I'll take a reasonable approach and judge him once he's had a preseason and a transfer window.
Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion
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As I said I prefer a manager who gives youngsters a chance, so i don't really have a problem with our manager giving them a chance. You only improve when you play, so I have no problem as long as we sort out our urgent problems.
I was impressed how we setup tonight - mind you, I am one of his strongest critic.
Sadly the quality just wasn't there and DDG continues to drop the ball. Lingard should have scored and any decent strikers will score that 2 chances. Should have started McT to help Fred.
Sadly the quality just wasn't there and DDG continues to drop the ball. Lingard should have scored and any decent strikers will score that 2 chances. Should have started McT to help Fred.
The run we're on is definitely our worst in post Fergie era and even numbers wise worse than the LVG famous crap run in November and December. We're not even fun to watch.
Ole deserves part of criticism from it but not sure how much it's. These players are running out of excuses. They can't keep using the manager as a shield from criticism. It's time to realize they're simply shite.
Ole deserves part of criticism from it but not sure how much it's. These players are running out of excuses. They can't keep using the manager as a shield from criticism. It's time to realize they're simply shite.
Every time I've seen them they look just like wengers team. Don't see the difference as Emery's sevilla and psg didn't play the way arsenal do right now which is the same way arsenal played last season.
Younger players need to be good enough though. We aren't a school.
So you think you've seen enough that you would place him in charge of selling off 5-7 members of this squad, bringing in 3-5 more and using £100-200m of revenue to do that? That's my issue. There's nothing for him to build on. If he was offering a clear system, a clear vision of how he wants us to play and it was obvious that we needed a new RB or RW to make that work better, then fair enough, but I have literally no clue what it is Ole is trying to do. I love the guy. I want to give him the benefit of the doubt, but there's absolutely nothing there right now.
Just to be clear. I hope we beat Chelsea. I hope we beat Huddersfield and Cardiff, and we see where that leaves us in terms of the CL. I hope he shows us how he wants United to build, but right now I have no reason to have faith in that he can do any of those things.
If he does not buy 4 players to walk straight into our first team then I have no faith at all in him still being here by January. A mockery of a club right now from top to bottom. Very worrying times indeed.
Ole will need a bigger summer than he thinks.
We're in free fall and too many of these players aren't playing for him now and we can't even have a shot on goal and our keeper is waving the goals in.
Roy Keane was saying these players will throw Ole under the bus just like Jose.
We're looking like the next AC Milan
We're in free fall and too many of these players aren't playing for him now and we can't even have a shot on goal and our keeper is waving the goals in.
Roy Keane was saying these players will throw Ole under the bus just like Jose.
We're looking like the next AC Milan
100%.
I agree with your point on Mourinho, and you're probably one of the very few posters I shared similar opinions with during Mourinho era, both positive and negative but I think you're way too harsh on Ole.
These players are just crap all around including those who got overly defended and protected by people here. Time to realize it wasn't Mourinho's fault, nor Ole's now. It's simply those gutless bastards fault.
I don't think any manager is going to succeed at United. We're one of the worst jobs among big teams and imo any manager is destined to fail here.
I wish I could see what you do.
Set up was decent in the first half but the subs were a bit late (was it 82nd minute or something?). I'm behind him but he needs to be backed in the summer.
They still play a posession game, but has differences to Wenger's. They have a lot more physicality to their game and they are more intense in the press - to name a few.
Regardless though - it's a style which is evident. Clear direction. Under Ole, it's not quite Mourinho football, it's not really much of anything tbh. We can't play on the ground, we don't try to play in the air. We just kind of sit deep and hope we can hold on until the opposition over commits and we can find Rashford or Lukaku/Lingard in a channel to run the whole pitch.
What the hell is he doing with the subs? From 0-1 the attacking change sshould have been made immediately. What is 80 min sub supposed to achieve?
Pep took his DM off because he can see we offered no threat and we got schooled.
