Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion

[Majima]

It's been clear for all to see this second half. Once the intensity died down, we've been shown up for the clueless team that we are.

Our whole plan seems to be just run a lot and not much else. If that fails... well we're screwed then. Has Ole even heard of a plan B? What's the point of making changes 10 mins to go?

7 losses in last 9. We've conceded 9 goals in 3 games since we last scored and those were lucky penalties.

We're going absolutely nowhere.

Ole is completely out of his depth.

 

[VP89]

You really live in FM don't you?

If the man in charge of bringing/selling those players is useless then he can't do anything, Same thing happened with previous managers.

I must retract that, not publicly of course. But in his own mind he must think we need wholesale changes. If he genuinely believes in the likes of Rashford to be top stars for us then it's a doubt for him as a manager. I cannot have faith in misjudgement like that.

 

[Wumminator]

This notion that you can't make comments or observations about a manager till he has spent 200m is new. Only on here. How do poor clubs evaluate their managers? I mean I understand wanting to hold off on a final conclusion but in the interim you can make a series of observations about things like racial decisions

You judge a manager on results. ole has drastically improved our results from earlier in the season, improved our playing style. Recently he’s struggled as we’ve had games against some of the best in the world.

 

[Cheesy]

In defence of Ole, has any team ever had a tougher run of fixtures?
PSG
Arsenal
Wolves
Watford
Wolves
Barca
West Ham
Barca
Everton
Man City
Chelsea
That's brutal.

It's a difficult run but we shouldn't be losing 7 out of 9. Especially not twice to Wolves and 4-0 to Everton. And by two goals or more to another three sides there.

 

[AJ10]

The issue is we losing all these games playing like Burnley. We shouldn’t be playing like Burnley. No idea why he switched to 5 at the back.

After those injuries we haven't played well but we did play vs Arsenal/Wolves (second game)/Barca (first game) and even tonight vs city but if you miss chances and give free goals then you're getting nothing from the game.

 

[Mister_Stubbs]

Some of you are a fecking embarrassment

Just like the club, the board, manager and players.

 

[Di Maria's angel]

Some of you are a fecking embarrassment

Nah, the entire club has that covered.

 

[Cheesy]

You judge a manager on results. ole has drastically improved our results from earlier in the season, improved our playing style. Recently he’s struggled as we’ve had games against some of the best in the world.

That's not been the case in a while now though. Losing 4-0 away to Everton isn't an improvement.

 

[Wumminator]

That's not been the case in a while now though. Losing 4-0 away to Everton isn't an improvement.

Obviously not. That was a horrendous performance. But, shit happens. Pep did the same a few years ago.

 

[Dr. StrangeHate]

If he was still the interim manager would anyone give him the job. Just ask yourself that question.

 

[Di Maria's angel]

You judge a manager on results. ole has drastically improved our results from earlier in the season, improved our playing style. Recently he’s struggled as we’ve had games against some of the best in the world.

Recently? Google that word. 7 weeks. 7 losses in 9. Another game, no shots on target.

 

[bleedred]

You didn't say realistic options, plus both those managers were available at times we were looking to appoint in the past five years, but we didn't get them. That's on Ed and the board.

Why are we.gambling on managers like Ole when we could and should have got either of those two?

If we now want a young up coming manager then why not choose one who actually has a defined style of play, experience in champions League and plays young players like Julian Nagelsmann? I'm not necessarily advocating that, but at least that would make more sense than ole.

Yeah, That's right. We should rather invest in a time machine and go back and appoint Pep.

What makes you think Nagelsman is available and do you think he isnt a gamble?

 

[luke511]

Fred and Pogba in the same midfield has worked probably once or twice in the countless times it's been tried. Really don't understand the persistence.

 

[Cheesy]

Obviously not. That was a horrendous performance. But, shit happens. Pep did the same a few years ago.

Yes, in a league season which was remarkably poor for him considering what he had at his disposal. That should hardly be seen as some sort of endorsement or defence of Ole.

 

[Mcking]

It's a difficult run but we shouldn't be losing 7 out of 9. Especially not twice to Wolves and 4-0 to Everton. And by two goals or more to another three sides there.

I agree

 

[Bojan11]

Obviously not. That was a horrendous performance. But, shit happens. Pep did the same a few years ago.

Stop comparing him to Pep.

Pep and Klopp have had success elsewhere with other teams.

 

[Rhyme Animal]

He did the right thing tonight.

And the first half was spot on tactically.

 

[Cheesy]

If he was still the interim manager would anyone have given him the job. Just ask yourself that question.

Yeah - above all else this is the thing I keep coming back to. No one would've wanted him permanently had they known we'd have a spell where we lost 7 out of 9 games.

 

[Di Maria's angel]

This is probably statistically one of the top three performances against City in the league this year you weirdo.

 

[Untied]

Third best team in the league since he has been manager. Does anyone think the squad is better than that?

