Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion

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bosnian_red said:
People are overreacting. Theres plenty to be positive about with Ole, and it's looking very likely that we'll have big changes this summer which is a good sign. No manager can come in and get us competing for the title right away, there will be bad runs of form but we want to see long term improvement and direction once he has time to shape the squad. The squad is currently a mess and we need a massive turnover. We'll see how it goes, but I personally cant wait and am far more excited for next season compared to this season. If we get top 4, all the better for it, but it was always a long shot given where we were when he took over so it's not the end of the world if we dont.

He, like any manager that wouldve taken over last December, had pretty much a free go of it for this half season, and only next season can be fairly judged. Weve seen 2 extremes this season, on the whole a pretty decent output still. We'll see if we can make something out of the season in the last 3 games, but we need to get behind him for a reasonable amount of time, not everyone flip out because of 1 bad month.
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We lost 7 matches out of our last 9, our worst ever run of games of the post Fergie era tie to tie with LVG dreadful 8 winless games run in November and December. Didn't score for 4 straight hours and no goals from open play in 8 hours, 6 points from last 18, 6th in the league and out of every competition and we are not even fun to watch.

But overreacting..

People have every right to start questioning what is served on the pitch in such circumstances whatever we agree on them or not. There's no overreacting when people question manager over such awful form.

And let's be honest if he had went through this run without getting appointed and was still and interim manager now, I doubt most of us would have persisted with the opinion of giving him the job. Most of us would have changed our mind.
 
Eddy_JukeZ said:
Potentially, but there were reports of Ole letting Carrick/McKenna give him some input for the first few games. Obviously the players were fired up after Jose left, but there was some undeniable 'structure' to our play at the very least.

We looked better coached.
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Yep. This is what I said almost a month ago.

In Rainbows said:
Thing is, do we know Ole wants that kind of football? For example, our first game under Ole he barely had any influence. McKenna and Carrick took over. That was our most progressive performance. Little by little we've gone into a counter attacking team no matter the opposition, with hardly any pressing, and much slower passing.

It's a good question to ask and I'm not trying to sour people on Ole. I'm still positive about Ole. I'm just trying to figure out what he wants his side to be like.
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My other negative (which I said at the time we were on a high) was that Ole talks constantly about the youth, but he doesn't really play them much. He prefers old crap players who are on the way out over a young player. That's a fact. Until he proves otherwise, that's a question mark.


Still think he needs a transfer window and preseason because he could very well be a progressive manager.
 
abdo99 said:
What the hell is he doing with the subs? From 0-1 the attacking change sshould have been made immediately. What is 80 min sub supposed to achieve?
Pep took his DM off because he can see we offered no threat and we got schooled.

His blind favoring of the english players is also something I don't support. Still back him to sort the mess and find solution but I don't like these.
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His timing of subs is constantly awful. Just doesn’t react and not proactive.
 
P9 W2 L7 GF6 GA18

P7 W2 L5 GF5 GA14 (Since made permanent)

P6 W2 L4 GF5 GA12 (In the league)

That's an atrocious record whichever way you want to look at it. It's relegation form in the league and we were humbled in both the cup competitions. Haven't scored a goal in our last three games and I doubt we got many shots on target either. Awful..simply fecking awful.

I don't get this prevailing idea of how a manager has to have a transfer window under his belt before he can be judged. We cannot give every manager we sign a 300m kitty before they can start do the basics. Our expectations from the incumbents should be much higher. If Ole spends 300m in the next window and fails, will the next manager also require another 300m before he can judged? At what point are we going to put onus on the coaching to get us out of these vicious circles?
If our squad wasn't as good as the starting run, it isn't as bad as this run either. A good manager should have been able to stop the rot at some stage.

"Effort", "attitude", "running", "expectations from a united player" - these buzz words are simply not enough. Actually they sound like somthing a midtable manager would say. Players need to be coached. A Pep or Klopp team is simply not getting by based on these.

I am afraid this is not looking good. The decision to give Ole the permanent job before the end of the season is looking worse by the day.
 
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If you remember what Klopp's team was like when he took over from Rodgers, there was an instant recognition of his system on the pitch even if the performances were abysmal. Likewise, if Ole had a vision, we would be seeing it in some rudimentary form. Heck, even Sarri has a clear style, its' just that their fans don't like it.

And Ole is also not helping himself by coddling the English and local players. Time to tell "Rashy" he isn't good enough to start.

