Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion

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bosnian_red said:
Haha fecker. On my phone so it's hard sometimes. Anyway, I think we mostly agree I just think it's too soon to pass judgement on him like some are already starting to do, which is ridiculous in my eyes because of how big of a mess the squad is. I think he's trying to change the mentality of the group and he's trying to be ruthless with them. Plenty will surely leave this summer and hopefully Woodward pulls his finger out and backs Ole (tbf he has backed the previous managers financially). After half a season it looks like Ole has already made his mind up on players like Matic, Lukaku, Sanchez, Mata, Herrera, Bailly etc (who many of the fans would agree on) who are all overpaid, over priced, overrated or just of no use for him moving forward because either they don't want to be here, or don't have the right attitude to be here or aren't good enough. Unfortunately I'm sure there's others like Young who I'm sure has a good attitude despite being shit, but will just stick around again because we are just that short at fullback so we have to make do with him as depth at least.
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Definitely agree on your opinion about the squad yeah. They're the major problem and will need to be addressed for any manager to actually succeed imo. It's just one or 2 points we disagreed about but it's totally fine, nothing major. :)
 
dove said:
Surely we must have some sort of crisis centre at Carrington by now, we seem to be in crisis pretty much every week for the past 5 years.
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When will Woodward realise he is part of every crisis.
 
haram said:
When will Woodward realise he is part of every crisis.
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He won't fire himself. He likes having the power.

The Glazers are the main problem. If they had any sense of football nous, Woodward would have been long demoted from football matters.

If Woodward had any decency, he would have stepped down and hired someone to take his place.
 
We're on a rotten run of form but a little perspective wouldn't go amiss. Our points per game average under Solskjaer is almost identical to last season's where we finished 2nd, and that's before he's had a transfer window to sort this mess out.
 
Infra-red said:
Yikes :nervous:

Ole Gunnar Solskjaer inquest: Ed Woodward hauls Manchester United boss in for crisis talks after horror run that has seen club lose seven of their last nine games

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...auls-Manchester-United-boss-crisis-talks.html
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United insist Pogba, who has two years left on his contract, is not for sale. Yet the belief is that a deal can be done with Madrid ready to use Gareth Bale as bait.
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*face palm*

I don't care much about Pogba leaving but choosing Bale out of all Madrid players to get in replacement is totally and absolutely ridiculous, though typical for Woodward's United.
 
Infra-red said:
Yikes :nervous:

Ole Gunnar Solskjaer inquest: Ed Woodward hauls Manchester United boss in for crisis talks after horror run that has seen club lose seven of their last nine games

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...auls-Manchester-United-boss-crisis-talks.html
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From the article:

"Paul Pogba is believed to have given a speech in the dressing room beforehand, similar to the pep talk he delivered to his France team-mates before the World Cup final last summer, but it had little effect as United were outplayed by their neighbours."

So I guess Pogba isn't the ringleader of 'not giving a feck' like some thought.
 
el3mel said:
*face palm*

I don't care much about Pogba leaving but choosing Bale out of all Madrid players to get in replacement is totally and absolutely ridiculous, though typical for Woodward's United.
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Article seems to indicate that the belief comes from Madrid so hopefully Woodward isn’t that stupid. Wouldn’t bet on it though.

Happy to swap Sanchez for him though.
 
el3mel said:
*face palm*

I don't care much about Pogba leaving but choosing Bale out of all Madrid players to get in replacement is totally and absolutely ridiculous, though typical for Woodward's United.
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If we do that deal and get Bale in return, I think I'm done. Might tune out. Would be such a terrible move.
 
el3mel said:
*face palm*

I don't care much about Pogba leaving but choosing Bale out of all Madrid players to get in replacement is totally and absolutely ridiculous, though typical for Woodward's United.
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Woodward will already be excitedly planning Bale's 'reveal' video for the club's website.
 
It’s sad but performances as well as results haven’t been good enough & not controlling any games is the most worrying (especially against Watford & West Ham)

No doubt we need an upgrade in players too but we’re Manchester United & should be after the best & that includes a manager too. I just don’t see a plan or style being implemented & if the board have anything about them they should at least be asking the question of the managers position.
 
el3mel said:
We lost 7 matches out of our last 9, our worst ever run of games of the post Fergie era tie to tie with LVG dreadful 8 winless games run in November and December. Didn't score for 4 straight hours and no goals from open play in 8 hours, 6 points from last 18, 6th in the league and out of every competition and we are not even fun to watch.

But overreacting..

People have every right to start questioning what is served on the pitch in such circumstances whatever we agree on them or not. There's no overreacting when people question manager over such awful form.

And let's be honest if he had went through this run without getting appointed and was still and interim manager now, I doubt most of us would have persisted with the opinion of giving him the job. Most of us would have changed our mind.
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That's fair.
 
