Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion

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This season's race could well turn into a similar one to what we saw in the 16/17 season where we have to prioritise the Europa league route into the champions league over qualifying through finishing in the top 4. I wonder if the board would still decide to keep Ole if we qualified through that route again. Yes I realise this isn't his own team but I worry that signing players won't see any improvement in his style of play and general in game management.

I can understand why he wanted to clear out what he saw as the bad influences in this squad such as Lukaku & Sanchez, however he either needs to bring in more experienced coaches at this level to help him or the alternative is we put in place a deal to get a manager in the summer who is capable of coaching these players better than he has shown in these last 14 months.

His post match comments about Wolves not scoring against us in the last three meetings also suggest that he is happy with just drawing games which is in stark contrast to his attacking and winning at all costs mindset when he first arrived at the club.
 
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Regulus Arcturus Black said:
Lots. SAF or Pep would pull a John O'Shea, Rafael or Philipp Lahm out of their arse and make it work.

Top managers find solutions, and Ole's had 25 PL games now to find a better one that "hmmm, shall we give Andreas another go?". I personally would have been trying shit loads on the training pitch to find out who can do a DM job for me.
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I did notice that you used Lahm, Rafael and O'Shea but didn't use our current squad players, why not go for Gomes?

Why not take one of our players and fill in the holes in midfield it's like missing the floor having a piss or forgetting to WIPE your arse, please note that in my personal opinion the forward three was the problem...
 
He is a woeful manager.

No other Prem team would swap their manager for Ole.

The worst part is how some fans(the very same fans who ridiculed Mourinho, Moyes and LVG) are now okay with this man dropping standards worse than any of those 3 and getting results worse than any of those 3.

I'm convinced some of you are either wumming or are just desperately hopeful that OGS is the right man even if we continue our rapid decline.
 
croadyman said:
This season's race could well turn into a similar one to what we saw in the 16/17 season where we have to prioritise the Europa league route into the champions league over qualifying through finishing in the top 4. I wonder if the board would still decide to keep Ole if we qualified through that route again. Yes I realise this isn't his own team but I worry that signing players won't see any improvement in his style of play and general in game management.
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The likelihood of Ole being able to go on a winning run to with a cup are pretty slim.
 
Eriku said:
You don’t think teams are more up for it against us than against Wolves or Sheffield United? Our name isn’t torn down that quickly.

Nice to include the line about laughing at excuse-making. Why do views always have to be met by ridicule?
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Because it’s ridiculous, just spouting cliches as if they are fact. How can anyone believe this is the peak and no one could do better.

Wolves and Burnley didn’t play like it was a cup final, there is no aura or fear when teams play us now. We’ve played 25 league games and dropped points in 16 of them, it’s a disappointment to lose.
 
He is just not a smart and proactive manager. I remember a quote from last year where he said he persisted with something for 15-20 games and it didnt work. It was fecking hilarious. It was after the good initial run where we were absolutely horrific until the end of the season. I wonder how long until he realises playing Lingard is pointless in 49 out of 50 games. He fails with the most basic of tasks, no wonder that he cant coach the more difficult stuff, like a functioning attack.
 
Chronic lack of intelligence from the players to the coaches to Ole and to the board.
 
I'm sure that at the end of the season he'll get the sack and Poch will be our new manager. No way that there's anyone watching us play every week thinking Ole's the right man for us.
 
Roboc7 said:
Because it’s ridiculous, just spouting cliches as if they are fact. How can anyone believe this is the peak and no one could do better.

Wolves and Burnley didn’t play like it was a cup final, there is no aura or fear when teams play us now. We’ve played 25 league games and dropped points in 16 of them, it’s a disappointment to lose.
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Fear might be gone but we’re still among the bigger scalps in the league. And who the feck said this is the peak? I don’t want Ole out now but I am anything but certain about whether I’d want him to continue past this season.

Why bring so many assumptions to the table? Why not just engage with my post (if you’re going to quote me and reply) rather than assume shit?
 
Eriku said:
The likes of Sheffield also don’t have other teams dreaming of making a name for themselves by taking their scalp. Teams don’t play like it’s a cup final against them.
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Teams stopped thinking of United as a scalp a long time ago.

We set up to be difficult to break down at home against Wolves and Leicester ffs :lol:
 
el3mel said:
It was 100% Ole's choice to depend on Martial as main forward this season. Sold Lukaku, wanted Mandzukic as a bench option and gave Martial the number 9 shirt back.
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To be fair half the fanbase including some pundits thought he would shine as our nr.9. I was hoping they were right but hand to heart, I never saw the things other saw in Martial. Immense talent in some areas but his movement, work-rate and consistency always made me question his ability to ever become a world-class striker.

