Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion

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I don't blame solkjaer at all, after all he didn't hire himself.

Its quite shocking how we've found ourselves in other managerial mess shortly after leaving one.it's just obvious how incompetent whoever is appointing manager for us is at this point.

What convinced the board to give him the job I'll never know.we were lucky in paris, didn't deserve to beat tottenham and many more games which we could have dropped points but this were all ignored.i guess that's what happens when you have the likes of Ed Woodward overseeing managerial appointment.

For our sake,I hope we don't go into the season with this guy as the manager, the season will end in christmas.
 
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amolbhatia50k said:
The second last para is spot on. All the stress from Ole is on mentality, fight, effort etc with technical quality, cohesion etc rarely being given priority. I'll be honest there may be occasions here and there but in general over these 5 years it is not the passion and hardwork that has beem the problem. It's the passing in between the lines, the ability in tight spaces etc
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Shockingly, that seems to be the minority view.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
We won 10 out of our first 13 matches with him in charge. We've still only played 18!

League table since Ole took over.

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Sack him!
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This. Even those who try to ignore the results and bang on about performances or not being attacking enough, the xG and xpts are right there. We're still 3rd since he took over in our expected goals which is basically chances created, and we are 3rd since he took over in expected points. Every single metric has us as the 3rd best side in the league since he took over, so I really cant complain too much.
 
breakout67 said:
Surely any calls for sacking Ole should be ridiculed? He has not had a pre-season or bought in any new players. Atleast give him a chance, it's not as if he's been shite in every game, we had a great run and now are on a horrible run.
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Current fan logic:

Mourinho was right in the players (that he bought) and team ( he assembled ) being crap so Ole is the problem and needd to go
 
Garethw said:
He’s been in the job five months now which should be more than enough time to have a team well drilled and playing the way you want.

That obviously doesn’t mean that he will have the players to fit his style yet, but we should at least be seeing the blueprint for his style and approach.
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Absolutely bang on.

It's not the results for me at this point - it's the fact that this guy is now consistently playing utter dross footy, at home especially, and was doing even during the winning run.

You don't need a perfect squad to try and play better footy than this.

People are saying there's no identity, but I'd disagree, there is - it's a defensive counter attacking style based on giving up possession and long ball running.

It's garbage for a club of our size to be implementing this type of thing, and after 5 months, I'd expect to see some fecking coaching going on.
 
Rhyme Animal said:
Absolutely bang on.

It's not the results for me at this point - it's the fact that this guy is now consistently playing utter dross footy, at home especially, and was doing even during the winning run.

You don't need a perfect squad to try and play better footy than this.

People are saying there's no identity, but I'd disagree, there is - it's a defensive counter attacking style based on giving up possession and long ball running.

It's garbage for a club of our size to be implementing this type of thing, and after 5 months, I'd expect to see some fecking coaching going on.
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It’s a fair point in ordinary circumstances no doubt, but solskjaer is dealing with a squad of truly apathetic players. I totally disagree it’s the managers job to motivate, players should be motivated already and then it’s the managers job to harness it and maximise it. If they can’t be bothered for the first few months then down tools for the last two months there is no manager than can deal with it. It’s just my feeling but there seems to be truly toxic divisions in our dressing room, loads of uncertainty about futures and a whole lot of self pity. If we’re in this boat a couple of months into new season after he has rid the squad of who sees as a problem and brought in who he likes, then I’d start getting seriously doubtful of him.


We have let in 4 goals less than Brighton this year, we are closer to palace than city. The season has been an utter shit show and I feel sorry for him getting the job when he did. I’d give him the preseason to see what happens.
 
breakout67 said:
Surely any calls for sacking Ole should be ridiculed? He has not had a pre-season or bought in any new players. Atleast give him a chance, it's not as if he's been shite in every game, we had a great run and now are on a horrible run.
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Didn't stop City with all those managers in the '90s did it? :)
 
Owen06 said:
I don't blame solkjaer at all, after all he didn't hire himself.

Its quite shocking how we've found ourselves in other managerial mess shortly after leaving one.it's just obvious how incompetent whoever is appointing manager for us is at this point.

What convinced the board to give him the job I'll never know.we were lucky in paris, didn't deserve to beat tottenham and many more games which we could have dropped points but this were all ignored.i guess that's what happens when you have the likes of Ed Woodward overseeing managerial appointment.

