Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

Good job we did not fire Fergie after fans got impatient with him then. In the internet era he would be getting death threats from the group on here after two years in the job, and would probably actually be murdered after 3 or 4.

After two years in the job he'd taken over a team placed 21st and taken them to 2nd with just 5 defeats in 40 league games in his first full season so.....

Ole, LVG and Mourinho haven't had deaths threats after 2 years despite nothing like that record so cool strawman bro.

 

[Holocene]

Good job we did not fire Fergie after fans got impatient with him then. In the internet era he would be getting death threats from the group on here after two years in the job, and would probably actually be murdered after 89-90.

Who on here is giving Ole death threats? Feel free to quote the posters. Such a strawman argument.

You really think Ole is comparable to Fergie?

 

[Idxomer]

Oh, look another mindless comparison with Fergie's start at United.

If you look at Ole and believe all this guy needs is more time, I've got a bridge to sell you.

 

[Foxbatt]

Good job we did not fire Fergie after fans got impatient with him then. In the internet era he would be getting death threats from the group on here after his second season, and would probably actually be murdered after 89-90. I don't think anyone on here would even forgive him after 5 titles.

Fergie had credit to his name. He won the Scottish League when Scottish football was good. He had won the European Cup Winners Cup with unfancied Aberdeen by beating Real Madrid and Bayern. Klopp didn't win the CL yet we asked him too before he came to Liverpool. It's disingenuous to compare Ole to Fergie as he has not won anything significant nor has he done anything significant as a manager.

 

[Sarni]

After two years in the job he'd taken over a team placed 21st and taken them to 2nd with just 5 defeats in his 40 league games so.....

Ole, LVG and Mourinho haven't had deaths threats after 2 years despite nothing like that record so cool strawman bro.

Nice spin. We never finished 21st, we were there after 8 or 9 games of the season (which is nothing more than a terrible start, the season was longer back then too) and finished 11th that year. We came 4th the season before and did not finish lower than 4th since 1981.

Seeing as half of Caf absolutely despise Ole now and can't wait for us to fail so they can post the 'I told you so' shit here, I'm not really sure how fans would react to us finishing 11th or 13th.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

Fergie had credit to his name.

He had credit from United too, he took over a team that was 21st and had them finish 2nd in less than 2 years.

That 2nd place was followed by a shocker of course, but it was his one "bad" season and by then he had a shit load of credit in the bank from Aberdeen and United.
Despite that, yes, he'd have been absolutely slaughtered for that season online, just as everyone was doing at the pubs, at home, at work, in the ground. Let's not fecking make out like everyone was delighted in 1989 and not fecking fuming at our utterly wank season.

 

[Sarni]

Fergie had credit to his name. He won the Scottish League when Scottish football was good. He had won the European Cup Winners Cup with unfancied Aberdeen by beating Real Madrid and Bayern. Klopp didn't win the CL yet we asked him too before he came to Liverpool. It's disingenuous to compare Ole to Fergie as he has not won anything significant nor has he done anything significant as a manager.

Yeah, that wouldn't matter now to people who want Ole out anyway. I very much doubt that people would have more patience if he had for instance won Portuguese league and Europa League before. I am quite certain the reaction to Fergie's first few seasons would be ridiculous here.

 

[el3mel]

Oh, look another mindless comparison with Fergie's start at United.

If you look at Ole and believe all this guy needs is more time, I've got a bridge to sell you.

I cringe whenever I see these comparisons. Some times it's Fergie some times it's Klopp. Ridiculous.

 

[Sarni]

He had credit from United too, he took over a team that was 21st and had them finish 2nd in less than 2 years.

That 2nd place was followed by a shocker of course, but it was his one "bad" season and by then he had a shit load of credit in the bank from Aberdeen and United.
Despite that, yes, he'd have been absolutely slaughtered for that season online, just as everyone was doing at the pubs, at home, at work, in the ground. Let's not fecking make out like everyone was delighted in 1989 and not fecking fuming at our utterly wank season.

Yeah, his one bad season followed by another one which was even worse.

You'd 100% want him out in the same position now.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

Nice spin. We never finished 21st, we were there after 8 or 9 games of the season (which is nothing more than a terrible start, the season was longer back then too) and finished 11th that year.

Who said we finished 21st? We were in dire straights, 21st in the table and Fergie had us 2nd with only 5 defeats in less than two years. Where's the spin?

 

[Sarni]

Who on here is giving Ole death threats? Feel free to quote the posters. Such a strawman argument.