My opinion is that if the new contract doesn't kick in before May, rip it up now and hire someone capable. But if he does continue next season, I will back him of course. At the end of the day, its' not Ole's fault, more on Woodward.

Dansk said:
People were almost unanimously ready to hand him the keys after ten games, and many are now ready to get rid of him after another ten. Can anyone seriously say that we've seen enough to have been correct about one assessment or the other? Doesn't anyone remember that SAF, widely regarded as the best manager of all time, floundered for six years and was nearly sacked? Sure, the circumstances are different, but not that different after all. Sometimes a football club's culture can be so rotten that it takes years of work to sort out. If we keep rifling through managers like this, it'll never be sorted out.
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We wanted him as permanent manager at the end of the season if he sustained good form and played good football. Not after 10 games, and definitely not after being knocked out of the FA Cup. It was already getting ominous then.
 
Kapardin said:
If you remember what Klopp's team was like when he took over from Rodgers, there was an instant recognition of his system on the pitch even if the performances were abysmal. Likewise, if Ole had a vision, we would be seeing it in some rudimentary form. Heck, even Sarri has a clear style, its' just that their fans don't like it.

And Ole is also not helping himself by coddling the English and local players. Time to tell "Rashy" he isn't good enough to start.

My opinion is that if the new contract doesn't kick in before May, rip it up now and hire someone capable. But if he does continue next season, I will back him of course. At the end of the day, its' not Ole's fault, more on Woodward.
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Rashford isn’t good enough to play up front so we should play ______?
 
Wumminator said:
Rashford isn’t good enough to play up front so we should play ______?
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I am not saying bin Rashford immediately. Obviously we have no choice for the next 4 games. But stop stoking his ego and building him up to be a future Ronaldo. Ole's comments already seem to imply Rashford is the future of the club when he is nowhere near that level.
 
Kapardin said:
I am not saying bin Rashford immediately. Obviously we have no choice for the next 4 games. But stop stoking his ego and building him up to be a future Ronaldo. Ole's comments already seem to imply Rashford is the future of the club when he is nowhere near that level.
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Right. So one of Ole’s main mistake has been to big up the talents of his best young player.
 
Wumminator said:
Right. So one of Ole’s main mistake has been to big up the talents of his best young player.
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Of course. Our "best young player" is nowhere near the required level, even for his age. That's if you consider PL and CL as our ambition. If you want Top 4 and the occasional domestic cup/EL win, fine.
 
Kapardin said:
Of course. Our "best young player" is nowhere near the required level, even for his age. That's if you consider PL and CL as our ambition. If you want Top 4 and the occasional domestic cup/EL win, fine.
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You didn’t answer the question of who you’d like to see playing instead. Lukaku? Sanchez? Martial??
 
The finer points I have noticed regarding Ole's United Managerial career are

  • He plays favourites as in the likes of Rashford, Lingard and Young will always play no matter what . He seems reluctant to drop them which can lead to his downfall .
  • There is tactical naivety but he takes lessons from it too . He learns from his losses even though it won't show but he does prepare well in the next game trying out new tactics which his players let him down in the field . You can see when we played Wolves in FA cup we lost and then in the return match against Wolves next week he upgraded the tactics which worked well till Young got a red . Same thing happened against Barca . He set us up well at Nou Camp but in the end his players let him down . His tactical naivety is that he always screws up his substitutions and waits too long to make changes also he doesn't mixes it up in 2nd halves when he knows we always start 2nd half under pressure .
  • Suddenly there is a casual atmosphere you look at Rashford and others they seem to take it easy and the passion seems lost .
  • Just like Mourinho Ole is always now looking at individual brilliance to save our asses . He seemed to have a tactical attack plan when he started off but now he is also seems to rely on individuals to bail him out .
 
Untied said:
You didn’t answer the question of who you’d like to see playing instead. Lukaku? Sanchez? Martial??
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You didn't also understand what I was saying. I said, start Rashford as we have no choice, but don't big up his ego to make him think he is going to be our main player for the forseeable future.
 
Kapardin said:
You didn't also understand what I was saying. I said, start Rashford as we have no choice, but don't big up his ego to make him think he is going to be our main player for the forseeable future.
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So just to make it clear, you think Rashford is our best attacker, but we should also tell him he’s not good enough to start at this point?

Fair enough.
 
Wumminator said:
So just to make it clear, you think Rashford is our best attacker, but we should also tell him he’s not good enough to start at this point?

Fair enough.
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He's the best attacker out of a lot that isn't fit for midtable. And yes, we shouldn't give him guarantees of being a starter for next season, and send him out on loan. If he refuses and looks for another club, so be it.

