Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion

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Eddy_JukeZ said:
I worry we'll only work on our fitness levels in the pre-season and a lot of the same problems will still persist next season.

We are really poor lately. We've gone completely downhill and our general play at the moment is no better(arguably worse) than what Jose served up.

Unfortunately, we all know how this ends.

Moyes 2.0.
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There were successful managers, and still are, before the buzzwords high press, rock n roll football, tiki taka and gen gen pressing were invented.

Not every manager needs an identity to be successful. Adapting to the players you currently have is what makes a good manager.
 
Eddy_JukeZ said:
I worry we'll only work on our fitness levels in the pre-season and a lot of the same problems will still persist next season.

We are really poor lately. We've gone completely downhill and our general play at the moment is no better(arguably worse) than what Jose served up.

Unfortunately, we all know how this ends.

Moyes 2.0.
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It depends on the signings on the summer, but we desperately need a player who can beat a fullback 1v1. It’s so easy for teams to just sit back with a narrow defence and ask our useless fullbacks to cross.
 
crossy1686 said:
There were successful managers, and still are, before the buzzwords high press, rock n roll football, tiki taka and gen gen pressing were invented.

Not every manager needs an identity to be successful. Adapting to the players you currently have is what makes a good manager.
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They don't, but football is changing.

And even agreeing with your point, I don't see Ole being the right man for us. I just don't see any positives from him lately.
 
FootyGirl88 said:
Do we trust him to spend £200mil wisely?
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I really wish we had a DoF to take this burden off managers (obviously with their input) and to properly plan out our buys for the future.

Our full-backs aren't good enough for a top team (a major, major primary problem). Our wingers are non-existent and we don't have a genuine top striker in the squad.

Doesn't matter whether it's Ole or someone else - this squad built by Woodward/Mourinho is terrible.
 
fallengt said:
The shit fans is the exact reason United doesn't hire progressive manager though. The idealism buble that Fergie created makes us believe everyone will come good if given time. Not that I completely disagree but when you keep doing same stuff over and expect different result, that's just pure naivety.
Time for club & its fanbase to admit United's model is outdated and start addressing problems.

This has nothing to do with Ole BTW. Our strategy is gambling on him being good at this point. He may or may not but board's incompetent, that's been proven, once thing goes wrong they won't be able to help him.
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Funny thing is, these fans really put the cart before the horse.

We gave Fergie 27 years because he was successful; he wasn't successful because of the fact that we gave him time.
 
One with this thread does prove.

All the pundits who say with confidence 'The fans will never turn on Ole' are talking total nonsense. No one is safe in modern football and if we get off to a poor start the lot will go up and Ole will be under serious pressure before the first international break.

I do genuinely worry that this could result in basically a Wenger- in/out like civil war in the United fan base and we'll have yet another shocking season.
 
At the end of the day, there arent many alternatives right now are there? Pochettino wouldn't come to us without CL football.

Even if OGS doesn't work, there'll likely be plenty more candidates this time next year.
 
Ok, seriously. We have two clans ( pro Ole and against Ole) here who want the same. Best for United. We who are "enemies" of the club now and don't think that Ole is good, said many many times why he is not good. So, can somebody tell me, why do you think that he is good choice and why do you think that he is good manager in general? Based on what? I don't get it. Yes, he had great start but except that ;
1) his Cv is bad
2) his results are bad
3) we are playing the same if not worse like we did under Mourinho

So lets put "support manager" and "give him time" arguments aside and tell me, why do you have faith that we should stick with him?
 
Andycoleno9 said:
Ok, seriously. We have two clans ( pro Ole and against Ole) here who want the same. Best for United. We who are "enemies" of the club now and don't think that Ole is good, said many many times why he is not good. So, can somebody tell me, why do you think that he is good choice and why do you think that he is good manager in general? Based on what? I don't get it. Yes, he had great start but except that ;
1) his Cv is bad
2) his results are bad
3) we are playing the same if not worse like we did under Mourinho

So lets put "support manager" and "give him time" arguments aside and tell me, why do you have faith that we should stick with him?
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Dont think we have two clans, nor we have clans in general.

I mean in theory you and i can share similar views when it comes to some issues and not when it comes to other. Wouldnt say its a clan.
 
If what they're saying is true in the Martial thread then I pity any manager having to work with some of these players.