For our sake,I hope we don't go into the season with this guy as the manager, the season will end in christmas.
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Yeah. Kind of wish we'd lost that Tottenham game now - we deserved to lose it and, had we done so, we may not have rushed into this appointment.

The PSG game was magic though. Wouldn't swap that for anything, right up there with the best United victories of all time.
 
Smores said:
He deserves next season but anyone saying he's doing a good job right now or that they have no concerns is lying to themselves.

We're playing jose football right now and doing it worse, that's in spite of the fact our previous manager had fallen out with the team.

The starting form provides some leeway to him but that only holds for so long. The end of the season comes at a good time for him as i don't think our form would improve.
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Think it comes at a terrible time for him actually. The press can build the pressure on him all summer and he's got no way of deflating it with results.

Unless we somehow qualify for the CL, he'll be under as much pressure this summer as Mourinho was last.
 
I think the mentality and effort is right to turn it around. Although not sure the tactical quality and technical ability is good enough overall.
Still I think Ole deserves a chance to bring in some quality and improve our tactics.
 
Red Dreams said:
Said before. This half of the season is part of the pre-season.
Our fitness improved and then all those injuries at the Liverpool match. We never recovered.

Clearly De Gea and Pogba don't want to be here.
Several others are simply not good enough.

Ole will blend in Youth players and players he brings in. Perhaps as many as 5.
You can be sure none of them will be Huge names/prima donnas.

Ole has made mistakes.

But even when we were going so well, it was clear we had a huge gap in the squad below the first 11.

Finally. We have missed Ander so much.
Shame he probably is gone.
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What is important is that he know that
Cheesy said:
What are we actually basing this on though? Fans understand what the club is about. But most of said fans would obviously not be right to manage the club. Understanding what's wrong isn't necessarily enough. Again - most fans know what's wrong.
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I agree. But I see a difference in Ole’s approach (at least what he’s been saying in interviews and conferences). He clearly said that it will need more than 1 transfer window, he said he will promote youngsters from the academy, he said he wants his players to be the hardest working players in the league. A lot more. So, he doesnt only understand the problem, he has an approach (which I see is right) to take the club forward.

The most important thing is to bring the club to its true status as an elite club. We need players who understand the importance of this and give their all for it. What we currently have is a bunch of players (most of whom are average) who just don’t give enough.
 
Rhyme Animal said:
Not sure if you've actually read the whole article, but pretty much all of it is bang on, and written from the heart I'd say.
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Ince there says its the managers job to motivate the players, keane said its the players job. Whos right?

Ince is assuming zidane was realisticly available/interested, and the board would now happily not have ole in charge
 
clarkydaz said:
Ince there says its the managers job to motivate the players, keane said its the players job. Whos right?

Ince is assuming zidane was realistically available/interested, and the board would now happily not have ole in charge
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Think in this day and age it is the managers job to motivate. Players now are completely different creatures to Keane etc. The outside distractions are different. The manager now has the task of actually reminding them that they are footballers and that is what pays their wages.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Almost as though the quality of the opposition matters, right? We got great results against week teams but have struggled recently, in tougher fixtures. Same as every season. What makes Ole's time in charge a little unusual is the way we've had a whole bunch of easy(ish) games in a row followed by a whole bunch of tough(ish) games in a row. Which has created an emotional rollercoaster and a whole bunch of people who have decided that losing a few games in a row is the end of the fecking world.

Which is why I posted that table. Taking the 18 games we've played with Ole in charge as a whole, we're still outperforming all but the best two teams in the league. And we're closer to them than we are to the chasing pack. I would interpret that as so far, so good, under any new manager. Taking into account he's done this with no pre-season, no signings and barely any breathing space between fixtures (26 games in 18 weeks) then I'd say he's done pretty damn good. Certainly a damn sight better than you'd think from the relentless negativity on here these last few weeks.
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Bravo Pogue! You’re no doubt wasting your breath/fingers muscles but still, some excellent posts in here pal.
 
clarkydaz said:
Ince there says its the managers job to motivate the players, keane said its the players job. Whos right?

Ince is assuming zidane was realisticly available/interested, and the board would now happily not have ole in charge
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The manager motivates the players he can motivate and replaces the players he can’t. Obviously Ole hasn’t had a chance to do the second part of that equation.
 