His blind favoring of the english players is also something I don't support. Still back him to sort the mess and find solution but I don't like these.
Pep took his DM off because he can see we offered no threat and we got schooled.
His blind favoring of the english players is also something I don't support. Still back him to sort the mess and find solution but I don't like these.
Don't they sell those red tinted glasses around town?
It won't happen. We'll sign a marketable player for an inflated fee, blowing most of our budget. This will then lead to us haggling over other players and missing out on one or two. We seem to love doing that one big signing that gets all the social media interaction and hype going, I don't know exactly who it comes from but I have an idea.
I thought Ole was supposed to be an attack minded coach? All I see is negative tactics and defensive football.
After seeing the sorry displays of this shower of shit for the last month, 4 transfer windows leeway is the absolute bare minimum I'd give him.
Failing managers might not get 2 years, but those cnuts on the pitch have been failing us for 6. 4 managers have come and gone and these lot have got away with it. I think this is the final season where they can be allowed to coast and heads will finally roll.
I agree to an extent. We have quality in this side, it's been shown in flashes. We just haven't given a chance to any managers with a distinct style of attacking play to utilise them to their fullest. It's no surprise players who look great at their teams struggle when they join us. We are terribly coached.
Ole's brand of managerial football was never that of excellent, drilled attack. His Molde sides weren't even like that, so people thinking money and time is going to change anything are going to be mistaken. It is going to be football not too dissimilar to what rightly got Mourinho sacked. Go for it against the minnows, tuck your tails in between your legs against anyone that can compete. It's simply not enough given the competition we have in Europe and England anymore.
Teams are far too strong and rich, the top teams aspire to dominate every game they play. That is what we need to be aiming for. His football has never been that type, nor has he shown anything to suggest his football here will be the same either.
Liverpool when Klopp first joined where showing progress towards his style. Pep was showing progress towards his style. We aren't seeing any semblance of a progressive style under Ole. If anything our football is getting worse game by game.
Regardless of the quality of our players, a clear progressive style should be evident.
Well he better improve tactically and with his coaches on the training field because he seems lost. His subs are shockingly timed and he is obviously not giving any youth a chance although he sings their praises. He went full Jose today to try and nick a one nil. We are just a terrible team right now and could lose all remaining games on this form. I wouldn’t be champing at the bit to sign for United unless I was a fan. Summer window will be tough.
For all the people that ask for him to be given X transfer windows or X millions. Doesn't any of you see the potential downswide of this ? The way this has been thrown around would make you think that this is absolutely risk free.
I have noticed that his subs are slow. And he often makes subs that make no sense, often like for like. Mou got his starting tactics wrong so often, but he changed the game with his subs so many times I lost count.
I don't think quality is our main problem. Yeah some players are purely shite in terms of quality, but the main problem is even our good players are as I called then, gutless and spineless bastards who are so moody and play inconsistently most of time. When it's their day it's great but when they aren't in mood or don't care, they bring the worst out of any thing you'll expect a terrible footballer will do. These players are gutless, and I don't understand why people were angry with Mourinho bashing them in public.
I bet Mourinho, being used to deal with winners and top characters, got absolutely pissed off of how terrible these players mentally are and how they only play when they're on mood that he decided to bash them in public to try and get a reaction, the only reaction he got was them sacking him. Yes, I agree 100% with Mourinho bashing those bastards in the media. They didn't give a shite about the club results and served us dross under several managers so why defend them against public bashing ? They deserve this shite.
As for Ole, I agree to extent he doesn't have a definitive style. Looks like he's our poor man's Zidane and he's showing one of the reasons why I didn't want Zidane here despite his immense success which is lack of style and playing each game as it's. He's definitely not the offensive manager people kept asking for and he seems overly pragmatic and defensive. He used some formations and tactics Mourinho would have been proud of. Simply a younger version of Mourinho without the antics, ego and a bit happier.
However the problem is I don't even know if these players can hold on and perform a specific system week in week out under a manager with definite style, with their moody and inconsistent performance. Will Pep be able to apply his possession system with these players ? I think he'll be fed up with them x10 times faster than Mourinho himself.
