Wish we'd just bring in Poch now and pay whatever exorbitant penalty Levy dreamt up. Not sure if we can wait until the end of the season tbh, when we've still got a shot at 4th.
Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion
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Not as lazy as assuming you know what’s going on in other people’s heads. I tried, but clearly you don’t give a shit about respectful posting.
We gave that money to Ighalo.
So he gets a free ride until Woodward leaves then? Why? This is essentially "no manager in the world, not even Klopp or Pep would do better under this management" BS presented differently. Woodward or not, he's not up to the job, so I'd say fire him first, then worry about Ed.
If only, really hope we don't miss the boat on Poch. I feel we may.
As bad as Martial is or isn’t, he’s still a way better striker than Ole is a manager, so you are happy to upgrade on him and presumably other players, but somehow you think we shouldn’t upgrade on the manager?
Woodward isn't leaving any time soon regardless of Ole situation so if your reason go keeping Ole is to wait for Woodward getting sacked then we might as well give Ole a 10 years contract.
Ole needs to go. Been saying for a long time and this bloke is still here. Doesn't his house has a mirror? Doesn't he looks at the mirror and say I am not good for his club? No shame??? How your beloved has 35 pts over 25 games? Does he hoestly believe that he will bring the glory? For Ole to be successful, 11 world class players with high football IQ that doesn't need any coaching or any clubs that plans to attack Utd, no sitting back.
Why doesn't he have different strategies and formation for teams like Wolves?
Why doesn't he have different strategies and formation for teams like Wolves?
>makes subs at 88 minutes
I am annoyed at Ole for not being stronger earlier in the season when Pogba & Rashford were pushing themselves to come back from injury much earlier than they should have, there is no way Paul should have played in the game against Rochdale which aggravated his injury and Marcus should definitely have been rested more in some of these Europa league and cup games.
He will clearly get until the end of the season at least but if results and performances don't start picking up when he has his best team available then personally I feel we have a decision to make in regards to his future at the club. My gut feeling is that we will still see the same style of play whoever we sign if Ole stays in charge beyond this summer.
Ideally we would sack Woody (Toy Story) before Ole but I just don't see that happening in a million years because let's not forget he helped those yankee leeches buy the club so his job is safe as houses whilst they are still running this club which is a complete shambles.
Shocking state of affairs that we haven't scored in the last three league games and have created so little this season, also becoming noticeable how we aren't getting enough players in the box meaning that the majority of passes are going sidewards and not forward.
He will clearly get until the end of the season at least but if results and performances don't start picking up when he has his best team available then personally I feel we have a decision to make in regards to his future at the club. My gut feeling is that we will still see the same style of play whoever we sign if Ole stays in charge beyond this summer.
Ideally we would sack Woody (Toy Story) before Ole but I just don't see that happening in a million years because let's not forget he helped those yankee leeches buy the club so his job is safe as houses whilst they are still running this club which is a complete shambles.
Shocking state of affairs that we haven't scored in the last three league games and have created so little this season, also becoming noticeable how we aren't getting enough players in the box meaning that the majority of passes are going sidewards and not forward.
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I think we lose to Chelsea and go 9 points off 4th with only 12 games left he could be sacked. We have only won 9 of 25 games so will probably win 5 more maximum. 4th is gone now in my opinion but will certainly be if we lose at Stamford Bridge.
Ole is so lucky to still be the manager, that much is clear.
Ole is so lucky to still be the manager, that much is clear.
Knowing us we will beat Chelsea and then lose against Watford at home. Would by typical.
Amazing stat and yet people are still willing to back him.
Nothing disrespectful about simply pointing out an outdated and lazy cliche. It’s something a lot of people would say without thinking because they associate it with Utd but it’s no longer applicable.
You’ve gone off on a tangent, no idea or interest in what’s going on in your head. Not sure why you are so over sensitive but that’s something I like to avoid so will ignore in future. Let’s just both hope that one day teams will have to fear us again.
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Chelsea is the team we have done best against under Ole apart from maybe Norwich. Thus this is a game we should win.
Although it is Rashford who won us both games this season against them.
I can see us struggle to score again. Set pieces could be a problem for us, but De Gea has looked better recently though.
1-1 or 0-0 again?
This. He'll fluke a win and the "Ole is a decent manager" narrative will rear its ugly head again.
I don't know whether to laugh or cry.
He's making a fool of himself. He says that a while back and then makes 2 subs at the 88th minute.
Disagree. Poch is a known admirer of Bruno Fernandes, Spurs almost signed him last summer. Signing Fernandes was a smart move.
I‘m sure Pochettino is as good as a done deal and will be Utd manager in the summer, if not before.
Such a tactical genius, that Ole. Elects to play Bruno Fernandes, an attacking midfielder renowned for his goals and assists, in the Paul Scholes retirement role! Loved watching him play "quarterback" for large parts of the second half while we were chasing a goal at home.
I'll stick by the manager till the end, but i scratch my head at times on Ole decisions making. Why are we making subs at the 88th minute and expect any impact from the sub players? you can blame the higher ups all you want, but surely with the team he has, he can beat the teams on bottom half of the table.