You really think Ole is comparable to Fergie?

Well we haven't finished 11th or lower yet.

No, I think it's fair to assess a manager based on the progress a team has made under him and give them time if it appears like the team is heading in the right direction, even if it's not at an astounding pace.

 

[Sarni]

Who said we finished 21st? We were in dire straights, 21st in the table and Fergie had us 2nd with only 5 defeats in less than two years. Where's the spin?

After 8 games. The team was clearly much stronger than 21st, as evidenced by previous seasons. And we didn't even break into top 10 after that 2nd placed finish.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

Yeah, his one bad season followed by another one which was even worse.

You'd 100% want him out in the same position now.

The even worse one was a big favourite for many of us actually, I was at the replay, my first Cup final.

And erm.... 100% want him out = murdered

Cool bro. As I say, you think people weren't fecking fuming in 89? What, so without the internet we're all just happy to go along for the ride?

 

[Sarni]

Not visiting this thread for the last year or so I forgot how pointless these debates are though, with virtually the same brigade appearing after every failure. The worst thing that could happen to you guys is if we actually started winning trophies now, that would probably cause mental breakdown among most.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

After 8 games. The team was clearly much stronger than 21st, as evidenced by previous seasons. And we didn't even break into top 10 after that 2nd placed finish.

You've gone off on a crap tangent now after that utter drivel about being "murdered" if the internet was around. It's as though you've forgotten that football was a much angrier place back then.

And if you can't see how much credit Fergie built up after taking over a side placed 21st and the following season losing just 5 games and finishing 2nd, you're being disrespectful as feck to what an achievement that was.

 

[Sarni]

The even worse one was a big favourite for many of us actually, I was at the replay, my first Cup final.

And erm.... 100% want him out = murdered

Cool bro. As I say, you think people weren't fecking fuming in 89? What, so without the internet we're all just happy to go along for the ride?

Yeah considering Ole gets tremendous amount of hate here for having us 2nd in the league and still in FA Cup/Europa League (with some decent performances too), I really can't imagine the reaction to us being mid-table and not competitive at all. Obviously 'wishing him murdered' was not in the strict sense, but the reaction to that would be immense I don't doubt. Like nothing we've ever seen.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

Not visiting this thread for the last year or so I forgot how pointless these debates are though, with virtually the same brigade appearing after every failure. The worst thing that could happen to you guys is if we actually started winning trophies now, that would probably cause mental breakdown among most.

No shit they are pointless when you pipe in saying they'd have been deaths threats after 2 years... erm, he finished 2nd.

And then he'd be murdered after 3 and 4 (won FA Cup).

You really think you made some good debate points here?

 

[el3mel]

Not visiting this thread for the last year or so I forgot how pointless these debates are though, with virtually the same brigade appearing after every failure. The worst thing that could happen to you guys is if we actually started winning trophies now, that would probably cause mental breakdown among most.

What do these ridiculous claims serve I will never know. Yeah we'll hate for the club to succeed and win trophies.

Why would anyone hate a club legend ? People wanting him gone just believe the club will do better under another manager, that's all.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

Yeah considering Ole gets tremendous amount of hate here

Ah back to the hyperbolic nonsense I see.

 

[Sarni]

You've gone off on a crap tangent now after that utter drivel about being "murdered" if the internet was around. It's as though you've forgotten that football was a much angrier place back then.

And if you can't see how much credit Fergie built up after taking over a side placed 21st and the following season losing just 5 games and finishing 2nd, you're being disrespectful as feck to what an achievement that was.

Well if we want to use 8 games sample to final league position as progress then Ole has taken us from 16th to 2nd this season in a similar manner. Though I sense the team was never bad enough to be 16th in the first place.

I feel Fergie's achievement was at that time far broader than taking that team to 2nd, it was actually rebuilding a team that was quite decent in the first place and deciding to go down different route. I don't really know, I wasn't even born back then, I do know there's absolutely zero chance anyone on here would have any patience for him right now because all managers are judged on is winning the league/Champions League. There's zero attention to anything other than trophies.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

What do these ridiculous claims serve I will never know. Yeah we'll hate for the club to succeed and win trophies.

Why would anyone hate a club legend ? People wanting him gone just believe the club will do better under another manager, that's all.