Some would say that it's not fair to compare him to those kind of players but if we intend to compete with the best, we need one of the best strikers in the world, Martial hasn't shown anything in over 2 years to suggest he's getting there. I'm not going to hyperbole and make him a shit player like some do on here but he's far from the class we need in the striker position. Martial is at a age when a majority of strikers hit their prime, in his case he has regressed since his debut, we have to start accepting that he might not develop into the player we all hoped he would.
 
TheGame said:
Would love for us to play 4-4-2 against the so called midtable to weaker teams to provide more attacking intent although with Bruno there now, that won't happen.
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4-4-2 nowdays is more a defensive approach. Simone is notoriously known for using 4-4-2 and his team is one of the best defensive teams in the world, and Zidane also frequently uses it with an excellent defensive record. The days of fast wingers and two strikers are long gone.

If you want to attack weaker teams, you need to put at least 5 attackers in the oppositions final third.
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Bruno Fernandes 18/19: 33 goals
Bruno Fernandes 19/20: 15 goals (so far)
Manchester United: crying out for an attacking midfielder to score goals and create chances.

Solution? Sign him then play him deep. fecking idiocy.
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I think Ole played him deep because we had no other option.
 
Winter break, now is the time to get Pochettino. He probably wouldn’t want to take over mid season but it would at least give us a chance of rescuing something from this absolutely dire season.

Ole is finished at this level, the fans know it, the media know it and the truth is Ole knows it.
 
My opinion won't change. I don't think Ole is good enough or the man to turn us around. But I want Woodward and all his 'team' of advisors gone before Ole. Ideally the Glazers too.Ole won't last long under a competent board anyway.

My big worry with sacking him and getting Poch is everyone falling into same traps again that we are back and this one (Poch) will be it. It won't. This club is going nowhere until there's major changes above the Manager.

Get Woodward out first and then Ole won't be long after. Don't give that twat another get out of jail card.
 
DevilRed said:
Keep him. He just needs to get the full team back and I bet results like this would turn into wins.

The transfer targets we have gone after are good. Very good in fact. Missing out on Haaland is a blow, but unavoidable I suppose with all that release clause nonsense.

Getting Bruno in was a good choice. He looks the part already. We just need to play him higher up the pitch where he is more effective. Hopefully that will be the case once Matic or Mctominay/Pogba are back.
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Maguire, AWB and James looked the part when they first arrived too.

Then they were properly exposed to the rank mediocrity of our manager and coaching team and have slowly slid in terms of performances. Maguire is picking up again which is good. I'm telling you NOW - by the end of the season Fernandes will seem like a waste of money because Ole is going to regress him and probably play him deep like he did with Pogba because he's a fecking coward of a manager.
 
No amount of Bruno Fernandeses can outmask the fact that our coaching staff, with Ole at the helm is indeed - crap.

We are a shell of a team.

The team is fine, mind you, not completely balanced or filled with crap players, but still, not as bad as we look out there.

And we look bad. My God do we look bad.

One word - manager. New one please.

Thanks
 
hobbers said:
Teams stopped thinking of United as a scalp a long time ago.

We set up to be difficult to break down at home against Wolves and Leicester ffs :lol:
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What we do and how others perceive us are two different things. Anyway, you’re free to believe that teams view beating us the same way they view beating Newcastle, I won’t claim absolute knowledge. I don’t believe that to be the case, though.
 
Nou_Camp99 said:
My opinion won't change. I don't think Ole is good enough or the man to turn us around. But I want Woodward and all his 'team' of advisors gone before Ole. Ideally the Glazers too.Ole won't last long under a competent board anyway.

My big worry with sacking him and getting Poch is everyone falling into same traps again that we are back and this one (Poch) will be it. It won't. This club is going nowhere until there's major changes above the Manager.
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This.

Ralf Rangnick

Paul Mitchell

Marco Rose
 
DickDastardly said:
No amount of Bruno Fernandeses can outmask the fact that our coaching staff, with Ole at the helm is indeed - crap.

We are a shell of a team.

The team is fine, mind you, not completely balanced or filled with crap players, but still, not as bad as we look out there.

And we look bad. My God do we look bad.

One word - manager. New one please.