He's been appointed now and needs a transfer window or two before we can really judge.
 
buckooo1978 said:
not sure what you are on about there

we had two defensively minded players already on the pitch in the form of Matic and Herrera so we could play them deep with Pogba as a 10

we needed to win the game so I'm questioning why he didn't go for it and bring on Martial for Mata

by bringing on McTominay it was a bit too conservative

we needed to gamble and sticking with that diamond did us no favours as we didn't make Kepa do much of note in the second half
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Funny enough, Pogba shouldn't have played in a diamond midfield but at the tip of the diamond because a diamond midfield comprises two energetic midfielders in front of a no 6. Pogba doesn't look like one. The point is MCTominay did well and even contributed to our attacking play hence all these baseless points amount to nothing in the end.
 
Renegade said:
Would people have been happy with Steve Bruce?
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I got flamed for mentioning it at the time but if the club wanted a United legend who knew the club inside and out with PL experience then Steve Bruce would have been my choice. Purely in a caretaker role till the end of the season of course with option to review subject to results. He’s battle hardened and wouldn’t put up with any crap form the prima donna players. Oh and he’d sort that crap defence out too.
 
This is the most I've feared for the club in my lifetime anyway. Fergie had his blips but rebuilt team after team for us.

He doesn't have the CV, know how, experience or most likely the ability to attract quality players. I'm not talking about the cliched big names, I'm on about even young talented players. His record at Cardiff and now this massive dip in form at United suggests he possibly is an extremely poor manager? He's saying all the right things, but I'm not sure he will have the ability to act on those statements.

We've Woodward, a man with no real football knowledge. Phelan with no previous experience going into a Technical Director role and Ole a questionable managerial CV.

If supporters are worried, its fully understandable.
 
Kaglish10 said:
Funny enough, Pogba shouldn't have played in a diamond midfield but at the tip of the diamond because a diamond midfield comprises two energetic midfielders in front of a no 6. Pogba doesn't look like one. The point is MCTominay did well and even contributed to our attacking play hence all these baseless points amount to nothing in the end.
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McTominay did well but we disnt create much at all

think in terms of goal threat Martial would have been the better option

hence why I questioned the sub
 
Andycoleno9 said:
Ok, seriously. We have two clans ( pro Ole and against Ole) here who want the same. Best for United. We who are "enemies" of the club now and don't think that Ole is good, said many many times why he is not good. So, can somebody tell me, why do you think that he is good choice and why do you think that he is good manager in general? Based on what? I don't get it. Yes, he had great start but except that ;
1) his Cv is bad
2) his results are bad
3) we are playing the same if not worse like we did under Mourinho

So lets put "support manager" and "give him time" arguments aside and tell me, why do you have faith that we should stick with him?
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You can't say he is a good or bad choice yet. He had a good spell as caretaker. Now as permanent manager it has gotten tricky for him. He is working with players he has inherited. Their is plenty of ability in the squad but a serious issue with attitude. He now knows in the round what he has inherited in terms of the playing staff. That is a good place to start for Ole. He should have by now worked out who he wishes to work with, who he can move on and a good idea of who he wants to bring in in terms of either personnel or positions that need filling. If Woodward is a proper chairman he will have given Ole a figure in terms of spending. By giving him the position on a permanent basis the board are stating that they trust him to spend their money. Whether he spends it wisely remains to be seen. His movement of players in and out this summer is most important. Get it right and he can start to turn the United ship around. Get it wrong and its lifeboat time.
It will be intriguing to see how the summer goes. Looking in from the outside you just wonder where does he start. Its a massive job. His best player, in theory, Pogba is stinking the place up. His midfield lacks creativity. His best holding midfielders are either leaving on a free or past it. All his striking options have question marks over them. His goalkeeper's confidence is shot to pieces. His left back looks like he was held captive in Greggs and force fed pies. He needs a centre back and right back. He needs more depth in quality beyond his first 11.

I think the wages Sanchez is on is causing mayhem. Outside his wages he looks a busted flush. He will be impossible to move on too. Ole if you turns this around you will have earned your annual salary!
 
Andycoleno9 said:
Ok, seriously. We have two clans ( pro Ole and against Ole) here who want the same. Best for United. We who are "enemies" of the club now and don't think that Ole is good, said many many times why he is not good. So, can somebody tell me, why do you think that he is good choice and why do you think that he is good manager in general? Based on what? I don't get it. Yes, he had great start but except that ;
1) his Cv is bad
2) his results are bad
3) we are playing the same if not worse like we did under Mourinho

So lets put "support manager" and "give him time" arguments aside and tell me, why do you have faith that we should stick with him?
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Good post. People are allowed to question him without betraying the club.
 