I get that he has brought in decent players, but thats the only good thing he has done. We haven't got any style other then counter attacking, even though at times we misplace passes from each other 5 yards out.
i think Ole only thinks that Football is about man management & only abit of tactical management. yeah, i get that you want the player to be happy and all, but you also need to coach the players to find spaces, so it would be easier for them to find the back of the net.
I get that he has brought in decent players, but thats the only good thing he has done. We haven't got any style other then counter attacking, even though at times we misplace passes from each other 5 yards out.
i think Ole only thinks that Football is about man management & only abit of tactical management. yeah, i get that you want the player to be happy and all, but you also need to coach the players to find spaces, so it would be easier for them to find the back of the net.
I'm already beyond blaming Ole. It's really not his fault winning a lottery.
The bigger issue is that we have 4 defensive boring managers in 7 years at the world biggest club famous for attacking football. Enough said.
It's unbelievable that this club has been so badly mismanaged. And we have been wasting our precious life and time to watch this boring football weekly for 7 years.
We need to get an attacking manager to start our reform/rebuild now!
The bigger issue is that we have 4 defensive boring managers in 7 years at the world biggest club famous for attacking football. Enough said.
It's unbelievable that this club has been so badly mismanaged. And we have been wasting our precious life and time to watch this boring football weekly for 7 years.
We need to get an attacking manager to start our reform/rebuild now!
This guy was a firm Ole supporter but has now lost faith after the Wolves game.
Id like to make a few points. There's this strange notion that no manager would succeed under these current conditions regarding senior management and ownership. Uhm, i think that's ridiculous. All these managers have had in recent years is a huge amount of funds and somehow made a mess of things.
Now don't get me wrong. I want Woodward gone but not because of the conditions that he has created for managers to work in but more for his inability to hire the right man. Also I just feel he has a lack of knowledge about the game otherwise none of this mess would be happening on his watch. No shot caller at a major club would sign off on some of the deals that he has or the wages if he understood something about the game.
For example Perez wouldn't pay the likes of Martial and Rashford 250k+ a week. That just sounds foolish.
I see many are saying our squad is too bad to do anything with, well last I checked that was part of the managers responsibilities? He's the one that didn't get rid of the Lingards and Pereira's of this world. He's the one that wanted James. He's the one that sold Lukaku and figured Martial was enough. Didn't he do all of that because he had belief in the kids or something along those lines?
He has sanctioned the likes of Mata getting new contracts. He allowed Smalling to go on loan. He's kept the likes of Rojo and Jones around. These are his decisions folks. No one is dictating to him. All he has to do is work with a budget around 150 - 200 million a year.
Here we don't have a DOF. The squad is the managers responsibility. Obviously we work within a budget but it's a rather large one.
The man must go. He's failed us. Let's get rid before what's left of the decent players also continue to fail and demand to go and we hear stories of how they couldn't wait to leave.
Now don't get me wrong. I want Woodward gone but not because of the conditions that he has created for managers to work in but more for his inability to hire the right man. Also I just feel he has a lack of knowledge about the game otherwise none of this mess would be happening on his watch. No shot caller at a major club would sign off on some of the deals that he has or the wages if he understood something about the game.
For example Perez wouldn't pay the likes of Martial and Rashford 250k+ a week. That just sounds foolish.
I see many are saying our squad is too bad to do anything with, well last I checked that was part of the managers responsibilities? He's the one that didn't get rid of the Lingards and Pereira's of this world. He's the one that wanted James. He's the one that sold Lukaku and figured Martial was enough. Didn't he do all of that because he had belief in the kids or something along those lines?
He has sanctioned the likes of Mata getting new contracts. He allowed Smalling to go on loan. He's kept the likes of Rojo and Jones around. These are his decisions folks. No one is dictating to him. All he has to do is work with a budget around 150 - 200 million a year.
Here we don't have a DOF. The squad is the managers responsibility. Obviously we work within a budget but it's a rather large one.
The man must go. He's failed us. Let's get rid before what's left of the decent players also continue to fail and demand to go and we hear stories of how they couldn't wait to leave.
If he's really serious, then surely he should get new coach who can actually coach the basic fundamentals.
Been here for what? more than a year now and did bs nothing. High chance he don't see any problems with it thus he's not the right man.
Once coaching issue is solved, there's the issue of his ridiculous bad decision makings...
Tl/DR - Ole is not improving as a manager i.e. not learning from the job. Learning and adapting quickly are important for a "rookie manager" with poor CV.
Been here for what? more than a year now and did bs nothing. High chance he don't see any problems with it thus he's not the right man.
Once coaching issue is solved, there's the issue of his ridiculous bad decision makings...
Tl/DR - Ole is not improving as a manager i.e. not learning from the job. Learning and adapting quickly are important for a "rookie manager" with poor CV.
After more than a year here. Ole style of play:
1. Defensive counter attacking football vs team that attack us.
2. Boring sideway passing football for team that come to defend and concede easy goals when opponent counter attck us.
We spent hundreds of millions on players and have one of the highest wages in world football to play the above style.
