Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion

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Wumminator said:
We missed an open goal ffs. We had better chances than them.

Why focus on recently at all? Why nine games? Why not fifteen?

You were just complaining that Bristol City did better than us. That’s as good as it gets against City for us atm. We beat them away last year and played worse than that.
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Focus on all 25. 15 wins and 8 losses isnt great. Especially when we've only beaten the leagues worst teams and that, too, by struggling.
 
Don't think the tactics was bad today. Although he didn't really do anything to turn the game around.
Confidence seems gone and Ole seems unable to turn the momentum around right now.

I got 0 confidence in our strikers/anyone scoring for us right now. That is a massive problem.
 
Wumminator said:
I didn’t say it was.

I’m saying he has been successful elsewhere.

He’s been successful in every managerial role... apart from Cardiff.
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Until now Molde was literally his only other management role, it's quite clear doing well with Molde doesn't equate to what Pep or Guardiola have done, it's not a strong defence.
 
Closer to the top four than when he took over, and performed well in the champions league and FA cup (bar wolves match)
A bad run with an injury hit team doesn't change that.
 
No more than 1 shot on target in 3 of the last 5 games.

Unprecedented levels of shit football.

It maybe the players but if they weren’t even this bad under Jose, were they?

Must be hard to buy into tactics from a manager with a track record of relegation in this league. Will be even harder to convince these players he knows what he’s doing now.

He needs sacking along with a handful of the first team.
 
Ok, we tried with manager from Norway league. Maybe we can now try with some manager from Sweden? Who knows, maybe they have some coach who smiles even more than Ole. Yes, it will be really really really hard to learn him about United way and all that, but we can try.
 
Does anyone seriously think poch would improve this side? We're abysmal! Ole has been dealt a bad hand and calling for his head without giving him a window is just stupid. The squad needs gutted with a brand new backline needed! This won't be fixed next year, it's down to the crap recruitment.
 
soapythecat said:
No more than 1 shot on target in 3 of the last 5 games.

Unprecedented levels of shit football.

It maybe the players but if they weren’t even this bad under Jose, were they?

Must be hard to buy into tactics from a manager with a track record of relegation in this league. Will be even harder to convince these players he knows what he’s doing now.

He needs sacking along with a handful of the first team.
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Did you not watch us under Ole?
 
Mcking said:
In defence of Ole, has any team ever had a tougher run of fixtures?
PSG
Arsenal
Wolves
Watford
Wolves
Barca
West Ham
Barca
Everton
Man City
Chelsea
That's brutal.
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Yes, well losing 4 would have done, not 7!
 
Bojan11 said:
Stop comparing him to Pep.

Pep and Klopp have had success elsewhere with other teams.
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Klopp was also relegated with Mainz and Pep has only been at clubs where he's had everything handed to him so it's hard to judge what Pep would do at a mess of a club (at the time) in Cardiff.

I don't disagree with what you're saying though, Ole is unproven at the top level unlike Klopp and Pep there's no denying it but to totally write him off already is silly in my opinion. This is still very much Mourinho's team and you can see that with our fitness levels.
 
fallengt said:
2 wins - 7 losses since PSG away.
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The strange thing is that we can't bloody score since that game. We have chances, but miss them or mess things up. Getting a win like that should give us confidence, but for us it seem to have drained it all.
 
Cheesy said:
I'm certain we wouldn't have lost 7/9. And if we had - Klopp and Pep at least have credentials which warrant a lot more faith. There's no evidence Ole's really cut out for this, much as I want him to be.
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So did, LVG and Jose.
 
He has to have a DoF or technical director behind him to help with shit, otherwise Woodward has already doomed him to fail in my opinion.

Have that system in so if OGS doesn’t work out, we don’t have to write off an entire season for it and we can get a stopgap or a new long term manager in with ease and without having to worry about yet another style of play change.

Pick a style, stick to it, buy players who fit that style, hire managers who employ that style. Don’t completely reinvent the wheel every time it breaks.
 
Beyond criticising and falling out with the players I'm struggling to think of a single common complaint on here that doesn't now apply to Ole.

Park the bus football, embarrassing possession, outplayed by lesser teams, few shots on target, not getting the best out of Martial, not getting the best out of Pogba, playing the older experienced, leaky defence...i could go on.

He sold Fellaini so there's that i guess. If we hadn't appointed him he wouldn't have got the job this summer
 
Minimalist said:
That 'dude' won us the fecking treble. Managing a relegation candidate means feck all.
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If only that treble winning goal had any influence on his managerial capacity and results.

So carte blanche for us being shit, and now even carte blanche for relegating a team. impressive.
 
sullydnl said:
Meh. City are literally years ahead of us. Their superior quality was always likely to see anything Solskjaer did today end up failing.

That said, given that Solskjaer was appointed pretty much entirely based on his results with Manchester United, it's noteworthy that his results with Manchester United have seen us go from 6th (19 points behind 1st) to 6th (25 points behind 1st).
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All it says is Jose got 19 less points than Liverpool in 17 games whereas Solskjaer got just 5-7 points less than City/Pool in 18 games
 
The first half was spot on tactically if you're Watford. Not if you're Manchester fecking United at home. The lowering of expectations to where having 2 touches in an opponent's penalty area but limiting their chances is a job well done over 45 minutes is the same fecking trap we fell into with Jose. It's just seems more acceptable this time around because Ole's cuddlier than Mourinho was.
 