Any big club would do this.
 
Kapardin said:
He's the best attacker out of a lot that isn't fit for midtable. And yes, we shouldn't give him guarantees of being a starter for next season, and send him out on loan. If he refuses and looks for another club, so be it.

Any big club would do this.
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I’m liking this plan. We send Rashford (our best attacker) out on loan next season.

What do you do with Sanchez, Lukaku and Lingard who by your own admission are not as good as rashford?
 
Wumminator said:
I’m liking this plan. We send Rashford (our best attacker) out on loan next season.

What do you do with Sanchez, Lukaku and Lingard who by your own admission are not as good as rashford?
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The consensus is that none of them are good, Rashford included, so I don't know what you are getting at. We are shit, in case you haven't noticed. Your sarcasm is not working at all.:lol:

We need to buy a whole new forward line. Of course, not something Woodward would do, but that's besides the point.

Our best attacker -- its' like saying the kid who scores 30/100 is better than the one who scores 20/100.:rolleyes:
 
Kapardin said:
The consensus is that none of them are good, Rashford included, so I don't know what you are getting at. We are shit, in case you haven't noticed. Your sarcasm is not working at all.:lol:

We need to buy a whole new forward line. Of course, not something Woodward would do, but that's besides the point.

Our best attacker -- its' like saying the kid who scores 30/100 is better than the one who scores 20/100.:rolleyes:
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Ok so your strategy for Solskjaer is to literally buy an entire new forward line and also improve the rest of his squad.

Fair enough. You’re someone who thinks every striker we have is not good enough to play for us but also think Ole should be doing more.
 
Rashford is our best attacker even though he only scored 13 goals in 44 matches. I guess we now know why we are shite.
 
Wumminator said:
Ok so your strategy for Solskjaer is to literally buy an entire new forward line and also improve the rest of his squad.

Fair enough.
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Yep. Glad you finally understood it.

el3mel said:
Rashford is our best attacker even though he only scored 13 goals in 44 matches. I guess we now know why we are shite.
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Mediocrity has been accepted as the norm. Woodward is a magician in one way though, he has somehow managed to lower expectations of all our fans.
 
ErranMorad said:
P9 W2 L7 GF6 GA18

P7 W2 L5 GF5 GA14 (Since made permanent)

P6 W2 L4 GF5 GA12 (In the league)

That's an atrocious record whichever way you want to look at it. It's relegation form in the league and we were humbled in both the cup competitions. Haven't scored a goal in our last three games and I doubt we got many shots on target either. Awful..simply fecking awful.

I don't get this prevailing idea of how a manager has to have a transfer window under his belt before he can be judged. We cannot give every manager we sign a 300m kitty before they can start do the basics. Our expectations from the incumbents should be much higher. If Ole spends 300m in the next window and fails, will the next manager also require another 300m before he can judged? At what point are we going to put onus on the coaching to get us out of these vicious circles?
If our squad wasn't as good as the starting run, it isn't as bad as this run either. A good manager should have been able to stop the rot at some stage.

"Effort", "attitude", "running", "expectations from a united player" - these buzz words are simply not enough. Actually they sound like somthing a midtable manager would say. Players need to be coached. A Pep or Klopp team is simply not getting by based on these.

I am afraid this is not looking good. The decision to give Ole the permanent job before the end of the season is looking worse by the day.
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Brilliant post. I really have no idea why we aren't ever talking about coaching, it's always buy this player, sell everyone, every manager needs backing. It's really stupid. We are seeing managers like Nuno getting by with an even weaker squad. Our basics haven't improved at all. The last time I saw our team trying to pass was under LvG.
 
What has Ole achieved in his managerial experience that people are so convinced he will be able to move us up a level or two?
I’m not convinced he has anything to be able to achieve that. Coupled with quite an inexperienced back room team (aside from Phelan, who hasn’t signed on yet), this could be a major factor in the ability to recruit good players.
I’ve not seen anything to suggest he has been tactically efficient this last few months. We’ve been pulled apart by West Ham at home recently and not even made it a game against clubs we are trying to mix with. The players are poor but we’ve seen them play better. A decent manager should be making us harder to beat or more compact instead of how we are currently playing. The big criticism when he was at Cardiff was the lack of attempts at goal and here we are again.
We will all blame the players but Ole isn’t the man for us.
 
Kapardin said:
Yep. Glad you finally understood it.