Rhyme Animal said:
Not sure if you've actually read the whole article, but pretty much all of it is bang on, and written from the heart I'd say.
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Yeah, its a negative outlook and I don't agree with everything, but I can understand what he's saying. I back OGS, but even I'm not certain if he'll work out or not
 
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Xaviesta said:
Paul Ince has piped up again: https://news.paddypower.com/football/2019/04/25/paul-ince-manchester-united-views/
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"Ole needs to get over Sir Alex Ferguson – he’s the Man Utd manager now. We’ve tried this nice approach, the stuff about Ole giving the tea lady chocolates and trying to do what Sir Alex Ferguson has done.

That’s in the past now, we need to move forward from that. All of this ‘Ole legend’ stuff – yeah, he scored the winner in the 1999 Champions League final, we get that. But he’s not a legend – he’s the manager of Manchester United."

Paul Ince is such a bitter man. :lol:
 
clarkydaz said:
Ince there says its the managers job to motivate the players, keane said its the players job. Whos right?

Ince is assuming zidane was realisticly available/interested, and the board would now happily not have ole in charge
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If the whole squad looks unmotivated, jaded and the football they're playing is utterly rubbish, for me, it's the manager every time.

Add to that something that no-one seems keen to pick up on - if they're not playing as directed, why isn't Ole -

A. Directing them from the touchline as managers will always do when players are going awol on the pitch and not doing as directed?

B. Actually subbing key players off that are blatantly ignoring his instructions?

The players have been training with Ole every day for 5 months now - 5 months, day-in, day-out, actually think about that - and then think about what you're hearing repeated over and over again in interviews from him - 'the United way', 'run more', 'Beckham, Giggsy'...

Quality players want to play good football, but they can't coach themselves. If you're gonna employ a coach, then the overall performance of a team they've been coaching every day for 5 months has to stop with them.

Players are human beings, and if - IF - Ole is actually a League 1 / Molde level manager, and they, as professionals can clearly see this, they might be forgiven for being less than totally over the Moon about dealing with his coaching every day and following what they view as lowly tactics.

And I get it - 'play for the badge', 'in my day...', 'feck off to Madrid then', 'haircuts', 'social media', 'dancing', 'lazy' etc - but if this club wants to drag itself out of the fecking dark-ages and become somewhere that players who are enjoyable to watch want to come to, then we need to understand that technical direction on the pitch (both training and matchday) is fecking paramount...

And we need to hold those whose job it to instill that on-pitch direction accountable - Solskjaer has had 5 months with a squad that finished 2nd last season, and that squad now looks worse than when he took over from the guy who was sacked before him.
 
Tom Van Persie said:
It's written by a very bitter man I'd say.
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And yet, I'm willing to confidently wager that you agree with Roy Keane's most recent rants...

It's a calmly stated, well written article that seems to me to be on the money - there may be one or two points that you disagree with, if so, state them and explain why.
 
Tom Van Persie said:
"Ole needs to get over Sir Alex Ferguson – he’s the Man Utd manager now. We’ve tried this nice approach, the stuff about Ole giving the tea lady chocolates and trying to do what Sir Alex Ferguson has done.

That’s in the past now, we need to move forward from that. All of this ‘Ole legend’ stuff – yeah, he scored the winner in the 1999 Champions League final, we get that. But he’s not a legend – he’s the manager of Manchester United."

Paul Ince is such a bitter man. :lol:
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Yes but there’s nothing in those quotes haven’t Been said by fans on here and generally we’d disagree with.

The Ole player commands respect but he has to earn it as a coach. Gullit, Vialli all great players but couldn’t take clubs forward as fans and players didn’t buy the ‘great player’ = great coach
 
Rhyme Animal said:
The players have been training with Ole every day for 5 months now - 5 months, day-in, day-out, actually think about that - and then think about what you're hearing repeated over and over again in interviews from him - 'the United way', 'run more', 'Beckham, Giggsy'...

Quality players want to play good football, but they can't coach themselves. If you're gonna employ a coach, then the overall performance of a team they've been coaching every day for 5 months has to stop with them.

Players are human beings, and if - IF - Ole is actually a League 1 / Molde level manager, and they, as professionals can clearly see this, they might be forgiven for being less than totally over the Moon about dealing with his coaching every day and following what they view as lowly tactics.

And I get it - 'play for the badge', 'in my day...', 'feck off to Madrid then', 'haircuts', 'social media', 'dancing', 'lazy' etc - but if this club wants to drag itself out of the fecking dark-ages and become somewhere that players who are enjoyable to watch want to come to, then we need to understand that technical direction on the pitch (both training and matchday) is fecking paramount...