ErranMorad said:
P9 W2 L7 GF6 GA18

P7 W2 L5 GF5 GA14 (Since made permanent)

P6 W2 L4 GF5 GA12 (In the league)

That's an atrocious record whichever way you want to look at it. It's relegation form in the league and we were humbled in both the cup competitions. Haven't scored a goal in our last three games and I doubt we got many shots on target either. Awful..simply fecking awful.

I don't get this prevailing idea of how a manager has to have a transfer window under his belt before he can be judged. We cannot give every manager we sign a 300m kitty before they can start do the basics. Our expectations from the incumbents should be much higher. If Ole spends 300m in the next window and fails, will the next manager also require another 300m before he can judged? At what point are we going to put onus on the coaching to get us out of these vicious circles?
If our squad wasn't as good as the starting run, it isn't as bad as this run either. A good manager should have been able to stop the rot at some stage.

"Effort", "attitude", "running", "expectations from a united player" - these buzz words are simply not enough. Actually they sound like somthing a midtable manager would say. Players need to be coached. A Pep or Klopp team is simply not getting by based on these.

I am afraid this is not looking good. The decision to give Ole the permanent job before the end of the season is looking worse by the day.
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The second last para is spot on. All the stress from Ole is on mentality, fight, effort etc with technical quality, cohesion etc rarely being given priority. I'll be honest there may be occasions here and there but in general over these 5 years it is not the passion and hardwork that has beem the problem. It's the passing in between the lines, the ability in tight spaces etc
 
.Moyes was rubbish, LVG was rubbish, Mourinho parked the bus v Liverpool every time and still lost.

The recruitment has been an unmitigated disaster this season. All we seem to do is jump in and overpay whenever City are linked to a player this season. And people think we're going to suddenly sign 3 Pogba's in different positions ...

Where is all the criticism for these guys?

The forum is depressing when people come for Ole after every bad result. You could go to any club and get a bad result, and start debating the manager and the loss for hours. Waste of time really.

If Guardiola came here the first thing he'd do would be a squad clear out.

People expect Ole to perform some faith healing miracle, and turn poor players into players with league winning form who trounce Man City.

Guardiola himself said that he cannot turn city youth players into good players, they must be good already.
 
If Solskjær had never have played for us and wasn’t a club legend and was being judged purely on his managerial career so far, every single fan would think that making him permanent manager was a fecking ludicrous decision.
 
InLevyITrust said:
Do some fans really want Ole out already?
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I didn't want him made permanent til the season was over, and I wouldn't have wanted him made permanent if we had this run of results before we gave him the contract.

If someone like Poch was available in the summer still, then I'd happily see Ole out the door to get him. That might seem extreme but it's what other big clubs would do in the situation. But I don't think Poch or anyone of his standard will be available so we may as well keep Ole.
 
RasTiaGba said:
.Moyes was rubbish, LVG was rubbish, Mourinho parked the bus v Liverpool every time and still lost.

The recruitment has been an unmitigated disaster this season. All we seem to do is jump in and overpay whenever City are linked to a player this season. And people think we're going to suddenly sign 3 Pogba's in different positions ...

Where is all the criticism for these guys?

The forum is depressing when people come for Ole after every bad result. You could go to any club and get a bad result, and start debating the manager and the loss for hours. Waste of time really.

If Guardiola came here the first thing he'd do would be a squad clear out.

People expect Ole to perform some faith healing miracle, and turn poor players into players with league winning form who trounce Man City.

Guardiola himself said that he cannot turn city youth players into good players, they must be good already.
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No I expect to see a preferred system in place after five months. A system that we can base our transfer strategy around this summer. Not chopping and changing from 3 at the back to 4 at the back to 5 at the back from one week to another.

This squad has its deficiencies but Ole has us playing like a relegation side. I see absolutely nothing right now that indicates that he is the man for the job.

He’ll be sacked before Christmas and we will be back to square one.
 
Infra-red said:
Yikes :nervous:

Ole Gunnar Solskjaer inquest: Ed Woodward hauls Manchester United boss in for crisis talks after horror run that has seen club lose seven of their last nine games

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...auls-Manchester-United-boss-crisis-talks.html
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Literally 95% of top sides would have sacked him after this run of form. Probably even Molde.

I love Ole, but it’s clear to me that he is out of his depth. If we stick with him then next season will be a right off before it starts.

Appalling team selections
Appalling tactics
Appalling substitutions
No clear style of play
No attacking intent
A team that looks under coached

All things that Ole is responsible for.

2-3 key signings aren’t going to fix shit if the managerial team continues to underperform/look out of its depth.
 
Another knee jerk response by money managers. Is it as simple as just blame Ole and his staff or did the players down tools yet again when they needed to unite and fight? So much easier to sack Ole than blame the players.
 
Garethw said:
If Solskjær had never have played for us and wasn’t a club legend and was being judged purely on his managerial career so far, every single fan would think that making him permanent manager was a fecking ludicrous decision.
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Obviously. But so what? He's in a particular category. Whether people like it or not it's more comparable to Pep/Barca than - yes, what - hiring some random bloke with an underwhelming CV straight off the street.