Honestly he's jumped in here in with some utter nonsense about Fergie getting deaths threats for finishing 2nd (2 years), and being murdered after an FA Cup winning season. Then he's finished it all off by throwing in the "you lot will hate it if we start winning stuff" card, and then he's got the cheek to complain about the level of debate.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

Well if we want to use 8 games sample to final league position as progress then Ole has taken us from 16th to 2nd this season in a similar manner.

feck me.

 

[Eplel]

Yeah considering Ole gets tremendous amount of hate here for having us 2nd in the league and still in FA Cup/Europa League (with some decent performances too), I really can't imagine the reaction to us being mid-table and not competitive at all. Obviously 'wishing him murdered' was not in the strict sense, but the reaction to that would be immense I don't doubt. Like nothing we've ever seen.

2nd in the league doesn't mean much when everyone who would challenge us for that position is doing as terrible or even worse than us, and we're still miles off the top. Give it some time, see where we are in a months time.

We only had 1 tough game in FA cup, and that was with the worst Liverpool of the past years. We're "still" in Europa League because we failed spectacularly in CL. You're not wrong that people would be hyperbolically mad if we were 8th or something, but you painting it all as nice and dandy is equally hyperbolic.

 

[Sarni]

What do these ridiculous claims serve I will never know. Yeah we'll hate for the club to succeed and win trophies.

Why would anyone hate a club legend ? People wanting him gone just believe the club will do better under another manager, that's all.

Yeah I somehow don't see the same people who appear here after every single defeat bragging about how they were always right being particularly thrilled when they aren't constantly being proven right.

 

[Sarni]

feck me.

Yeah it makes as much sense as saying we went from 21st (after 8 out of 42 games) to 2nd back then and that earned Fergie's patience among fans for another two seasons, as if it's remotely plausible this could happen again in current era.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

I do know there's absolutely zero chance anyone on here would have any patience for him right now because all managers are judged on is winning the league/Champions League.

We all had ZERO back then for fecks sake, that's the fecking point man.

You think everyone went back to the pub saying "be patient"??

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

Yeah it makes as much sense as saying we went from 21st to 2nd back then.

Honestly that's as stupid as it gets.

 

[el3mel]

Yeah I somehow don't see the same people who appear here after every single defeat bragging about how they were always right being particularly thrilled when they aren't constantly being proven right.

Even if one or two of them did that, you can't simply generalize the entire people who criticize the manager here under one ridiculous claim.

The previous managers were also getting slaughtered here, even by some of the posters you're talking about.

What ? This isn't specific to Ole.

 

[Sarni]

2nd in the league doesn't mean much when everyone who would challenge us for that position is doing as terrible or even worse than us, and we're still miles off the top. Give it some time, see where we are in a months time.

We only had 1 tough game in FA cup, and that was with the worst Liverpool of the past years. We're "still" in Europa League because we failed spectacularly in CL. You're not wrong that people would be hyperbolically mad if we were 8th or something, but you painting it all as nice and dandy is equally hyperbolic.

No, it's been a very mediocre season in my eyes. I think the fact we are so far off the top is as much on terrible recruitment as it is on manager, or even more. I think everyone was just misled by us being top after Burnley game, despite the fact that City could well be level with us with their two games in hand.

We are 3-4 players away from being competitive. Still miles ahead of where we were 2-3 seasons ago but we need to actually make those steps. Whether it's with Ole or not, I don't know, I'd definitely prefer it to be with him as I think he's proven enough to be given that opportunity. Going to a manager like Allegri now would be wrong.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

Yeah I somehow don't see the same people who appear here after every single defeat bragging about how they were always right being particularly thrilled when they aren't constantly being proven right.

It's such utter drivel it's hard to comprehend.

I was wrong about LVG, Mourinho, right about Moyes, tbc on Ole, I genuinely don't know. My default is that we need an exceptional manager to get back to the top and it's unlikely he'll ever be that.

But I'm desperate for Ole to prove that default wrong, I don't want him sacked, and hell even the ones who do would obviously love nothing more than Ole to be the second coming of Sir Matt and watch us absolute smash it. Why wouldn't fans want that? Because being "right" on the internet is more fun than watching your team win trophies, just get the feck out man, you're embarrassing yourself.

 

[Giggsyking]

Comparing Sir Alex is like comparing Cristiano Ronaldo to Obertan.

 

[Sarni]

Honestly that's as stupid as it gets.

Well, let's say a manager would have taken over after 6 games this season when we were in 16th, and got us to finish 8th this year and 2nd/3rd next year, but then 10th the following two seasons. Would you consider that good because we were 16th when they took over, or would you just consider 6 games of this season pretty meaningless in the overall picture because it's clear it was just a bad run?