And we need to hold those whose job it to instill that on-pitch direction accountable - Solskjaer has had 5 months with a squad that finished 2nd last season, and that squad now looks worse than when he took over from the guy who was sacked before him.
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Yep, you're completely right.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Which is why I posted that table. Taking the 18 games we've played with Ole in charge as a whole, we're still outperforming all but the best two teams in the league. And we're closer to them than we are to the chasing pack. I would interpret that as so far, so good, under any new manager. Taking into account he's done this with no pre-season, no signings and barely any breathing space between fixtures (26 games in 18 weeks) then I'd say he's done pretty damn good. Certainly a damn sight better than you'd think from the relentless negativity on here these last few weeks.
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The table isn't the problem - I think all of us would have snapped your hand off if we'd been offered being in this position when Ole took the job on. The problem - and what most people are concerned about - is the spread of results. If our recent losses had been spread throughout the last 4 months none of us would have an issue with it, but unfortunately they have all come in the last few weeks...which suggests that there could be an underlying problem. No-one can argue that our results have literally fallen off a cliff-edge. No can argue that this is our worst run of results for 60 odd years. They are facts. What we can argue about is the causes. The problem is though that the improvement and then rapid drop-off in form is exactly analogous with what you see time and again in football after a caretaker manager is appointed. And that is the worry.

Basically, NONE of us have a fecking clue quite how much of the drop off in form is due to fitness, injuries, tactical mistakes, player unrest, fixtures, or the wearing off the 'new manager bounce' TM. It's all guesswork. So, as a club legend the natural position to take as a fan is one of trying to put a put a positive spin on things and try and stick those dark negative thoughts in the back of our minds. I get that. But the bottom line is we are now entrusting the next phase of our development - a phase that requires a huge amount of rebuilding and investment - to a guy that has overseen a relegation with Cardiff, has done well in the Norwegian league, has taken United on a great run of wins, and who has now presided over our worst run of form since 1962, a guy who - much as I love him - would not have been under consideration for the United job in a million years under 'normal' circumstances. We, none of us, can really have the slightest clue how this is going to pan out. And that feels like a particularly reckless position to be in after 3 unsuccessful managerial appointments, 6 years of shite football, and when our biggest fecking rivals in City and Liverpool are at the absolute top of their game on and off the pitch.

This is nightmarish.
 
Inigo Montoya said:
Yes but there’s nothing in those quotes haven’t Been said by fans on here and generally we’d disagree with.

The Ole player commands respect but he has to earn it as a coach. Gullit, Vialli all great players but couldn’t take clubs forward as fans and players didn’t buy the ‘great player’ = great coach
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Ole’s a United legend but he wasn’t a great player. When he did nearly leave the club it was to go to an irrelevant mid table Spurs side. His name doesn’t hold anywhere near the kudos of Gullit.
 
Rhyme Animal said:
If the whole squad looks unmotivated, jaded and the football they're playing is utterly rubbish, for me, it's the manager every time.

Add to that something that no-one seems keen to pick up on - if they're not playing as directed, why isn't Ole -

A. Directing them from the touchline as managers will always do when players are going awol on the pitch and not doing as directed?

B. Actually subbing key players off that are blatantly ignoring his instructions?

The players have been training with Ole every day for 5 months now - 5 months, day-in, day-out, actually think about that - and then think about what you're hearing repeated over and over again in interviews from him - 'the United way', 'run more', 'Beckham, Giggsy'...

Quality players want to play good football, but they can't coach themselves. If you're gonna employ a coach, then the overall performance of a team they've been coaching every day for 5 months has to stop with them.

Players are human beings, and if - IF - Ole is actually a League 1 / Molde level manager, and they, as professionals can clearly see this, they might be forgiven for being less than totally over the Moon about dealing with his coaching every day and following what they view as lowly tactics.

And I get it - 'play for the badge', 'in my day...', 'feck off to Madrid then', 'haircuts', 'social media', 'dancing', 'lazy' etc - but if this club wants to drag itself out of the fecking dark-ages and become somewhere that players who are enjoyable to watch want to come to, then we need to understand that technical direction on the pitch (both training and matchday) is fecking paramount...