1. Defensive counter attacking football vs team that attack us.
2. Boring sideway passing football for team that come to defend and concede easy goals when opponent counter attck us.
We spent hundreds of millions on players and have one of the highest wages in world football to play the above style.
Well it's dandy that we "backed" Ole in the transfer market like everybody clamoured for, but it's obvious to nearly the entire world that he's out of his depth at Manchester United. Sure, Ed will give him a cookie once in awhile, this time in Bruno, but the longer we carry this on, the more time we are wasting and the further we will be from where we need to be. Under Ole we are not heading towards the promise land. We're just meandering around a 20 years circle fidgeting and posturing.
Get in a proper manager. And give him money to put together a proper team rather than entrusting someone who is "trying his hand" at managing a top club with such a huge task.
Get in a proper manager. And give him money to put together a proper team rather than entrusting someone who is "trying his hand" at managing a top club with such a huge task.
No but the 200 million he's spent isn't enough. He needs 500 with this lot. Or something.
Imagine watching United Stand.
Absolute worst of the fanbase besides the older chap.
Absolute worst of the fanbase besides the older chap.
Precisely.
Get someone in who is A) known to be a modern tactician B) believes in attacking football. It's about time we focus on what the fans want to see and also modernise tactically. I'd consider the up and coming German managers who are making headlines there.
How many anybody who watches us actually think we are well managed and coached, is beyond me. It's truly Moyes level management. 7 years and back to the gold standard he set.
That excuse shouldn't fly at all.
He had all 3 of them fit and available at the end of last season, in addition to another goalscorer in Lukaku plus a mid in Herrera. You know what happened? We went on worst run of form this club has been for 57 years, when we closed out the season with 2 wins in 11. Back then the excuse we heard were:
A) Too many 'toxic' personalities in the dressing room who need to be booted out to reset the culture
B) Players are too tired to sustain 'Oles high intensity football' over the course of season due to being coached by Mourinho
C) Pre-season will fix all of this as it will allow to tactically embed his ideas and prepare the players to play 'high intensity football' for the whole season
Well, toxicity has been cleared, pre-season went and gone and nothing has changed. We started this season with our worst ever start in 33 years and look set to end it in an even worse fashion.
When will people wake up and smell the coffee? No amount of money will make Ole a good manager, all it will allow him to have few more players who can win games on basis of individual brilliance and hence earn him a little longer rope. We'll continue to yo-yo around like this with no gameplan or pattern of play under him.
Those who are latching onto injury crisis need to look at what happened in previous season, even with a fully fit and better squad he couldn't do much. Even in current season, those injuries are not down to mis-fortune. You can squarely lay blame on Ole for mismanagement of those players which has resulted in extended lay-offs. For each of Pogba, McTominay and Rashford, their injuries were aggravated due to being over-played when they weren't completely fit.
I find it staggering how we still have a sizeable contingent of our fanbase who is ready to handwave all of this over blind sentimentality for Ole, a manager who has made every possible feck up a manager could.
Plus he was the reason these injuries got aggravated anyway. He rushed Pogba against Rochdale, let Scott play for 40 minutes on his injury before being subbed off and sacrificed Rashford to win a cup game fully known he's struggling from several knocks.
So using injuries to excuse him is just nonsense for me.
If he had managed the injuries well and hadn't rushed players for stupid games, who knows what could have happened.
Agreed, just hope he will be sack soon. Poch appointed.
Is the consensus now that Ole is a defensive manager? I thought it was more that he's been unable to implement his attacking ideas at this level and so the team looks clueless when trying to attack. Unlike Mourinho who really was a defensive manager.
Fantastic post!
But soon u will get response like:
1) no other manager is a sure bet to do better than Ole. Hence, stick to Ole boring football.
2) we have tried the best managers in the world so we should stick to Molde Manager for a change.
3) Ole needs 6 transfer window to get his own players
4) he just need time to stamp his playing style on the team. Even though nobody know what's his style except counter attacking.
5) he signed 3 good players and get rid of dead woods. Even though this make our squad unbalance and thin in attacking department.
6) he smiles a lots, nice bloke and has united DNA. He gets the club.
7) you know nothing about football if you can't see Ole is making progress
8) he is the right man to lead the rebuild because he has not done it previously.. Eh..
Would be senseless to sack him now considering he has not lost the dressing room (yet anyway) so there wont be a new manager bounce and this is not a very good situation to come into.
If we make the CL next year either by top 4 or by EL, i'd say we've done well. I know a lot of people disagree with me on this, but i think Ole ripping up the squad was spot on and exactly what we needed for the clubs long term health, hopefully more will follow in the coming window
If we make the CL next year either by top 4 or by EL, i'd say we've done well. I know a lot of people disagree with me on this, but i think Ole ripping up the squad was spot on and exactly what we needed for the clubs long term health, hopefully more will follow in the coming window
Damning indictment.
Him or the next manager probably needs at least 6-8 windows. Ed and co can only buy one quality player in each window. Pogba, Rashford, Maguire, De Gea and Bruno are the only players we have that are good enough if we want to be a top team again.
I agree, but people have no idea what patients is these days. fecking greedy world we live in.
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