So even though I think Ole deserves his fair share of criticism, as I thought with Mourinho, manager is the least thing to worry about in the club. Players and Ed are far bigger problem, as we don't seem to be able to get rid of both unlike any incompetent manager. They're staying and fecking up every manager's job.
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Some damning stats that though.
Just gotta wait and see what happens when he gets the chance to bring players in, ship some out and have a full pre-season.
Too many question marks over the quality of some players and the attitude of others to judge this. After the bounce we've simply got the exact same problems we had under Mourinho so he's not created them.
Too many question marks over the quality of some players and the attitude of others to judge this. After the bounce we've simply got the exact same problems we had under Mourinho so he's not created them.
Pre-season is likely to be heavily curtailed by Europa League qualifiers, no? Don't they start in July?
It's not about me or Ole. The decision (making him manager) was emotional at best. He won some odd games then got the job.
I'm not saying Ole shouldn't be United manager but the trial should've always been the end of the season. If by then he showed sign of progression then good but the board didn't even take long to make up their mind on a key decision after 3 failed managerial appointments in a row. You thought they'd learn but NO and nothing so far has suggested they will either
Do you tell me you trust these people on the top to back Ole in the years to come after that? Ole's being set up to fail, mate and I will always call them out whenever I can. Try fecking stop me.
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I'm expecting to see more attacking football with time. I don't think we have seen him at his best yet, the stats of how we have been getting outrun are quite telling when you consider that this is the opposite of what Ole wants. Whether he will achieve it or not is up for debate - but I certainly think he should be given a chance to put in the work that's needed in pre season and see how it goes.
He doesn't put emphasis on slower buildup so it's likely the bigger games will continue to be approached in a counter attacking manner, but hopefully with greater attacking threat than seen so far.
I am not gonna say that appointing him was a mistake but fecking hell we have been absolutely shite for majority of the games Ole was in charge, even some of them that we won. Some of the tactical decisions are just naive and plain stupid (like today, unless he wanted us to lose) and whoever thinks that something will change after the preseason is in for a shock as it won’t.
I feel so sad saying this, that losing does not even make that much of a difference these days, since we are so used to it as a club. Before i go towards our issues. I want to say that, the mess we are in, started from SAF days. I love the guy, but when football was changing towards technically sound teams, and prices were reasonable and City were buying Aguero, Silva, Toure, Kompany etc or Bayern were buying Robben and Ribbery and Madrid were buying Galacticos, he brought out the no value thing, and we signed poor players in his last few years except Rvp that got us the title.
After he was gone, the others came in and did the same, no direction, no identity, all of the managers bought players without identifying what style of play they want to play and how they can make us progressive. E.g Moyes signed Fellani and Mata two.players who could not be more different in style. Only handful of players (Blind, Bastian, Zlatan and Pogba, Herrera) could be identified as players we signed who had an ounce of techinical ability between them.
Now Ole, is in a catch-22 situation, where his quality players (Sanchez, Pogba, Martial) are lazy and moody and only turn up when they feel like. Whereas the other half "the grafters" can run alot but are not good enough and could keep.playing till weekend and wont score.
Now there are several concerning things:
1) He seems to prefer hardworkers (Lingard, Young, Rashford) etc.
2) Secondly the easy way out of this situation is to make wholesale squad changes and let go the grafters and bring in technically sound players which he is not willing to do apparently.
Thus, unless he identifies that, inorder to be on equal footing to Barca, Liverpool and City we need players who are great technically and keep the ball and move the other team around when pressed and not look like a deer in headlight, we won't succeed and will.have to resort to cowardly tactics at home.
Another problem.is from the defence to attack so many are awful technically that we can't build up pressure. So lets look at the players who are good enough to play progressive football.
Lindelof, Shaw, Pogba, Herrera and Martial. Another concerning thing to note is from these players is, Lindelof i am.still not convinced about, while Pogba and Herrera wants to go. Martial does not seem to have a drive in him.