And we need to hold those whose job it to instill that on-pitch direction accountable - Solskjaer has had 5 months with a squad that finished 2nd last season, and that squad now looks worse than when he took over from the guy who was sacked before him.
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It actually doesn’t.That’s nonsense. The team is far closer to UCL qualification than under Jose. We’d be 7/8th by now.

The squad that finished more than 20 points behind was made worse by Jose. If you were happy with him in charge then you’re entitled to feel that way. Just don’t try and put forward an absurd claim that Jose was a good coach. He hardly ever got off his arse in games, we were lucky to win the League Cup and the Europa and he got schooled by Conte in the FA cup.
 
Rhyme Animal said:
And yet, I'm willing to confidently wager that you agree with Roy Keane's most recent rants...

It's a calmly stated, well written article that seems to me to be on the money - there may be one or two points that you disagree with, if so, state them and explain why.
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I hear his points and he's an entitled to his opinion but there's too many sly digs in there for me. He's been on Ole's case since the day he came in as caretaker manager. Ince was gutted that one of his pals like Bruce or Hughes never got the job and it went to one of the players who came in after he was shipped out and is unanimously thought of as a United hero. Hardly anyone remembers Ince that fondly.
 
Classical Mechanic said:
Ole’s a United legend but he wasn’t a great player. When he did nearly leave the club it was to go to an irrelevant mid table Spurs side. His name doesn’t hold anywhere near the kudos of Gullit.
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I didn’t say it did.Gullit holds kudos as a player not a coach. He fecked up Newcastle royally and Chelsea don’t hold him up as a coach. Don’t know what point you’re trying to make TBH

The spurs link is inaccurate. He never nearly went at all. He was asked if he was happy fighting for a place as we’d signed Yorke and Sheringham. He chose to stay.

This is all irrelevant to the current situation anyway. I think the players respect him but he needs to be ruthless in a Pep kind of way. Stop thinking about them as ‘friends,’they’re not, they’re his team/staff
 
Rusholme Ruffian said:
The table isn't the problem - I think all of us would have snapped your hand off if we'd been offered being in this position when Ole took the job on. The problem - and what most people are concerned about - is the spread of results. If our recent losses had been spread throughout the last 4 months none of us would have an issue with it, but unfortunately they have all come in the last few weeks...which suggests that there could be an underlying problem. No-one can argue that our results have literally fallen off a cliff-edge. No can argue that this is our worst run of results for 60 odd years. They are facts. What we can argue about is the causes. The problem is though that the improvement and then rapid drop-off in form is exactly analogous with what you see time and again in football after a caretaker manager is appointed. And that is the worry.

Basically, NONE of us have a fecking clue quite how much of the drop off in form is due to fitness, injuries, tactical mistakes, player unrest, fixtures, or the wearing off the 'new manager bounce' TM. It's all guesswork. So, as a club legend the natural position to take as a fan is one of trying to put a put a positive spin on things and try and stick those dark negative thoughts in the back of our minds. I get that. But the bottom line is we are now entrusting the next phase of our development - a phase that requires a huge amount of rebuilding and investment - to a guy that has overseen a relegation with Cardiff, has done well in the Norwegian league, has taken United on a great run of wins, and who has now presided over our worst run of form since 1962, a guy who - much as I love him - would not have been under consideration for the United job in a million years under 'normal' circumstances. We, none of us, can really have the slightest clue how this is going to pan out. And that feels like a particularly reckless position to be in after 3 unsuccessful managerial appointments, 6 years of shite football, and when our biggest fecking rivals in City and Liverpool are at the absolute top of their game on and off the pitch.

This is nightmarish.
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I actually don't disagree with any of that. It's a shite state of affairs and I'm as nervous as the next man. Even in the "good old days" of that massive run of wins under Ole I was hoping we'd end up with Pocchetino in charge. That's not going to happen, though.

We've got our new manager now. And, because that manager is Ole Gunnar Solskjaer, I'm happy to give him the benefit of the doubt. Which involves looking at our results performances as a whole since he took over and waiting to see what he can do with his team over the course of next season. Affording him this sort of patience isn't a huge ask. So I'm not ready to call the situation nightmarish just yet. It's still very early days.
 
Inigo Montoya said:
It actually doesn’t.That’s nonsense. The team is far closer to UCL qualification than under Jose. We’d be 7/8th by now.