What the feck does being a legend of the club have to do with his ability to manage here? It means feck all. He was a legend as a player, not a manager
 
Andycoleno9 said:
Ok, seriously. We have two clans ( pro Ole and against Ole) here who want the same. Best for United. We who are "enemies" of the club now and don't think that Ole is good, said many many times why he is not good. So, can somebody tell me, why do you think that he is good choice and why do you think that he is good manager in general? Based on what? I don't get it. Yes, he had great start but except that ;
1) his Cv is bad
2) his results are bad
3) we are playing the same if not worse like we did under Mourinho

So lets put "support manager" and "give him time" arguments aside and tell me, why do you have faith that we should stick with him?
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The fact no one has answered your question tells you everything.
 
I hope he plays some of the younger players now at least, we have nothing to play for anymore. It would give the fans the chance to see something different at least.
 
Andycoleno9 said:
He knows United.
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The kit man knows United, would you give him the manager’s job?

Ole’s a nice guy who says the right things. He’s getting leeway by the fans because he was a former player. That will only last so long.

The worrying thing for me is the lack of chances created in every game since PSG. We test a keeper maybe once or twice and that’s it. And he’s meant to have a more attacking style than Mourinho.
 
Womp said:
What the feck does being a legend of the club have to do with his ability to manage here? It means feck all. He was a legend as a player, not a manager
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It's sentimental bollocks and completely irrelevant.

The only thing that matters is whether or not he has the skillset to do the job. We won't really know the answer to that until about this time next year.
 
Ban said:
Who would you play instead exactly?
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If he was really ruthless or had balls he wouldn't have had Sanchez on the bench but one of the younger lads
 
Josep Dowling said:
The kit man knows United, would you give him the manager’s job?

Ole’s a nice guy who says the right things. He’s getting leeway by the fans because he was a former player. That will only last so long.

The worrying thing for me is the lack of chances created in every game since PSG. We test a keeper maybe once or twice and that’s it. And he’s meant to have a more attacking style than Mourinho.
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Even the PSG performance wasn't good.

It was a fluke. Very similar to Chelsea's wins over Barcelona and Bayern in 2012.

We showed great resilience and attitude, but that's it.
 
Keefy18 said:
This is the most I've feared for the club in my lifetime anyway. Fergie had his blips but rebuilt team after team for us.

He doesn't have the CV, know how, experience or most likely the ability to attract quality players. I'm not talking about the cliched big names, I'm on about even young talented players. His record at Cardiff and now this massive dip in form at United suggests he possibly is an extremely poor manager? He's saying all the right things, but I'm not sure he will have the ability to act on those statements.

We've Woodward, a man with no real football knowledge. Phelan with no previous experience going into a Technical Director role and Ole a questionable managerial CV.

If supporters are worried, its fully understandable.
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He did quite well with Molde by all accounts. They topped their Europa league group in 2015 ahead of Ajax and Celtic. That's impressive for a Norweigan club. If you judge his season as a whole and not just focusing on the last few weeks he's done pretty well.

The squad clearly didn't have the legs to maintain the great start but there's no reason why they wont once he's changed a few players and got a proper preseason into them.

Also, Manchester United will always be able to attract good young players. It's a huge club.

The hysteria on here is helping nobody.
 
Andycoleno9 said:
Ok, seriously. We have two clans ( pro Ole and against Ole) here who want the same. Best for United. We who are "enemies" of the club now and don't think that Ole is good, said many many times why he is not good. So, can somebody tell me, why do you think that he is good choice and why do you think that he is good manager in general? Based on what? I don't get it. Yes, he had great start but except that ;
1) his Cv is bad
2) his results are bad
3) we are playing the same if not worse like we did under Mourinho

So lets put "support manager" and "give him time" arguments aside and tell me, why do you have faith that we should stick with him?
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The truth is, nobody knows. The club was in a bind. They knew Jose had to go and were desperate to get someone in to steady the ship. They probably turned to Fergie who suggested Ole as a stop-gap to buy time. Fergie knew Ole's potential as a manager and thought, with a bit of guidance from him, he might stop the rot. That's what happened but the club didn't use the time to make a concerted effort to sound out other potential candidates. That makes it twice that United have appointed a manager on the say-so of Fergie.

Did the Glazers hire top football consultants to determine the right candidate? Did they put out feelers to men like Pochettino, Allegri, Conte, and whomever else? Did the club take a long hard look and determine the infrastructure needed an upgrade and set plans in motion to do that? I don't know, but I can guess.

