell would they give two toss about a club legend, they are nothing but corporate businessmen.
Ole has inherited an even worse situation than Moyes LVG or Jose did
A large proportion of the squad are toxic , 2/3 are simply not good enough and we haven’t made a successful signing that improved the team since Fergie left .
Sanchez has proven to be the worst signing in the history of the club swiftly followed by Pogba , Martial and Lukaku and Fred , only Herrera and potentially Lindelof have shown to be anything like a success ( and Herrera is on his way out ! ).
None of this is Ole’s fault we could have a knee jerk and sack him but what would we gain we have tried an old master we have tried the special one , we have tried the chosen one , now we must stand by an honest man with integrity who wants to do things the United way .
He need support and time he is our best chance of getting it right but it may get even worse before it gets better
Tbf, I agree with you - one of my main bug bears is the fact that every time a new manager comes in, we have to go through the same cycle of giving every one of them a chance, which they inevitably balls up - but it's not realistic to solve all of our issues in one summer. I genuinely think the job is almost impossible under the current ownership and the way the club is run. In truth, I can see us going down the same road as last summer and ending up with mediocre, compromise options like Fred.
What are you basing this on?
I think the fear that Ole's the one to worry about on that front, given the amount that's been spent on a squad of our current quality, is misplaced.
To me that’s the exact reason I wanted LVG and Jose sacked mid season. We get someone in, assess the squad and plan for the summer.
Like I said, they have no excuse now. If he doesn’t clear out the deadwood and get us playing better first half of next season, then he is toast.
Also, I would wish the fans show the same amount of frustration at Ed, they do at our managers. It’s high time, he got the house in order.
Rashford still stinking up the joint and another game in which De Gea dropped an absolute clanger
Safe to say all that ruthlessness talk from Ole was just that, all talk
Safe to say all that ruthlessness talk from Ole was just that, all talk
I would agree with most of what you say, but the bolded part is (very) debatable for me.
not sure what you are on about there
we had two defensively minded players already on the pitch in the form of Matic and Herrera so we could play them deep with Pogba as a 10
we needed to win the game so I'm questioning why he didn't go for it and bring on Martial for Mata
by bringing on McTominay it was a bit too conservative
we needed to gamble and sticking with that diamond did us no favours as we didn't make Kepa do much of note in the second half
I worry we'll only work on our fitness levels in the pre-season and a lot of the same problems will still persist next season.
We are really poor lately. We've gone completely downhill and our general play at the moment is no better(arguably worse) than what Jose served up.
Unfortunately, we all know how this ends.
Moyes 2.0.
We are really poor lately. We've gone completely downhill and our general play at the moment is no better(arguably worse) than what Jose served up.
Unfortunately, we all know how this ends.
Moyes 2.0.
Wow! A manager with a CV that wouldn't get him a job in League 1 is our best chance of getting it right? How blinkered is that?
United legend - yes he is, but a good manager - nothing to suggest he is at all. People need to forget about the romantic side of appointing a former player to bail us out of the shite.
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