Sure, it's a big gamble. Sure, it could go to hell quickly, and so forth. But he isn't a random manager, so your point is basically moot.
 
Garethw said:
A team that looks under coached
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I'm sorry but this is rubbish. You expect him to have this team well drilled at this stage?

It's like people have decided to pretend he's been in charge of a team of his own making for a lengthy period of time.
 
Chesterlestreet said:
I'm sorry but this is rubbish. You expect him to have this team well drilled at this stage?

It's like people have decided to pretend he's been in charge of a team of his own making for a lengthy period of time.
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He’s been in the job five months now which should be more than enough time to have a team well drilled and playing the way you want.

That obviously doesn’t mean that he will have the players to fit his style yet, but we should at least be seeing the blueprint for his style and approach.
 
Garethw said:
If Solskjær had never have played for us and wasn’t a club legend and was being judged purely on his managerial career so far, every single fan would think that making him permanent manager was a fecking ludicrous decision.
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It's obvious the players aren't playing for anybody at this point. We went on a two month run winning some tough games and playing some decent football, for whatever reason be it attitude or fitness the workrate has dropped from 99 to 1 in the space of a month.

Id love to see Pep manage this lot for 12 months. Darmian and Young bombing down the right, Smalling and Jones playing out from the back as ultimate ball playing defenders whilst Lukaku uses his silky touch told hold up play and link with the midfield and other attackers....

Give me a fecking break. The squad is a complete mess, its cost an absolute fortune to put this shower of shite together and now we're paying the price for it. People seem amazed that our starting 11 are struggling to compete.....just look at the squad its a shambles even our best, most expensive players are nowhere near top level.

£170m for Pogba and Lukaku....Sanchez on £400k a week :lol: Amazing how somebody higher up hasn't been axed, its almost negligent at this point.
 
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Old Ma Crow said:
Another knee jerk response by money managers. Is it as simple as just blame Ole and his staff or did the players down tools yet again when they needed to unite and fight? So much easier to sack Ole than blame the players.
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When a whole team is underperforming it’s usually the manager.

The squad is a disgrace and I really wouldn’t care if every fecking player left in the summer. But as things stand Ole and his team don’t look like they know what they are doing.

This is the worst run of form in over 50 years. We don’t even look like scoring a bloody goal let alone winning a game.
 
Castia said:
It's obvious the players aren't playing for anybody at this point. We went on a two month run winning some tough games and playing some decent football, for whatever reason be it attitude or fitness the workrate has dropped from 99 to 1 in the space of a month.

Id love to see Pep manage this lot for 12 months. Darmian and Young bombing down the right, Smalling and Jones playing out from the back as ultimate ball playing defenders whilst Lukaku uses his silky touch told hold up play and link with the midfield and other attackers....

Give me a fecking break. The squad is a complete mess, its cost an absolute fortune to put this shower of shite together and now we're paying the price for it. People seem amazed that our starting 11 are struggling to compete.....just look at the squad its a shambles even our best, most expensive players are nowhere near top level.
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Yes our squad is a mess, but there are plenty of teams out there with far worse squads than ours that are well drilled well oiled machines.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
The second last para is spot on. All the stress from Ole is on mentality, fight, effort etc with technical quality, cohesion etc rarely being given priority. I'll be honest there may be occasions here and there but in general over these 5 years it is not the passion and hardwork that has beem the problem. It's the passing in between the lines, the ability in tight spaces etc
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How could Ole have improved these elements in the time he's been in the job?

As for his repeated emphasis on workrate, he's really just saying that this is something fundamental that every team needs and every team can achieve. Get that right and we've something to build on. If the players won't even work hard then we're doomed from the start.
 
He has to have this transfer window and pre-season to get the players in shape, get the system he wants set up. It isn't Ole I am doubting it is the people he is putting his trust in to do any transfer business over the summer. They are the ones we should be watching closely.
 
Garethw said:
Yes our squad is a mess, but there are plenty of teams out there with far worse squads than ours that are well drilled well oiled machines.
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Nah we're in 6th id say that's spot on to be fair. Our squad isn't better than anybody above us whilst costing 10 times more than Arsenal and Spurs.
 
Garethw said:
Literally 95% of top sides would have sacked him after this run of form. Probably even Molde.

I love Ole, but it’s clear to me that he is out of his depth. If we stick with him then next season will be a right off before it starts.

Appalling team selections
Appalling tactics
Appalling substitutions
No clear style of play
No attacking intent
A team that looks under coached

All things that Ole is responsible for.

2-3 key signings aren’t going to fix shit if the managerial team continues to underperform/look out of its depth.
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Now that is just nonsense.
 
Solskjaer now has the worst win ratio of any permanent Manchester United manager with 28%
 
devilish said:
Solskjaer now has the worst win ratio of any permanent Manchester United manager with 28%
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This takes the crown jewel for manipulating statistics. As a caretaker he has a 73.7% win rate and overall puts him at 61.5% since taking over.
 
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