With Ole, it seems we're trying to recreate the past. Trips to the Cliff, Fergie in the dressing room, the return of Mick Phelan. That can all be seen as retrograde not progressive.

There's some truth to the saying that you can never go back. Ask Liverpool. As it stands, for me, Ole may be an inspired choice and he may be the man to carry us forward. That's based on hope not expectation. This doesn't really answer your question though does it?
 
Irwin99 said:
If what they're saying is true in the Martial thread then I pity any manager having to work with some of these players.

He's been appointed now and needs a transfer window or two before we can really judge.
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What's been said?
 
nore1975 said:
You can't say he is a good or bad choice yet. He had a good spell as caretaker. Now as permanent manager it has gotten tricky for him. He is working with players he has inherited. Their is plenty of ability in the squad but a serious issue with attitude. He now knows in the round what he has inherited in terms of the playing staff. That is a good place to start for Ole. He should have by now worked out who he wishes to work with, who he can move on and a good idea of who he wants to bring in in terms of either personnel or positions that need filling. If Woodward is a proper chairman he will have given Ole a figure in terms of spending. By giving him the position on a permanent basis the board are stating that they trust him to spend their money. Whether he spends it wisely remains to be seen. His movement of players in and out this summer is most important. Get it right and he can start to turn the United ship around. Get it wrong and its lifeboat time.
It will be intriguing to see how the summer goes. Looking in from the outside you just wonder where does he start. Its a massive job. His best player, in theory, Pogba is stinking the place up. His midfield lacks creativity. His best holding midfielders are either leaving on a free or past it. All his striking options have question marks over them. His goalkeeper's confidence is shot to pieces. His left back looks like he was held captive in Greggs and force fed pies. He needs a centre back and right back. He needs more depth in quality beyond his first 11.

I think the wages Sanchez is on is causing mayhem. Outside his wages he looks a busted flush. He will be impossible to move on too. Ole if you turns this around you will have earned your annual salary!
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Liverpool fan speaking most sense here.
 
It's not the manager. It's the club structure. Which is a function of who owns it. Why is this so hard to understand?
 
Random but would it be complete madness to let him go at the end of the season?
 
Catt said:
What's been said?
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There's now a video of Martial 'warming up' in pre match. Unless there's information we don't know (possible injury) it really doesn't look good for his attitude.
 
Andycoleno9 said:
Ok, seriously. We have two clans ( pro Ole and against Ole) here who want the same. Best for United. We who are "enemies" of the club now and don't think that Ole is good, said many many times why he is not good. So, can somebody tell me, why do you think that he is good choice and why do you think that he is good manager in general? Based on what? I don't get it. Yes, he had great start but except that ;1) his Cv is bad
2) his results are bad
3) we are playing the same if not worse like we did under Mourinho

So lets put "support manager" and "give him time" arguments aside and tell me, why do you have faith that we should stick with him?
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;1) his Cv is bad. Bad at Cardiff, good at Molde. 50% strike rate is fine for his first couple of jobs. Cardiff was a mess of a club.
2) his results are bad. In the last couple of months. In the previous couple of months they were sensational. It works out as decent from Dec - April.
3) we are playing the same if not worse like we did under Mourinho Right now yes. Before the injury pileup we were playing better football than Jose managed. The spate of muscle injuries would suggest fitness is a major issue for the squad and at least partially explain why they couldn't maintain it.

I really don't understand why you want to dismiss him without a chance to fix the problems he's inherited. Considering we will be in the EL next season who else would we even get?
 
Andycoleno9 said:
Ok, seriously. We have two clans ( pro Ole and against Ole) here who want the same. Best for United. We who are "enemies" of the club now and don't think that Ole is good, said many many times why he is not good. So, can somebody tell me, why do you think that he is good choice and why do you think that he is good manager in general? Based on what? I don't get it. Yes, he had great start but except that ;
1) his Cv is bad
2) his results are bad
3) we are playing the same if not worse like we did under Mourinho

So lets put "support manager" and "give him time" arguments aside and tell me, why do you have faith that we should stick with him?
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I don't believe Ole will be the man to deliver league titles to United so in many ways that should be enough to sack him now however I do believe that unlike LVG and Mourinho (who I think has been and will continue to be proved right about the quality and the individuals in our squad) Ole will target the right players and lay the right foundations for the next man to take over.

In others words Mourinho I think will be proved right about the likes of Martial and Pogba however his choice of players to replace them with was not and this is where I think providing Ole gets the right backing will take us forward
 
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