The squad that finished more than 20 points behind was made worse by Jose. If you were happy with him in charge then you’re entitled to feel that way. Just don’t try and put forward an absurd claim that Jose was a good coach. He hardly ever got off his arse in games, we were lucky to win the League Cup and the Europa and he got schooled by Conte in the FA cup.
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Calm down and take a step back - where have I suggested the bolded?

I actively wanted Mourinho sacked, check my post history around and before his sacking.

And on the 2nd bolded sentence, you don't think Mourinho has been a good coach over his career...? He won two trophies here in 2 seasons, finished 2nd - and then SHOULD HAVE BEEN LET GO.

But it's hardly that bad, is it...?

But this is a conversation about our current manager, lets keep the topic mostly on that. Mourinho's been and gone, Ole's had 5 months with this squad and is churning out rubbish footy, that's my concern, not squabbling with either Mourinho fans or haters.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
I actually don't disagree with any of that. It's a shite state of affairs and I'm as nervous as the next man. Even in the "good old days" of that massive run of wins under Ole I was hoping we'd end up with Pocchetino in charge. That's not going to happen, though.

We've got our new manager now. And, because that manager is Ole Gunnar Solskjaer, I'm happy to give him the benefit of the doubt. Which involves looking at our results performances as a whole since he took over and waiting to see what he can do with his team over the course of next season. Affording him this sort of patience isn't a huge ask. So I'm not ready to call the situation nightmarish just yet. It's still very early days.
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This is the bit I have an issue with. Until we win another couple and break this awful run I (and others I'm sure) find it very difficult to just average everything out. Lots of caretaker managers start out strongly...
 
Rhyme Animal said:
Calm down and take a step back - where have I suggested the bolded?

I actively wanted Mourinho sacked, check my post history around and before his sacking.

And on the 2nd bolded sentence, you don't think Mourinho has been a good coach over his career...? He won two trophies here in 2 seasons, finished 2nd - and then SHOULD HAVE BEEN LET GO.

But it's hardly that bad, is it...?

But this is a conversation about our current manager, lets keep the topic mostly on that. Mourinho's been and gone, Ole's had 5 months with this squad and is churning out rubbish footy, that's my concern, not squabbling with either Mourinho fans or haters.
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Jose has been one of the greatest coaches in modern times but it comes at a price. He wasn’t right for RM and he wasn’t right for Utd.

We all want what’s best for the team but no one has a firm idea how to get there
 
Rhyme Animal said:
If the whole squad looks unmotivated, jaded and the football they're playing is utterly rubbish, for me, it's the manager every time.

Add to that something that no-one seems keen to pick up on - if they're not playing as directed, why isn't Ole -

A. Directing them from the touchline as managers will always do when players are going awol on the pitch and not doing as directed?

B. Actually subbing key players off that are blatantly ignoring his instructions?

The players have been training with Ole every day for 5 months now - 5 months, day-in, day-out, actually think about that - and then think about what you're hearing repeated over and over again in interviews from him - 'the United way', 'run more', 'Beckham, Giggsy'...

Quality players want to play good football, but they can't coach themselves. If you're gonna employ a coach, then the overall performance of a team they've been coaching every day for 5 months has to stop with them.

Players are human beings, and if - IF - Ole is actually a League 1 / Molde level manager, and they, as professionals can clearly see this, they might be forgiven for being less than totally over the Moon about dealing with his coaching every day and following what they view as lowly tactics.

And I get it - 'play for the badge', 'in my day...', 'feck off to Madrid then', 'haircuts', 'social media', 'dancing', 'lazy' etc - but if this club wants to drag itself out of the fecking dark-ages and become somewhere that players who are enjoyable to watch want to come to, then we need to understand that technical direction on the pitch (both training and matchday) is fecking paramount...

And we need to hold those whose job it to instill that on-pitch direction accountable - Solskjaer has had 5 months with a squad that finished 2nd last season, and that squad now looks worse than when he took over from the guy who was sacked before him.
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My favorite post in a while.
 
Rusholme Ruffian said:
This is the bit I have an issue with. Until we win another couple and break this awful run I (and others I'm sure) find it very difficult to just average everything out. Lots of caretaker managers start out strongly...
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They do. But none of them have started out as strongly as Ole did, or sustained that strong start as long as he did. By a considerable margin. He had the longest opening unbeaten run of any Premier League manager, at any club, ever. Which, in my opinion, has earned him some credit for overseeing something more significant than your standard "new manager bounce".
 
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