Thanks
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Nope. Woodward out first and all his team of 'experts' and then get rid of Ole.

Don't save that twat again by sacking Ole. Get him out and then replace Ole.
 
Alabaster Codify7 said:
Maguire, AWB and James looked the part when they first arrived too.

Then they were properly exposed to the rank mediocrity of our manager and coaching team and have slowly slid in terms of performances. Maguire is picking up again which is good. I'm telling you NOW - by the end of the season Fernandes will seem like a waste of money because Ole is going to regress him and probably play him deep like he did with Pogba because he's a fecking coward of a manager.
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To be fair, you could say that players started to stagnate under LVG and Mourinho too. Its not just OGS.

I think we are on the right track. Its not fair to judge Ole when he has so many key players out due to injuries. We can't even afford one injury let alone 3 or 4 to our top players.

I hope with Pogba and McT back then Bruno will play the 10. Surely Ole has that planned. He even said as much that we needed goals from midfield. Today we chalk down as an outlier because Matic was out and that meant we only had ONE functioning central midfielder in Fred. Bruno was forced to play deeper. It was either that or Andreas..
 
Eriku said:
Fear might be gone but we’re still among the bigger scalps in the league. And who the feck said this is the peak? I don’t want Ole out now but I am anything but certain about whether I’d want him to continue past this season.

Why bring so many assumptions to the table? Why not just engage with my post (if you’re going to quote me and reply) rather than assume shit?
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You assumed Poch could not possibly do better and that only reason Sheff Utd are above us because teams play like a cup final against us, and you don’t like assumptions?.

Do you still think Fergie is in charge? That teams fear us? That the last seven years of teams beating us for first time in decades and consistently taken points off us hasn’t had any impact?. You don’t have to play well to take points off us, was the Wolves keeper man of the match? Will their supporters be wondering how on earth they salvaged a point?.

It’s just cliches, it’s a cup final, it’s nonsense. Playing Utd now is an opportunity to get points, we nothing special. Even our own manager
is happy to get a point at home to Wolves today.
 
Denis79 said:
To be fair half the fanbase including some pundits thought he would shine as our nr.9. I was hoping they were right but hand to heart, I never saw the things other saw in Martial. Immense talent in some areas but his movement, work-rate and consistency always made me question his ability to ever become a world-class striker.

Some would say that it's not fair to compare him to those kind of players but if we intend to compete with the best, we need one of the best strikers in the world, Martial hasn't shown anything in over 2 years to suggest he's getting there. I'm not going to hyperbole and make him a shit player like some do on here but he's far from the class we need in the striker position. Martial is at a age when a majority of strikers hit their prime, in his case he has regressed since his debut, we have to start accepting that he might not develop into the player we all hoped he would.
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Totally agree. Never saw it with him either and had loads of discussions with those totally convinced his natural position is as a striker. I just don't get what they saw in him to think he would be great there long term.
 
Would have played Jones in DM so that Bruno can play in his best position. You don't play your best players as a stop gap and have shite players in his actual position. Ffs Ole.
 
Roboc7 said:
You assumed Poch could not possibly do better and that only reason Sheff Utd are above us because teams play like a cup final against us, and you don’t like assumptions?.

Do you still think Fergie is in charge? That’s teams fear us? That the last seven years of teams beating us for first time in decades and consistently taken points off us hasn’t had any impact?. You don’t have to play well to take points off us, was the Wolves manager man of the match? Will their supporters be wondering how on earth they salvaged a point?.

It’s just cliches, it’s a cup final, it’s nonsense. Playing Utd now is an opportunity to get points, we nothing special. Even our own manager
is happy to get a point at hometown Wolves today.
anymore.
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I did not assume Poch couldn’t do better, I’m saying if people judge Ole as being unsuited for the job because we’re underperforming compared to Sheffield United, then I wonder why they don’t apply the same standard to Poch, who did worse this season with a squad that somehow was good enough to reach a CL final.

And me thinking our name holds more weight than most is MY view, I’m not engaging in any mind-reading or trying to attribute views to people which they haven’t expressed. Do you really not see the difference?

And no, I don’t think we’re under Fergie, or that Wolves are counting their lucky stars. For the record. I’m saying there’s a residual aura of greatness around United, even if it’s fading fast.

Trying really hard to keep a civil tone, but it’s hard when you keep throwing the word cliche around and stuff. How about just respecting that some people hold different views to yours?
 