Mediocrity has been accepted as the norm. Woodward is a magician in one way though, he has somehow managed to lower expectations of all our fans.
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Well. Some here wanted to go with Rashford as our main CF next season. I guess some at this point are enjoying struggling to finish 4th and want more of it the upcoming seasons. We are going to serve them that for sure, no worry.
 
redshaw said:
Ole will need a bigger summer than he thinks.

We're in free fall and too many of these players aren't playing for him now and we can't even have a shot on goal and our keeper is waving the goals in.

Roy Keane was saying these players will throw Ole under the bus just like Jose.

We're looking like the next AC Milan
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Ole needs to be ruthless in the summer and really prune this squad off all the past it, can't be arsed players. He has to shut his eyes to sentimentality and loyalty, because if he doesn't he will be gone. He has to be his own man and not keep clinging to SAF's apron strings.
 
soapythecat said:
What has Ole achieved in his managerial experience that people are so convinced he will be able to move us up a level or two?
I’m not convinced he has anything to be able to achieve that. Coupled with quite an inexperienced back room team (aside from Phelan, who hasn’t signed on yet), this could be a major factor in the ability to recruit good players.
I’ve not seen anything to suggest he has been tactically efficient this last few months. We’ve been pulled apart by West Ham at home recently and not even made it a game against clubs we are trying to mix with. The players are poor but we’ve seen them play better. A decent manager should be making us harder to beat or more compact instead of how we are currently playing. The big criticism when he was at Cardiff was the lack of attempts at goal and here we are again.
We will all blame the players but Ole isn’t the man for us.
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Not sure he does have the ability, but he has now had a good look at the players and he should be the one to get rid of the under-performers. If they brought another manager in, it would just end up the usual him having to look at the players etc and we will not get out of this vicious circle.
 
I love Ole to bits, he gave me my greatest memory of sport in 99... but it’s nostalgia gone mad right now without any thought to critique. We need fresh ideas and a modern identity. He’s obviously not the man to bring it. 1 shot on target against that city backline is disgraceful at home for us.

Phelan playing his cards nicely & seemingly favourite to get the director of football job, the whole place feels like a old boys club & I don’t like it one bit.

If we are ever gonna bring coaches back long term surely Queiroz & Maulensteen should be front of the queue since they actually vastly improved our club once upon a time on the pitch?
We need new blood, new ideas and big investment both on and off the pitch.
 
The only issue I have with Ole is that he is relying too much on Rashy, Jesse, Paul (as he call them)

He came in December and almost always played the same team letting players in the bench with low confidence.

Now that Ander is gone and Matic is buried, we can only see Fred playing in midfield… He should have used him more and build his confidence before.

I have issues with him being too nice, and to respectful of Jones, Smalling, Young, Lingard, Rashford and Pogba.

The survival of the fittest he said….
 
DomesticTadpole said:
Not sure he does have the ability, but he has now had a good look at the players and he should be the one to get rid of the under-performers. If they brought another manager in, it would just end up the usual him having to look at the players etc and we will not get out of this vicious circle.
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There was no need to assess how shit many of our players are
 
We have hit the rough patch and on a losing streak but for some reason I have faith in him to turn it around.

He has right ideas, that the team should be fittest, work harder than anyone in the league, attack with pace and numbers and he mentioned it many times that we are not able to work on fitness because of lack of time and also said he didn't try to change much (I think he changed and when we lost half of the team, he went back to shit tactics of not playing with intensity)

With preseason and time to work on fitness and all, I think we will be much better team next season when our players (new and existing) won't be gassed after half an hour.
 
kouroux said:
There was no need to assess how shit many of our players are
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Some have been shit for years and nothing has happened to them. This must be the longest assessment ever. In fact they have been rewarded for it. Being a great lad seems to be all it takes.
 
We simply can’t afford to lose to Chelsea. In the league under him we only scored one goal so far against the other big five clubs, so scoring would be a start.

Chelsea haven’t been great themselves, but I hope we take the game to them rather than playing like underdogs.
 
kouroux said:
I'm in "full doubt" mode if I'm being honest.
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It’s difficult not to have some doubt. I’m sure some of the player have some doubts as well. At the end of the day you have to be winning games, you can talk and sound as good as you like.
 
haram said:
If he does not win the next three games...
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...then he still did well to close the gap of 11 or 12 points from 4th when he took over. It'd be a shame if we missed out now with all our rivals dropping points, but he wasn't given the job because he had secured 4th. It is important to have a manager that the players like and respect, and unless he loses the dressing room he isn't going anywhere this season.
 
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