To conclude, Ole sadly looks too friendly and not ruthless to be able to carry out the necessary changes that needs to he done. We at bare minimum need atleast 6 first team players, otherwise we will continue fighting for 4th.
After he was gone, the others came in and did the same, no direction, no identity, all of the managers bought players without identifying what style of play they want to play and how they can make us progressive. E.g Moyes signed Fellani and Mata two.players who could not be more different in style. Only handful of players (Blind, Bastian, Zlatan and Pogba, Herrera) could be identified as players we signed who had an ounce of techinical ability between them.
Now Ole, is in a catch-22 situation, where his quality players (Sanchez, Pogba, Martial) are lazy and moody and only turn up when they feel like. Whereas the other half "the grafters" can run alot but are not good enough and could keep.playing till weekend and wont score.
Now there are several concerning things:
1) He seems to prefer hardworkers (Lingard, Young, Rashford) etc.
2) Secondly the easy way out of this situation is to make wholesale squad changes and let go the grafters and bring in technically sound players which he is not willing to do apparently.
Thus, unless he identifies that, inorder to be on equal footing to Barca, Liverpool and City we need players who are great technically and keep the ball and move the other team around when pressed and not look like a deer in headlight, we won't succeed and will.have to resort to cowardly tactics at home.
Another problem.is from the defence to attack so many are awful technically that we can't build up pressure. So lets look at the players who are good enough to play progressive football.
Lindelof, Shaw, Pogba, Herrera and Martial. Another concerning thing to note is from these players is, Lindelof i am.still not convinced about, while Pogba and Herrera wants to go. Martial does not seem to have a drive in him.
To conclude, Ole sadly looks too friendly and not ruthless to be able to carry out the necessary changes that needs to he done. We at bare minimum need atleast 6 first team players, otherwise we will continue fighting for 4th.
Someone told me June 27th in other thread.
This
Europa League qualifiers 
Can we please drop out, absolute nightmare
Can we please drop out, absolute nightmare
Some damning stats that though.
Let him go ffs.
Madrid did it with their most recent manager.
Let him go and bring in someone who has least shown they can handle the PL.
I'd take Eddie fecking Howe at this point - gladly, in fact.
These were my thoughts too. I think tactically we were setup correctly and we had a few chances to score. But our players unfortunately are not good enough to convert these chances. I do however think that ole should have brought on the subs much earlier, also he needs to stop relying on lingard!
I just wonder if he has it in him to stop the rot. The team are in free-fall.
Extraction from norwegian paper VG. Quickly translated by google and myself so don't call the grammar police.
This is one of the things OGS needs to adress, imo.
This is one of the things OGS needs to adress, imo.
Big summer ahead for Ole and club.
I think he does need to bring in 6/7 Players in this summer if he wants to close the gap on city and Liverpool like he is talking about. We are well behind in our playing style, scoring goals and conceding goals and quality of players at the club. Miles away at moment and gap will only get bigger.
I think he does need to bring in 6/7 Players in this summer if he wants to close the gap on city and Liverpool like he is talking about. We are well behind in our playing style, scoring goals and conceding goals and quality of players at the club. Miles away at moment and gap will only get bigger.
At this point in time I do not believe that Ole has the group of players who for a number of reasons can deliver his vision of how Utd., should play. He needs time to gather those players around him and develop his playing systems. Will he be given the support and financial back from the owners and the support from the fan base is another question. If he is not given the owners support then he will fail, this does not mean just financial support to bring players in but to get rid of players who do not meet his plans for the future either in their skills or mental attitude.
The starting line up next season will be interesting and will be very telling if the owners have backed Ole, because if he squad is made up of 95% of the present squad then if I was Ole I would tender my resignation.
The starting line up next season will be interesting and will be very telling if the owners have backed Ole, because if he squad is made up of 95% of the present squad then if I was Ole I would tender my resignation.
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