I’m willing to give him the benefit of the doubt persisting with some player (maybe the younger players aren’t ready yet) but his lack of squad rotation is beyond poor. Half of these players look like they’re on their knees but he still plays them week in week out. Give them a rest from time to time
 
thejtrain said:
It won't matter because of how much he would have made at United when he gets the sack, despite having done a rubbish job. Talk about stealing a living.
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This kind of talk shouldn’t fly. He isn’t stealing a living, he’d break his own legs if it meant he’d be a success here. He’s put more into United than we can ever imagine, it’s not his fault he’s out of his depth.
 
Eriku said:
I did not assume Poch couldn’t do better, I’m saying if people judge Ole as being unsuited for the job because we’re underperforming compared to Sheffield United, then I wonder why they don’t apply the same standard to Poch, who did worse this season with a squad that somehow was good enough to reach a CL final.

And me thinking our name holds more weight than most is MY view, I’m not engaging in any mind-reading or trying to attribute views to people which they haven’t expressed. Do you really not see the difference?

And no, I don’t think we’re under Fergie, or that Wolves are counting their lucky stars. For the record. I’m saying there’s a residual aura of greatness around United, even if it’s fading fast.

Trying really hard to keep a civil tone, but it’s hard when you keep throwing the word cliche around and stuff. How about just respecting that some people hold different views to yours?
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But it is a cliche, teams get points against us because they play like it’s a cup final. It’s based on the idea of Utd, what we used
to be not the reality, not what is actually in the pitch each week.

We’ve just lost to Burnley and drawn with Wolves, not scored a goal, hardly created any chances, neither team had to play out of their skin or had to fight for their lives to do it.
 
Wilt said:
Winter break, now is the time to get Pochettino. He probably wouldn’t want to take over mid season but it would at least give us a chance of rescuing something from this absolutely dire season.

Ole is finished at this level, the fans know it, the media know it and the truth is Ole knows it.
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That's clearly not going to happen. They wouldn't have given Ole money this month if they wasn't prepared to stick with him for the foreseeable future.
 
Roboc7 said:
But it is a cliche, teams get points against us because they play like it’s a cup final. It’s based on the idea of Utd, what we used
to be not the reality, not what is actually in the pitch each week.

We’ve just lost to Burnley and drawn with Wolves, not scored a goal, hardly created any chances, neither team had to play out of their skin or have to fight for their lives to do it.
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No, it’s not based on the idea of what we used to be. I told you in clear text what I meant by it, and you still try to claim you know differently. I just don’t agree that teams look at us as if we’re any other mid-table, and I think it still means more to beat us than to beat Newcastle, or whatever. Disagree all you like, but please, for the love of feck, stop trying to tell me why I hold the views that I do.
 
We should be able to put out a fully fit first choice 11 for 3 consecutive games before the season is over. That strongest 11 in my opinion would be

De Gea

Wan bissaka
Lindelof (though i prefer tuanzebe)
Maguire
Williams

Fred
Fernandes (maybe mctominay depending how bruno settles)
Pogba

Greenwood
Rashford
Martial

This has the makings of a good team, and should cause enough problems in midfield and attack to limit the slightly suspect defence.

If Ole gets this team out and the performances/results don't improve, then its time to go. He has been very, very unfortunate with injuries.
 
Roboc7 said:
It’s really amusing how many people have convinced themselves that the managerial position is almost irrelevant. Cracks me up reading comments like no one could do better, what do they think a managers do?.

How narrow minded do you have to believe that there is no possibility we could find a manager who would have got more points than Sheffield United this season.
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It's quite a funny paradox that has popped up among United fans. On one hand, so many have convinced themselves that a manager has pretty much no influence on what happens on the field, and the only thing that matters is spending more money on other players. On the other hand, the managerial post at United is revered more than at any other club, which should follow that the job the manager then does, is very important, arguably the most important job at the club.

So which is it? Is the manager irrelevant or does he have the most influence on what goes on?
 
Eriku said:
No, it’s not based on the idea of what we used to be. I told you in clear text what I meant by it, and you still try to claim you know differently. I just don’t agree that teams look at us as if we’re any other mid-table, and I think it still means more to beat us than to beat Newcastle, or whatever. Disagree all you like, but please, for the love of feck, stop trying to tell me why I hold the views that I do.
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I’m not telling you why, you just posted a cliche, teams play like it’s a cup final. That used to be true, it isn’t now. We’ve drawn and lost plenty of games this season to teams who didn’t play like a cup final. They just had a plan, knew our limitations and it worked.
 
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