 

[Sarni]

It's such utter drivel it's hard to comprehend.

I was wrong about LVG, Mourinho, right about Moyes, tbc on Ole, I genuinely don't know. My default is that we need an exceptional manager to get back to the top and it's unlikely he'll ever be that.

But I'm desperate for Ole to prove that default wrong, I don't want him sacked, and hell even the ones who do would obviously love nothing more than Ole to be the second coming of Sir Matt and watch us absolute smash it. Why wouldn't fans want that? Because being "right" on the internet is more fun than watching your team win trophies, just get the feck out man, you're embarrassing yourself.

Yep I do get the feeling with some on here that being right on the internet is quite important to them. Not just our group of fans, all of them.

 

[Eplel]

No, it's been a very mediocre season in my eyes. I think the fact we are so far off the top is as much on terrible recruitment as it is on manager, or even more. I think everyone was just misled by us being top after Burnley game, despite the fact that City could well be level with us with their two games in hand.

We are 3-4 players away from being competitive. Still miles ahead of where we were 2-3 seasons ago but we need to actually make those steps. Whether it's with Ole or not, I don't know, I'd definitely prefer it to be with him as I think he's proven enough to be given that opportunity. Going to a manager like Allegri now would be wrong.

But we're not miles ahead, that's the point, and as much as I like Ole and I appreciate his positives, he is very bad tactically, and that's not going to change now miraculously. We can say that we need 3-4-12 more players all we want, but at the end of day even with this squad we should not be outplayed by Palace and Sheffield United, simple as that. For me it's clear as day that Ole is not the man to take us to the next step. We need a game changer in the summer.

 

[el3mel]

Yep I do get the feeling with some on here that being right on the internet is quite important to them.

Pretty sure this also applies to some of Ole supporters who loved throwing digs at many posters after every win regardless of the opposition. Some here were bringing old posts criticizing Ole just to mock them after any big win. It happened a lot of time.

So yeah, there're trolls from both sides ?

 

[Giggsyking]

Not visiting this thread for the last year or so I forgot how pointless these debates are though, with virtually the same brigade appearing after every failure. The worst thing that could happen to you guys is if we actually started winning trophies now, that would probably cause mental breakdown among most.

WTF are you on about? Do you think anyone here would hate winning trophies? Every fecking angry supporter is angry because of the lack of trophies not the opposite. Worst post in this thread since it started.

 

[Sarni]

Pretty sure this also applies to some of Ole supporters who loved throwing digs at many posters after every win regardless of the opposition. Some here were bringing old posts criticizing Ole just to mock them after any big win. It happened a lot of time.

So yeah, there're trolls from both sides ?

Yeah shame on 'Ole supporters' who are happy with their team and manager doing well.

 

[el3mel]

Yeah shame on 'Ole supporters' who are happy with their team and manager doing well.

Happy with the win is good. Throwing digs at posters for their old opinions and mocking them isn't.

If you approve this then your credibility in this debate is thrown out of the window.

 

[Giggsyking]

Yeah considering Ole gets tremendous amount of hate here for having us 2nd in the league and still in FA Cup/Europa League (with some decent performances too), I really can't imagine the reaction to us being mid-table and not competitive at all. Obviously 'wishing him murdered' was not in the strict sense, but the reaction to that would be immense I don't doubt. Like nothing we've ever seen.

These are not things to brag about. You are mistaken Manchetser united with Arsenal or even Everton.

 

[Sarni]

But we're not miles ahead, that's the point, and as much as I like Ole and I appreciate his positives, he is very bad tactically, and that's not going to change now miraculously. We can say that we need 3-4-12 more players all we want, but at the end of day even with this squad we should not be outplayed by Palace and Sheffield United, simple as that. For me it's clear as day that Ole is not the man to take us to the next step. We need a game changer in the summer.

I'm frankly a bit confused about how good he's tactically. He's definitely shown signs of being a good tactician before as we were doing very well against big teams, often being able to neutralize/dominate them. Even this year our first game against PSG was brilliant tactically. We've seen enough of that but ever since Spurs defeat he seems to have got us go into a complete shell every time we come across a good team. It's very inconsistent but I think he's got potential in that area, he just appears scared now which is a big concern. It's almost like he's regressed.

We've been awful against weaker teams pretty much for the last 8 years. Part of that is down to the quality of players not being good enough though.