If not then what the feck has he done wrong

 

[The_Midfielder]

how many sitters do we miss..around 4 against Wolves, a few against Arsenal
We would be top 4 by now .. Bottomline is, we need better players

 

[Greck]

You judge a manager on results. ole has drastically improved our results from earlier in the season, improved our playing style. Recently he’s struggled as we’ve had games against some of the best in the world.

Mate I'll read the rest of your post but help me edit 'racial' to 'tactical' before someone sees it. You quoted too fast

 

[Cheesy]

This is probably statistically one of the top three performances against City in the league this year you weirdo.

They have literally been beaten four times, stop being silly.

 

[TsuWave]

He does because he's in the hot seat - all managers do. I just think the weight of criticism for not keeping the run going and then seeing our players confidence hit rock bottom is bit heavily tilted in his direction. Frankly it's dumb.

Let him actually do some work first (a pre-season at least) and let's see how we look.

If we look the same as this by Xmas, I'll probably be considering him a mistake like some of you have already decided but until then, I think it's nuts to draw many conclusions bar our players are low, low quality. Just fecking watch them.

People think it’s ok to judge him on a small sample of games to give him the job but not to get rid of him? Dude relegated Cardiff, and managed in Norway, those are the reference points, but somehow he’s the man to rebuild United?!

That goal in 99, doesn't buy you unlimited credit. Not amount of waffle like "knows the United way/what the club is about" and being a nice guy can paper over being under qualified and exposed, this is a record losing run.

 

[Wumminator]

Recently? Google that word. 7 weeks. 7 losses in 9. Another game, no shots on target.

We missed an open goal ffs. We had better chances than them.

Why focus on recently at all? Why nine games? Why not fifteen?

You were just complaining that Bristol City did better than us. That’s as good as it gets against City for us atm. We beat them away last year and played worse than that.

 

[bleedred]

It's a difficult run but we shouldn't be losing 7 out of 9. Especially not twice to Wolves and 4-0 to Everton. And by two goals or more to another three sides there.

Hypothetically, how do you envision that run under say Klopp/Pep or any other manager, with this squad, had they taken over in December?

 

[Tom Van Persie]

Set them up well. Goals were a bit soft. Hard to blame Ole

Finally some sense in here.

 

[VP89]

Third best team in the league since he has been manager. Does anyone think the squad is better than that?

If not then what the feck has he done wrong

He had a run of piss league games with the only big game win registered against Spurs IIRC.

I actually am behind Ole but I don't like this logic without context.

 

[Mister_Stubbs]

He did the right thing tonight.

And the first half was spot on tactically.

Shit out of luck then, football is played over 90 minutes.

He didn’t have an answer after we fell behind.

 

[Wumminator]

Stop comparing him to Pep.

Pep and Klopp have had success elsewhere with other teams.

So has Ole

 

[Minimalist]

People think it’s ok to judge him on a small sample of games to give him the job but not to get rid of him? Dude relegated Cardiff, and managed in Norway, those are the reference points, but somehow he’s the man to rebuild United?!

That goal in 99, doesn't buy you unlimited credit. Not amount of waffle like "knows the United way/what the club is about" and being a nice guy can paper over being under qualified and exposed, this is a record losing run.

That 'dude' won us the fecking treble. Managing a relegation candidate means feck all.

 

[Cheesy]

Third best team in the league since he has been manager. Does anyone think the squad is better than that?

If not then what the feck has he done wrong

We've lost 7/9 and we were beaten 4-0 by fecking Everton. It's fairly obvious what's wrong. The sides around us have been in poor form as well so it's hardly some remarkable achievement.

 

[Vadim]

I like Ole. Poch was the obvious choice but he’s happy at Spurs and who can blame him?

We’ll be fine

 

[Wumminator]

They have literally been beaten four times, stop being silly.

Yeah, and I bet we played better than some of those teams did.

 

[Cheesy]

So has Ole

Winning with Molde quite clearly isn't the same as winning the CL or Bundesliga.

 

[MrSingh2002]

We seem to be getting steadily worse. It's bizarre.

Now 527 minutes without a goal from open play. We have conceded 14 since then.

That's a shocking statistic.

 

[Bojan11]

So has Ole

Where?

 

[Kapardin]

You judge a manager on results. ole has drastically improved our results from earlier in the season, improved our playing style. Recently he’s struggled as we’ve had games against some of the best in the world.

Everton and Wolves are among the best in the world?

I get what you are saying though. But the problem is we hired Ole based on overperformance, but this really isn't over performing. Guus Hiddink could get these same results, so why give an unproven manager the job?

 

[Wumminator]

Winning with Molde quite clearly isn't the same as winning the CL or Bundesliga.

I didn’t say it was.

I’m saying he has been successful elsewhere.

He’s been successful in every managerial role... apart from Cardiff.

 

[Cheesy]

Hypothetically, how do you envision that run under say Klopp/Pep or any other manager, with this squad, had they taken over in December?

I'm certain we wouldn't have lost 7/9. And if we had - Klopp and Pep at least have credentials which warrant a lot more faith. There's no evidence Ole's really cut out for this, much as I want him to be.