Tom Van Persie said:
Klopp was also relegated with Mainz and Pep has only been at clubs where he's had everything handed to him so it's hard to judge what Pep would do at a mess of a club (at the time) in Cardiff.

I don't disagree with what you're saying though, Ole is unproven at the top level unlike Klopp and Pep there's no denying it but to totally write him off already is silly in my opinion. This is still very much Mourinho's team and you can see that with our fitness levels.
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Klopp won a Bundesliga against the mighty Bayern Munich and got Dortmund in the champions league final. They were one of the best teams to watch in Europe. Managing Molde isn’t quite the same.
 
The only upside to the recent run of results is that it brings back United to where the realistically are at. The results with Ole as caretaker showed the potential the side has but at the same time it gave a distorted view of the reality of what Jose left behind him.
This is at least a three year project for Ole. Look to bring in 2/3 top players into the first team each season. In parallel look to improve the quality of the squad beyond the starting 11. Start by making United hard to beat. Then add creativity and then firepower. He is going to need to recruit carefully.
To my mind only Lindelof and Shaw should remain as first 11 starters for the 21/22 season injuries and form permitting. Therefore he needs nine new first teamers which is not realistic to recruit in one season. For the coming season I would look for a new GK, CB and defensive midfielder.
 
liamp said:
The first half was spot on tactically if you're Watford. Not if you're Manchester fecking United at home. The lowering of expectations to where having 2 touches in an opponent's penalty area but limiting their chances is a job well done over 45 minutes is the same fecking trap we fell into with Jose. It's just seems more acceptable this time around because Ole's cuddlier than Mourinho was.
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Can you tell me who has done better tactically in the first half against City?
 
Ole might well be a good manager for all we know, but to trust him with a complete overhaul is a massive risk. We have to hope he gets it right because he's literally on his own to oversee the transition. We need to trust him to be firm with Woodward on his demands, but I don't think he would be. That's one of the obvious issues.
 
Wumminator said:
Who has ever said in any way it is quite the same?
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You implied it. When you said Ole has won stuff too. You wouldn't have mentioned it as a point if it wasn't thought to be in any way comparable to winning what Klopp or Pep had.
 
VP89 said:
Ole might well be a good manager for all we know, but to trust him with a complete overhaul is a massive risk. We have to hope he gets it right because he's literally on his own to oversee the transition. We need to trust him to be firm with Woodward on his demands, but I don't think he would be. That's one of the obvious issues.
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One of the obvious issues is a hypothetical situation that you think might happen?
 
Sitting back, disjointed attacks, crosses, hoofball. Is that OGS style? Smells like a mixture of Moyes and Mourinho to me.
 
I'm still behind Ole. I just hope the Board are ready to back him properly in terms of signings and in moving players on.

That being said, I'm not entirely confident we have the personnel to identify the right type of player.
 
Despite all the hysterics, I'd be surprised if Ole wasn't backed to the moon now after seeing some of these player performances of late. If Van Gaal can get a warchest to ring the changes, he can.
 
PSG away was a good milestone. That was the game won him the seat, has done nothing ever since.
Any Caf poster would have had similar results if he/she was to manage United.
 
Cheesy said:
Until now Molde was literally his only other management role, it's quite clear doing well with Molde doesn't equate to what Pep or Guardiola have done, it's not a strong defence.
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The Norwegian League is ranked as the 29th best league in Europe by UEFA, behind such giants as Belarus, Serbia, Cyprus and Kazakhstan.

You couldn't ask for better preparation for managing one of the biggest clubs in world football.
 
VP89 said:
You implied it. When you said Ole has won stuff too. You wouldn't have mentioned it as a point if it wasn't thought to be in any way comparable to winning what Klopp or Pep had.
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I absolutely did not imply it.

Here is the conversation.

“Pep and Klopp did well at previous clubs”

“So did Ole”

“Well Molde are not as good as Barcelona”
 
Cheesy said:
Again, even as someone extremely reluctant to get rid considering how reactionary it would feel, what's he done to actually warrant being worthy of making those signings in the summer?
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Well, when he came we were something like 10 points of 4th and now we have a chance of making top 4, I am sure he got the required points.to close the gap unless you're telling me those points don't matter anymore and only thing that matters is the games we've lost (teams mentioned in my post you quoted). If we didn't lose those games then we'd be on a championship winning form for the remainder of the season, which I highly doubt we have the squad to keep that level of consistency.

Of course by reading some of the posts on here you'd think we have Messi level players all over the pitch when most won't even get into spurs 11. No wonder those people are disappointed.
 
Cheesy said:
LVG was stubborn as feck and Mourinho had already demonstrated his ability to implode completely at Chelsea.
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And say if Poch or Klopp were appointed, similar argument would be made down the line that they won feck all in England, so they were wrong choices.

I just want to say that, I am not sure, if Ole is going to be a success. But I would not judge him based on these recent results, given that in December we were nowhere near top 4 and the season had ended. If we don't get top 4, its not on Ole, its on Jose. If we are in the same position next year, I would question him them.

I don't see any negative in appointing Ole mainly because, I don't think there is a magical solution and I strongly believe that anyone coming in will be at a similar disadvantage as him.
 
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